Secular music; can anyone disagree? (poll)

[allonesound]

here is my view of this

no matter what someone else says, most of the time people will ask the question "can you be saived and listen to worldly music" ither way it will be a straight yes or a straight no. THERE IS NO IN BETWEEN!!! !  so for the people who say its okay from what im hearing you are justifying yourself and getting with other people to condone you in your wrong by using "God is the creator of all, we are created in Gods image ect" but thats just bogus. yes God is the creator of all but the devil has his two cents too. yall are taking that straight out of context. 

then for the other side of things for the people who say it is wrong to listen to secular music is being harped on for saying so. if you are saived you will not even have the desire to do the things of the world. the bible says "come out from among them and be ye seperated and touch not the uncleen things" (im at work so ill get the scriptures for you). The thread should be reasons why you cant be saived and listen to worldly music.... you cant serve two masters its either God or the devil. yea i already know a lot of people will disagree with what im saying but if yall read yalls bible and stop taking things out of context and trying to justify yourselves in your wrong doing then this would not be such a big deal !

Here is my major questions for those of you who think its okay to listen to secular music?

1. WHAT MAKES YOU WANT TO LISTEN TO THIS MUSIC/WHAT IS THE POINT OF IT?

2. WHAT IS WRONG WITH JUST LISTNING TO CHRISTIAN MUSIC?

3. IS THE MUSIC YOU LISTENING TO GLORIFYING GOD IN ANY WAY?

4. WHAT IN THE WORLD IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A "BAD" SECULAR SONG AND A "GOOD" SECULAR SONG?

---- the way i grew up (may be old school) but however sin is sin no matter what it is if you die in the act and have not repented where will you go?  ??? ??? think about it 

[Joshorgan]

Good Post Allonesound I agree with you

The post was so good that I had to come back and agree with you

Thanks for summing all of this up

[RobertCF]

I'm thinking you might have misinterpreted what I said.  By saying that God created music, I didn't mean He created every song you hear.  I'm talking about the whole concept of music.  Music, as an 'entity', is a part of the image of God.  However, when Adam sinned, that meant that we inherited the dead, sinful nature.  So, anything we create separate from God is going to have that 'taint' to it.  I was saying that music has a stronger power than a lot of other things (more than Human Secularists want to acknowledge) because it has a particularly spiritual component to it---by design.  When it is filled with carnal or even evil things, the power that it has is tremendous.  It furthers Satan's influence.

I did specifically state that what you put into you the most is what's going to be coming out of you---out of the abundance of the heart....

However, on the whole "good secular vs bad secular" I was saying that each person is different, at different places in their walk and spiritual maturity in Christ.  The ability to make proper discernment and guard against things that aren't of God is much more lacking in 'baby Christians' than it is in more mature ones.  It doesn't mean it's any less important to be careful what you put in you, but that you're able to see it for what it is better.  I firmly believe there are songs most consider secular that actually speak good spiritually edifying messages, even though the writer probably didn't realize it at the time.  In other words, when you listen to the words you may hear--with secular ears--words of a love between a man and a woman (which, in and of itself is not bad, since we certainly should celebrate the ordained joining of a man and a woman)...but when you listen to the same song with spiritual ears the very same words could be a song of devotion or acknowledgement of the love we have for Christ and that He has for us.  Again, as it was said early, the words are key there.

As far as instrumental music like Jazz---which I listen to---I don't see that there's a component of influence that is particularly not Godly---unless you are finding yourself influenced to think a certain way while listening to it.  Personally, I don't find my thoughts doing anything other than enjoying that God has graced the Jazz artists I listen to with amazing talent and thanking Him for that, and the fact that He saw fit to give me some small ability as well.

There's nothing wrong with listening to 'just Christian music'.  That makes up 95% of what I listen to.  But I truly don't find any of the 'secular' music that I do listen to in any way dishonoring God.  In other words, if my Pastor walked in on me listening to it, I wouldn't be scrambling to turn it off.  I am very discerning.  Not everyone is mature enough to do that, I agree.

I do believe there are some 'purists' who think if a song doesn't specifically praise God or Jesus it's not acceptable music.  I think that certainly robs you of enjoying the often very divine inspiration of some of the worlds greatest instrumental composers, both historical and present day.  I mean, we could get into a whole lot larger debate over contemporary Christian music vs traditional hymns.  There are certainly those folks out there who think all CCM is of the devil.  In fact, there are those who say if a song doesn't specifically acknowledge Jesus Christ, it's a bad song---citing that 'generic God songs' could be part of any religion, including Islam, etc.

What defines a good secular vs a bad secular?  Well, I guess a bad one would be pretty obvious because inappropriate language would be used, it would promote impure behavior or thoughts, promote desires for wordly things above spiritual things.  A good one might not say one word about God, but might express appropriate affection between a man and a woman (my wife and I sing love songs to each other all the time, even for church events....I believe it models proper relationships for others---certainly to our youth), or it might express a view about the world we live in (using appropriate language, of course) that needs addressing......sort of a "song that will preach". 

However, the bottom line is, does what you're listening to strengthen your relationship with Christ or weaken it?  While there are general answers to that question that will be true for almost any Christian, when you get down to individual songs, for each person that answer will be different.  And, ultimately, answerable to God.

[timroy]

here is my view of this

no matter what someone else says, most of the time people will ask the question "can you be saived and listen to worldly music" ither way it will be a straight yes or a straight no. THERE IS NO IN BETWEEN!!! !  so for the people who say its okay from what im hearing you are justifying yourself and getting with other people to condone you in your wrong by using "God is the creator of all, we are created in Gods image ect" but thats just bogus. yes God is the creator of all but the devil has his two cents too. yall are taking that straight out of context. 

then for the other side of things for the people who say it is wrong to listen to secular music is being harped on for saying so. if you are saived you will not even have the desire to do the things of the world. the bible says "come out from among them and be ye seperated and touch not the uncleen things" (im at work so ill get the scriptures for you). The thread should be reasons why you cant be saived and listen to worldly music.... you cant serve two masters its either God or the devil. yea i already know a lot of people will disagree with what im saying but if yall read yalls bible and stop taking things out of context and trying to justify yourselves in your wrong doing then this would not be such a big deal !

Here is my major questions for those of you who think its okay to listen to secular music?

1. WHAT MAKES YOU WANT TO LISTEN TO THIS MUSIC/WHAT IS THE POINT OF IT? Chord structure, lyrical content at times, the same things that make me want to listen to gospel music. The groove.

2. WHAT IS WRONG WITH JUST LISTNING TO CHRISTIAN MUSIC? Absolutely nothing.

3. IS THE MUSIC YOU LISTENING TO GLORIFYING GOD IN ANY WAY? Yes, absolutely.

4. WHAT IN THE WORLD IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A "BAD" SECULAR SONG AND A "GOOD" SECULAR SONG? probably lyrical content. I know for certain it has nothing to do with the beat or melody. Some secular melodies are better than gospel and vice versa. It all depends on the producer. Does Jermain Dupri and Usher sometimes make great music yes. Does Kurt Carr and Kirk Franklin yes. My point is I can't answer for them. Can Usher go to heaven and Kirk Franklin end up in hell? Absolutely, but that's God's decision to make and not yours or mine. The music ain't saving nobody period. Belief, confession, and repentance is! God bless you. Supprt whomever you chose. I can't spend your money for you.

---- the way i grew up (may be old school) but however sin is sin no matter what it is if you die in the act and have not repented where will you go?  ??? ??? think about it 

[timroy]

I filled in the blanks for you in my last post. No hard feelings. I think Pharrell Williams is an excellent producer, so is Kanya West, and Dr. Dre. I don't like 50 cents whatsoever. That "In da Club" track is jumpin'. O.k. Jamal Hartwell didn't make that one. So what? Why cry? Appreciate art for art. Don't confuse salvation and art. The truth is Jesus saves. You can sang it if you want to. Jesus didn't walk around with aShure microphone and Oasis keyboard to spread the message did he? If you ask the Church of Christ they say instruments shouldn't be involved in worshipp altogether. Rapper's know the truth. I hope they'll come around. If they don't then they're ****. Some may already be saved. That's not our decision to make. Let God be right and every man be a liar. Before you stick your foot in your mouth about something without all the facts why don't you go and pray first? I like some secular music (not all). I like some gospel music (not all.) So it's a matter of preference for us both. I know who my savior is. Michelle Williams believe in God but she'll loose her breath for a baby boy and she wants a soldier to cater to. That's secular music right? They are undeniably a fine group of singers correct? So are the clark sisters. Buy 'em both. Support black art.

[clcmusicchic]

I really think that we as christians should be careful what we listen to because you don't want to speak or invite any unwanted spirits in. I heard that that stuff does happen!!!

[Scales27]

here is my view of this

no matter what someone else says, most of the time people will ask the question "can you be saived and listen to worldly music" ither way it will be a straight yes or a straight no. THERE IS NO IN BETWEEN!!! !  so for the people who say its okay from what im hearing you are justifying yourself and getting with other people to condone you in your wrong by using "God is the creator of all, we are created in Gods image ect" but thats just bogus. yes God is the creator of all but the devil has his two cents too. yall are taking that straight out of context. 

then for the other side of things for the people who say it is wrong to listen to secular music is being harped on for saying so. if you are saived you will not even have the desire to do the things of the world. the bible says "come out from among them and be ye seperated and touch not the uncleen things" (im at work so ill get the scriptures for you). The thread should be reasons why you cant be saived and listen to worldly music.... you cant serve two masters its either God or the devil. yea i already know a lot of people will disagree with what im saying but if yall read yalls bible and stop taking things out of context and trying to justify yourselves in your wrong doing then this would not be such a big deal !

Here is my major questions for those of you who think its okay to listen to secular music?

1. WHAT MAKES YOU WANT TO LISTEN TO THIS MUSIC/WHAT IS THE POINT OF IT?

2. WHAT IS WRONG WITH JUST LISTNING TO CHRISTIAN MUSIC?

3. IS THE MUSIC YOU LISTENING TO GLORIFYING GOD IN ANY WAY?

4. WHAT IN THE WORLD IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A "BAD" SECULAR SONG AND A "GOOD" SECULAR SONG?

---- the way i grew up (may be old school) but however sin is sin no matter what it is if you die in the act and have not repented where will you go?  ??? ??? think about it 

This one is just for you allforone
       First of all, let me start by saying that you are using a serious logical fallacy called either/or. You make it appear that it has to be one thing or the other. Let me tell you what I mean. You first said that most of the time people will ask the question "can you be saived and listen to worldly music" ither way it will be a straight yes or a straight no. THERE IS NO IN BETWEEN!!! !  using that logic if you have even considered my previous arguments(which you probably haven't), you imply that if you listen to anything secular, you might as well listen to it all, and because of that you are sinning (am I right?). If I am, then let me point out that if you watch the Fresh Prince of Bel Air, you don't consider that to be the same as watching Real Sex or one of those other shows. Neither of them glorify GOD. But are you are sinning by watching real sex. am I right? so there is not necessarily a straight yes or a straight no. The in between lies in what you listen to.
      I will start a whole other thread on this soon, but THIS WILL TRIP YOU OUT!!! Once you are saved your always saved. Salvation can't be lost. I'm not going to argue that right now, save your rebutals to that statement for the thread, if 4-his-glory doesn't think that it's too controversial. That is the only reason why I say that there is an in between. My answer is a straight yes.
      The BIBLE says come out from among them...you know the rest. When it says touch not the unclean things, it means the unclean things. But is everything just clean or dirty? Some things are nuetral. Either/or is very unintelligent to use (for all I know you may be a genious, but I mean it doesn't make an intelligent argument). There is not just GOOD or BAD. There are things that are nuetral.
      You also used circular reasoning. You primarily just restated your thesis in different ways without giving sufficient evidence. You basically just said that we interpret the BIBLE wrong and that no matter what we say, listening to secular music is wrong. You did give a bit of evidence that I addressed earlier, and that was it. When I challenged you, I was seriously challenging you to go back and review my posts. YOU CANNOT PROVE ME WRONG IF YOU DO NOT ADDRESS MY AGRGUMENTS. (I was making that sentence stand out, not yelling, for the record.).
      Just to address your ending question, even if you died while fornicating, if you were saved, you would still go to heaven. Once again though, I'll discuss that later. If you want to, we can PM our debate about that if 4-his-glory (or a moderator) doesn't approve of such a strong, controversial topic (Can we lose our salvation).
      Now to address your questions

1.    I listen to any kind of music that I listen to because I like it. I'm eclectic, but I don't listen to every song from every genre. ex. I'll listen to "The mystery of iniquity" by Lauryn Hill but not P.I.M.P by 50 cent. I'll listen to "Love" by Musiq, but not "Naked"  by Marques Houston.
      I mainly listen to gospel and R&B. I listen to gospel because i like praising GOD in song on on an instrument. i also like singing in church (where I praise GOD in song and intrument). I listen to certain R&B songs because they sound nice, have beautiful instrumentals, and because I like I like the style. The point to most R&B songs that I listen to are songs about love, or songs that tell stories about love.

2.    Nothing is wrong with listening to Christain music. To each his own. I never said that you should listen to other music, I just said that if you use proper discretion, you can.

3.    Outside of gospel, the hip-hop, R&B, jazz, etc. very seldom glorifies GOD. GOD never said that everything you do has to glorify him in some way. If that was the case, then even watching the news would be a sin of omission (not doing something). As long as it does not advocate sin in any way, then it is not sin. It just isn't GODly either. THERE IS AN IN BETWEEN. Just get your nails painted and you, too, will be enjoying nuetral activity.

4.    The differences between a "good" secular song and a "bad" secular song is what the words say. If it says "I put a hole in your chest for !@#$ing wit me," then  it is obviously bad. If it says "I know I can, be what I wanna be," then it is a good secular song. THERE IS AN IN BETWEEN. In between songs are songs that flirt without sinful references, songs that tell stories that don't really help anyone but doesn't have any sinful refernces (like most reggae songs), and pretty much any wedding song that isn't gospel.

      If you've even read this far, I hope you'll take my arguments, and my critique of your arguments seriously. When I was criticizing your arguments, I was not criticizing you, only your thinking. I took everything in your argument that I could find and debated against it. TRY IT. You never really addressed anything I said, and that makes your arguments weak. I know you didn't have the time to post full scriptures, so I won't give you a hard time on that. If you are going to argue a point though, make sure it's something you've seen for yourself, and not just something that someone told you. It makes YOU make so much more sense. It's what GOD says that counts. Not what I say, your mother, your pastor, or what you say. If GOD didn't say it directly then it's debateable but someone has to be right. (That's gonna be me ).

[Mysteryman]

I would like to make a few comments. For those who say all secular music is bad you may as well turn your tv off because it is filled with secular music from commercials to public broadcasting. I do not listen to RnB because of the content of most of it. When I get married thats a different story I do plan on having a few songs for me and my wife.  The bible does say that those that are married care for the things of the world and how they may please each other. Think about this even Jesus went to a wedding.

For those of us who are listening to raunchy secular music and saying God does not have a problem with it we are only lying to ourselves.

Here is one thing I thought of that would be nice. If Christian artists would may secular music that is clean for people to enjoy. It doesnt have to include gospel lyrics just long as it is clean. THis would provide a market for those musicians and singers who want to make a carreer out of music. That will solve the problem of paying musicians and singers. Churches can have musicians play for free because they are doing what they love in a clean way. Im sure that churches would even have a problem with this. Now thats a catch 22 for sure.

As far as the church music we can keep it church music and avoid the influences of the world. What I mean by influences of the world is like when you see a gospel artist dropping it or spanking something.  The bible says we are in the world but not of the world and talks about using it and not abusing it.

I listen to jazz, classical and ragtime midis online more so for the style of music to understand the theory behind it. I avoid listening to certain music with certain lyrics. Because the lyrics are implanted in you through the music. But for the most part I listen to gospel music. I decided I want to give my gift to God. So I play in church. I still struggle with the idea of getting paid because of the church environment Im in. Although I would not mind making a carreer out of music doing clean stuff like commerical themes and educational stuff or even being in an orchestra.

One thing I think about sometimes is that Nehemiah was the kings cup bearer if you dont know what he did I will tell you later.  I think sometimes we make stuff to deep and then there are those to that feel they can do anything and God is pleased.

[Kizzzy]

Hello all I am new to this site, but I wanted to respond to the secular musiic question.    There is something important that I haven't really seen anyone mention, which is the spirit behind the music.  Alot of songs out there have good beats, and I have seen Christian artist take these songs and simply change the words.  The Bible says you can't take the unclean and make it clean, a song made that does not glorify God can not be turned around and used for chrisitan songs, because usually those who know the secular beats and rhythms subconsiously respond to that.  The spiritual part of music is missing with alot of artists today.  Especially Gospel, it is all soul and you can not find a depth, they are shallow.  To have music that is birthed from a place of intimacy with God is the most powerful type of song.  We are so busy worrying about the beats and what it sounds like, it is almost an insult to God.  It's like we're telling Him, well only the world can come up with good songs, you can't give me anything new and creative.   I agree with alot that was said, we are in the world and not of it, but then that would mean that we have a higher standard of living, we walk and live according to what God says all though it is contrary to what everyone else thinks.   So as far as being a witness your standards as an artists, and your music being birthed from an intimate relationship with God is more than enough to send a message to the world.

As far as secular music.  THere is a difference I think with secular and worldly.  secular has to do with songs that have good words and have nothing wrong with them but don't glorify God.  Worldly songs have messages that go against what the Bible says.  Wordly songs are definitely songs that you shouldn't listen to.  But I listen to Jazz, opera, classical, so here's the catrch.  You have three parts to your being body, soul (mind will and emotions) and spirit.  Many songs just get your body going, so the more songs that you listen to that are geared toward your body will put you in the mind set to listen to your body.  Soulish music appeals to your emotions, and when the music you listen to is predominately that, then you begin to make emotional decisions instead of decisions based on God's Word.  Your spirit is what you should be feeding the majority of the time, so spiritual songs would appeal to your spirit and should make up the majority of what you listen to.  Not that the other two types of songs are bad, but you need to be in a place where the spiritual part of you dominates your life, and sometimes to reinforce that the music you choose to listen to affects you one way or the otehr.

So music is a complicated subject there is so much more to it than we can imagine, remember Lucifer was the angel of music in Heaven, he knows how to manipulate it to serve his purpose, and we need to remember that music was created originally to serve God'spurpose and be a praise unto HIm.  I am sorry for such a long response, but I figure this will help with the debate part, and I guess its better to explain well than not at all.   

[Joshorgan]

This one is just for you allforone
       First of all, let me start by saying that you are using a serious logical fallacy called either/or. You make it appear that it has to be one thing or the other. Let me tell you what I mean. You first said that most of the time people will ask the question "can you be saived and listen to worldly music" ither way it will be a straight yes or a straight no. THERE IS NO IN BETWEEN!!! !  using that logic if you have even considered my previous arguments(which you probably haven't), you imply that if you listen to anything secular, you might as well listen to it all, and because of that you are sinning (am I right?). If I am, then let me point out that if you watch the Fresh Prince of Bel Air, you don't consider that to be the same as watching Real Sex or one of those other shows. Neither of them glorify GOD. But are you are sinning by watching real sex. am I right? so there is not necessarily a straight yes or a straight no. The in between lies in what you listen to.
      I will start a whole other thread on this soon, but THIS WILL TRIP YOU OUT!!! Once you are saved your always saved. Salvation can't be lost. I'm not going to argue that right now, save your rebutals to that statement for the thread, if 4-his-glory doesn't think that it's too controversial. That is the only reason why I say that there is an in between. My answer is a straight yes.
      The BIBLE says come out from among them...you know the rest. When it says touch not the unclean things, it means the unclean things. But is everything just clean or dirty? Some things are nuetral. Either/or is very unintelligent to use (for all I know you may be a genious, but I mean it doesn't make an intelligent argument). There is not just GOOD or BAD. There are things that are nuetral.
      You also used circular reasoning. You primarily just restated your thesis in different ways without giving sufficient evidence. You basically just said that we interpret the BIBLE wrong and that no matter what we say, listening to secular music is wrong. You did give a bit of evidence that I addressed earlier, and that was it. When I challenged you, I was seriously challenging you to go back and review my posts. YOU CANNOT PROVE ME WRONG IF YOU DO NOT ADDRESS MY AGRGUMENTS. (I was making that sentence stand out, not yelling, for the record.).
      Just to address your ending question, even if you died while fornicating, if you were saved, you would still go to heaven. Once again though, I'll discuss that later. If you want to, we can PM our debate about that if 4-his-glory (or a moderator) doesn't approve of such a strong, controversial topic (Can we lose our salvation).
      Now to address your questions

1.    I listen to any kind of music that I listen to because I like it. I'm eclectic, but I don't listen to every song from every genre. ex. I'll listen to "The mystery of iniquity" by Lauryn Hill but not P.I.M.P by 50 cent. I'll listen to "Love" by Musiq, but not "Naked"  by Marques Houston.
      I mainly listen to gospel and R&B. I listen to gospel because i like praising GOD in song on on an instrument. i also like singing in church (where I praise GOD in song and intrument). I listen to certain R&B songs because they sound nice, have beautiful instrumentals, and because I like I like the style. The point to most R&B songs that I listen to are songs about love, or songs that tell stories about love.

2.    Nothing is wrong with listening to Christain music. To each his own. I never said that you should listen to other music, I just said that if you use proper discretion, you can.

3.    Outside of gospel, the hip-hop, R&B, jazz, etc. very seldom glorifies GOD. GOD never said that everything you do has to glorify him in some way. If that was the case, then even watching the news would be a sin of omission (not doing something). As long as it does not advocate sin in any way, then it is not sin. It just isn't GODly either. THERE IS AN IN BETWEEN. Just get your nails painted and you, too, will be enjoying nuetral activity.

4.    The differences between a "good" secular song and a "bad" secular song is what the words say. If it says "I put a hole in your chest for !@#$ing wit me," then  it is obviously bad. If it says "I know I can, be what I wanna be," then it is a good secular song. THERE IS AN IN BETWEEN. In between songs are songs that flirt without sinful references, songs that tell stories that don't really help anyone but doesn't have any sinful refernces (like most reggae songs), and pretty much any wedding song that isn't gospel.

      If you've even read this far, I hope you'll take my arguments, and my critique of your arguments seriously. When I was criticizing your arguments, I was not criticizing you, only your thinking. I took everything in your argument that I could find and debated against it. TRY IT. You never really addressed anything I said, and that makes your arguments weak. I know you didn't have the time to post full scriptures, so I won't give you a hard time on that. If you are going to argue a point though, make sure it's something you've seen for yourself, and not just something that someone told you. It makes YOU make so much more sense. It's what GOD says that counts. Not what I say, your mother, your pastor, or what you say. If GOD didn't say it directly then it's debateable but someone has to be right. (That's gonna be me ).

Scales27 all secular music isn't bad and I agree with you. There is secular music out there that isn't bad. but come on. You mean to tell me the only type of secular music you listen to is the clean type. These days it is getting very hard to hear good secular music. It is just not all that popular. You actually open up the cover and read the lyrics.? Like the song Love by Mystique. I have never heard of that song but children our age shouldn't even be thinking about love. I know the comeback everybody comes up with. If you can't listen to secular music then you should cut the TV off or stop going to restaurants that play secular music etc. You can't control all of the music you  hear  in certain locations but some music you have the control over. This is what I'm talking about.
Music is more than the lyrics too. It's about the artist. How clean is the person that made the song. Are they saved? I read earlier where someone said that we should go to the clubs to help convert unsaved christians.
We are suppose to be the example. Our light should shine so bright that they come flocking to us and asking WHAT CAN I DO TO BE SAVED? 

[Joshorgan]

I know the comeback Scales27. You are going to say there are some unsaved artists that make gospel albums. That's different because they are progressing towards salvation and not away from it.
Like I said before All secular albums aren't bad. Say somebody makes a song about food. There really is nothing wrong with that because it doesn't say anything out of control. Like you mentioned about nick cannon's song.I have never heard that song but it sounds like that song has a good message to it. I'll even comeback and correct myself. As long as an artist is stating a good godly message there is nothing wrong with it maybe it is there way of saying I want to be saved.On the other hand if they are going to write a song with a positive message why can't they do that all the time? Why write a song about avoiding abortion and then write the next song about sex. Scales27 can you state your opinion on the mixed message song writers out there?

[sjonathan02]

Ladies and Gentlemen:


You have been going on and on about this topic for a minute, but you haven't brought anything new to the discussion. Here's the bottom line as you have stated:


1. Instrumental music is instrumental music. An Ebmaj chord is the same no matter what genre of music you're discussing, correct?
2. What makes the difference is the lyrics. any lyric that doesn't promote God is some way, shape or form, is dangerous for the Kingdom of God and His believers. Is that fair.

someone mentioned watching t.v. and they had a great point. If you're trying to tell me that I can't listen to the opening theme song of Sanford and Son, The Cosby Show, A Different World, etc. I'll tell you that you're crazy and you need some help.

If you try to tell me that as a Christian, you are mature enough in your walk to listen to gangsta rap and the like, I say "Go for it" and I'll let God be your judge; I'm just not going to do it.


I pray that this has helped someone. Besides, you should be practicing your music and not just listening to other people's stuff. 

Be Blessed

[Joshorgan]

Yea i Agree man

This topic is useless because everybody's view is different.

God is the supreme judge and we'll let him rule but just to be safe I'll just stay away from it.

BE BLESSED EVERYONE

[allonesound]

Scales 27 Yes i have read your comments and no i do not agree with about 95% of what you said but i do agree with it is save to im each other on this topic

and i do think it is smart to agree to disagree because everyone has their own opinions about different things. but opinions are one thing and truth is truth so i

say we can have this discusion im way! ill get with ya when i have some free time. but as far as this topic goes for anyone else who has comments i think ither way

we will all just have to agree to disagree and talk about something else thats the smart thing to do k?!?

No hard feelings God bless !

Now for the musicians on the board somebody put me in Ab so i can do an old santified

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[Scales27]

Ladies and Gentlemen:


You have been going on and on about this topic for a minute, but you haven't brought anything new to the discussion. Here's the bottom line as you have stated:

      I agree with pretty much everything you said on this post. OUR arguments are beginning to get very repetitive. There are some things on both sides that you didn't mention, but that was a pretty good summary. I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm aware that I posted some things that I've posted before; the reasons are this, I like writing (typing or with a pen), I try to bring back old points to see if and what someone will respond to it with, and pretty much beause I occasionally forget that I posted some things (sorry for using pretty agnosiom).

[timroy]

I really think that we as christians should be careful what we listen to because you don't want to speak or invite any unwanted spirits in. I heard that that stuff does happen!!!

Who told you that? How can Jesus live inside of you and someone else too?

[timroy]

Listen to the sound that you like. Believe on Jesus Christ.

[keyz28]

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[allonesound]

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[Joshorgan]

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