Topic: See Ya (Read 3724 times)

maplecustom · « **on:** June 13, 2005, 01:58:52 AM »

Hey good luck with everything everyone. I'm about to start practicing zen buddhism since I'm not really feeling this. Peace.

freddyfusion · « **Reply #1 on:** June 13, 2005, 07:17:11 AM »

:?: :?: m.d. if you are still there: what caused this seemingly sudden decision, and how long have you been envolved with churches and GOD and gospel music.
holla at me

Israelite · « **Reply #2 on:** June 13, 2005, 05:20:20 PM »

Whatever, he wants attention. Why would u come on a Christian site and post an announcement about u wanting to practice zen buddism? JESUS IS LORD!!!!!!!!!

christoid7 · « **Reply #3 on:** June 13, 2005, 06:37:55 PM »

I'd rather give him attention than take the risk of thinking nothing about someone saying they don't desire God.

BBoy · « **Reply #4 on:** June 13, 2005, 08:39:28 PM »

I urge you to reconsider this statement, if you are indeed sincere about practicing zen buddhism.

You say you are not "feeling" this. What, exactly, do you mean? If you were sincere, I implore you . . . please post a reply.

You see, it doesn't matter whether you, I or anyone else is "feeling this" or not. GOD is GOD, like another poster said JESUS IS LORD, and whether or not anyone "feels it" or not will not change that fact.

Should GOD change Himself, or the Message of Salvation, so that everyone can "feel it"? If HE did, then HE wouldn't be GOD then, would HE? I mean, really . . . who needs a god that feels intimidated by people, so that he has to do what people say?

Now GOD loved you enough to give His Only Begotten SON fo you, to pay a dabt that you couldn't pay. Think about that for a while and see if you "feel" it.

Whether or not you were sincere, you have our attention. If you did this just for attention, then know this . . .

You didn't have to do that. You had GOD's attention and His full love from before you were born.

But GOD won't share you, or anyone else, with buddha. GOD will be GOD alone, so we implore you, I entreat and beg you, to turn back to HIM.

No matter what anyone "feels" who practices sen buddhism, what good is it if you go to hell at the end of your life? Buddha can't save you . . . . follow Buddha and how ever you "feel" you will wind up in hell right along with him. Buddha couldn't save himself; what can he do for you?

If you want to talk more about this, contact any of the moderators or post again. But don't stop seeking the True and Living GOD because you aren't "feeling" this. GOD loves you, and so do we on the LGM site.

Be Blessed

TightestGroove · « **Reply #5 on:** June 13, 2005, 09:30:50 PM »

THAT'S WACK :? , I AGREE WITH ISRAELITE, WHY WOULD YOU COME ON A GOSPEL/CHRISTIAN SITE AND SAY YOUR CONVERTING TO BUDDHISM, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. WHO EVER YOU ARE, YOU NEED SOME SERIOUS PRAYER 8O ! THE BIBLE DOES CLEARLY SAY:

"EVERY KNEE SHALL BOW AND EVERY TONGUE SHALL CONFESS THAT JESUS IS LORD"

christoid7 · « **Reply #6 on:** June 13, 2005, 10:26:11 PM »

Quote from: TightestGroove

WHO EVER YOU ARE, YOU NEED SOME SERIOUS PRAYER 8O !

Man, don't we all.

I resolve to act, in all respects, both speaking and doing, as if nobody had been so disgusting as me, and as if I had committed the same sins, or had the same weaknesses or failings as others; and that I will let the knowledge of their failings promote nothing but shame in myself, and show me that I need to confess my own sins and misery to God. ~ Jonathan Edwards

maplecustom · « **Reply #7 on:** June 13, 2005, 10:29:25 PM »

okay, first, I apologize for the rashness of my statement. When I said "feeling" it was a figure of speech. "Feel" was the best word I could come up with to describe the desire to find my relationship with god. I was raised in a strong catholic family since I was born, and the past few years I've been really struggling with my faith and searching for my spirituality. If any one can offer anything that would give clarity in this search, please do. Something other than ,"it's healthy to question...or else you're blindly folllowing something and then you don't really truly believe it." I've heard that many times, and I agree, but it's not very influential.

Thank you for those of you who replied with helpful remarks.

I just can't seem to come to a place where I can fully give my self to Christianity, accepting Jesus as my personal savior. Many of my friends and the musicians I have close brotherly bonds with do not know this about me, and I've been longing to be open about my struggles but until now have not been able to for fear of rejection.

christoid7 · « **Reply #8 on:** June 14, 2005, 12:02:19 AM »

Hey man

I hate to recommend a book, but I think you should read through this a bit. "Seeing and Savoring Jesus Christ."

http://www.desiringgodstore.org/store/index.cgi?cmd=view_item&parent=&id=464

It sounds like you haven't connected with Christ much, and this will give you a lot to sit back and look at regarding Him. Check out the link and read a bit. It's $4 bucks. Sit back, look at Him, and ask yourself if He's credible. If He's what you're hunger's invented for. If He's someone you want to be in love with. We're made to thirst when we're not drinking - what you're feeling is right and should be encouraged, not rejected. Thirst is made to drink, not to dehydrate. If you weren't feeling thirsty after not connecting it'd be like going to the Grand Canyon and pondering yourself instead of the glory.

sugabear · « **Reply #9 on:** June 14, 2005, 12:13:44 AM »

The one thing that we will not do is reject you. You are our brother and we love you and, though some of us may not know you personally, we care about your well being. I know that their are many "cliche" responses that can be given to your recent situation, but, ultimately, it's up to you. Of course, as a christian myself I would instruct you never to leave the wonderful covering of Christ, but the decision is yours. You say you grew up Catholic and, even still, you have yet to find spirituality. Catholic or for that matter Jewish, or Protestant will not give you spirituality. The only way that you can attain spirituality is through the Holy Spirit. You said that you have yet to do this and, until you do, you will always be in a state of seeking. It's not that hard my brother. The bible says that if we confess with our mouths the Lord and believe in our heart that God has raised him than we shall be saved (Romans 10:9). It's that simple. Spirituality then comes by relentlessly seeking guidance from God, studying His Word, and spending quality time in His presence. Trust me, it works. The one thing that I can say about religions outside of Christianity is that are continuing to seek what Christ has already offered. For instance, Buddhist spend their life seeking enlightenment. Christ, through the Holy Spirit, has already offered the world spiritual enlightenment. Non-Christian Jews are in constant anticipation of a Saviour. Christ has already came as the Saviour of the world and a Triumphant King. I implore you my brother, don't go and seek what already lies in front of you. Ask God to forgive you of your sin and ask Him to come into your heart and pour out His Spirit upon you. Ask Him to reveal Himself to you. My brother, your answers are found in Him. Don't let "feeling" or sensationalism deter you from what is the Truth. Christ is the only answer for this world today. Ask Him to come into your life and He will give you True Spirituality. We love you and will keep you in our prayers. God bless you brother.

sugabear · « **Reply #10 on:** June 14, 2005, 12:21:44 AM »

For those of you who responded to this brother in love I thank you. I mean no offense by this, but some of you thought that he wasn't serious because he made this declaration on a Christian website. I dare to say that the reason he did this is because deep down inside he knew that "we" had a solution for this problem and wanted us to offer him council. We as Christians must always and I mean always respond to people in love (I Corinthians 13). For it is Christ's desire that no one should perish but come to the knowledge of Him. Let's just remember that we as Christian Drummers are Christians before we're drummers and our primary job is to seek the lost and win souls for Christ. I love you all and let's keep it about Christ.

LadyWiz · « **Reply #11 on:** June 14, 2005, 01:21:54 AM »

Quote from: sugabear

For those of you who responded to this brother in love I thank you. I mean no offense by this, but some of you thought that he wasn't serious because he made this declaration on a Christian website. I dare to say that the reason he did this is because deep down inside he knew that "we" had a solution for this problem and wanted us to offer him council. We as Christians must always and I mean always respond to people in love (I Corinthians 13). For it is Christ's desire that no one should perish but come to the knowledge of Him. Let's just remember that we as Christian Drummers are Christians before we're drummers and our primary job is to seek the lost and win souls for Christ. I love you all and let's keep it about Christ.

VERY well said, Sugabear! We must always show love.

BBoy · « **Reply #12 on:** June 14, 2005, 07:27:05 AM »

Maplecustom, what do you think is hindering you from that relationship with GOD that you want?

I mean . . . are you struggling to believe, or have you seen hypocrites and that makes you wonder if this is real, or have you experienced something hurtful and that makes you wonder . . . . etc.

Why do you think it is a struggle for you now? Can you pin-point it? Please reply. Thanks :wink:

maplecustom · « **Reply #13 on:** June 14, 2005, 10:32:26 AM »

Yeah, I've seen many hipocrites who say they're living a christian life but they're not at all, but that isn't really what's making me feel this way.

I'm struggling because there are thousands of religions throughout the world, and the followers of each one believe their's is the one true faith. I have a hard time believing that any one of these faiths is the ultimate. Instead, it seems to me that there is, in fact, a divine god, and we humans are incapable of knowing in what form He exists. It seems to me that the reason that there are so many faiths is that each person is trying to know god in his or her own way, and that matters more than inconsiquential differences between faiths. As long as following one's religion makes one live a better, more loving, understanding, and accepting life, that's what matters.

Now, to this you would say that this is somewhat selfish, because it matters less about us, and more about worshiping and thanking jesus for dying for us on the cross. However, I feel even more thankful to God for everything He's given me when I lower myself before Him, not seeking to define him by insufficient human means. I am eternally grateful, and I will live my life loving and caring for others. This to me seems more humble than following specific doctrine that was created by human beings, who know nothing compared to God.

sugabear · « **Reply #14 on:** June 14, 2005, 11:35:47 AM »

This doesn't seem selfish at all my brother. I can truly understand where you're coming from. The one thing I can say is that it's not enough to live a better, more loving, understanding, and accepting life. You'll never come to the revelation of Christ or God by deeds and behaviors alone (for all have sinned and fallen short of his word). The bible says in John 3 that exept a man be born again of water and of spirit he cannot enter or, retrospectively, understand the kingdom of God. You must be born again of water and spirit. Loving everyone is not enough because, honestly, our love is full of flaws and Christ love is perfect. Can you honestly say that you would love someone who killed your family in cold blood. That would be quite a task for anyone. That's why Christ's Spirit is necessary because with his spirit God sees pasts man's inconsistencies and imperfections. Christ is our only advocate in attaining peace with God; nothing else can do it alone. Giving to the poor, loving your neighbor or your enemy, helping out people. Yes all of these things are important, but if not done through the Spirit it is in vain. I ask you brother to read John chapter 3 and if you have any questions continue to post them here. We will do our best to help you. Much love.

BBoy · « **Reply #15 on:** June 14, 2005, 12:10:19 PM »

And to add on, Maplecustom, we also have to realize that there is a very real devil. The devil hates human beings because they are made in GOD's image.

Now, the agenda of satan is to destroy people. He doesn't care how he does it. If the devil can destroy people by making them beleive that they are fine as long as they are as loving as they can be and spend their lives helping others . . . . well, the devil is fine with that!

Remember when the devil showed Jesus all the kingdoms of the world, and said Jesus could have them if only Jesus would turn His back on GOD? Few people realize what the devil was offering Jesus.

Listen carefully, please. Satan knew how much Jesus cared about people, and satan was saying, "As long as you don't serve the One True GOD, I'll step out of Your way and allow you to end war, hunger and poverty. I'll let you be a great guy and help lots of people . . . . just don't serve GOD!"

Now, many religious leaders have fallen for that. No one can doubt that they have done great things to help the helpless and hungry. However, without The One True GOD behind their efforts, their solutions were only temporary and eventually corrupted by men! And what does it profit a man to gain the whole world, whatever "gaining the world" means to him . . . . money, "happiness", or even living to help others and succeeding in those efforts . . . . and end it all by going to hell?

Here is a better solution . . . serve the True and Living GOD, and do noble those things by His Power, and then go to heaven for all eternity!

What do you think? Please post.

maplecustom · « **Reply #16 on:** June 14, 2005, 07:46:52 PM »

Thanks guys, I'll read that passage and reflect and pray about those things you've said and reply.

LadyWiz · « **Reply #17 on:** June 14, 2005, 07:48:02 PM »

Quote from: maplecustom

Thanks guys, I'll read that passage and reflect and pray about those things you've said and reply.

I'll be praying for you maplecustom.

JoyCH · « **Reply #18 on:** June 14, 2005, 07:51:35 PM »

Quote from: maplecustom

okay, first, I apologize for the rashness of my statement. When I said "feeling" it was a figure of speech. "Feel" was the best word I could come up with to describe the desire to find my relationship with god. I was raised in a strong catholic family since I was born, and the past few years I've been really struggling with my faith and searching for my spirituality. If any one can offer anything that would give clarity in this search, please do. Something other than ,"it's healthy to question...or else you're blindly folllowing something and then you don't really truly believe it." I've heard that many times, and I agree, but it's not very influential.

Thank you for those of you who replied with helpful remarks.

I just can't seem to come to a place where I can fully give my self to Christianity, accepting Jesus as my personal savior. Many of my friends and the musicians I have close brotherly bonds with do not know this about me, and I've been longing to be open about my struggles but until now have not been able to for fear of rejection.

Maplecustom;

God made us in His image and for His pleasure, this is the reason why we seek spiritual things. We are actually seeking God. Man made up these other religions and the devil uses them to distract us from God. The hardest part of this walk is not serving God, its getting delivered from Church folks and putting our faith in (Christian) people. And God didn't tell us to do that. He said, "I will keep you in perfect peace, if you keep your mind stayed on Me." Stop watching church folks and what they do. The bible says work out your own salvation. If its this easy for you to make a statement to convert to a religion that going to send you straight to Hell, then you need to examine yourself. Where are you in God? How can something so minut sway you from a loving God who didn't do anything to you? Get grounded in God's word, read it every day. Pray, in your own way to God, talk to Him and tell Him how you feel.

If you really want to fall in love with God, just think about Him all the time. You know like that first girl you met and you got her schedule down to a tea and everytime you saw the person you were clean and dressed up with your big smile. You wanted to impress - you get the picture. :wink: Impress God. Read his word, pray, talk to Him. You will get an experience of a life time. Write us back and let us know how u are doing.

Joy

BBoy · « **Reply #19 on:** June 14, 2005, 08:38:13 PM »

We are glad to hear that you are going to read and reflect on these Scriptures. Also, since you are seeking that relationship with GOD, do as JoyCH suggested and just open your heart to GOD. This is what real prayer is . . . not flowery words, not rehearsed sayings . . . just talking with GOD.

Jesus did something for you and me that beither buddha nor anyone else could ever do. Jesus rent the barrier down between man and GOD, a barrier that was symbolized by a heavy curtain.

When Jesus did that, that means you can go to GOD with anything because GOD cares about everything that you do. That is what the torn curtain meant.

Tell GOD everything / anything you wish, and know we are praying for you and we are concerned.

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