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« on: August 21, 2005, 07:15:05 PM »
hello, someone help
when making background tracks, should the background vocals be below or above the lead voice and what should the background vocals key be in?
could someone give an example.

i have the TC Helicon vocal software in my keyboard, i can make background tracks with music, create 4 part harmony, just not clear on how to do this right. thanks.

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« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2005, 08:53:09 PM »
When they first came out with back tracks I thought that would end the careers of church musicians.  However it didn't put us out of business.  I remember when drum machines were introduced, and I was sure that automation would put drummers out of business, but I was wrong again.  There will always be a need for live instrument playing with churches and church choirs.

Obviously the background should be mixed at a lower volume than the lead vocal.  Every pitched instrument should be in the same key also.  That is just common sense.

Deemusic use common sense.  Read the manual, and experiment with the equipment.  It's your money that you spent to buy the softwear.  Take the time to learn how to use it.

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« Reply #2 on: August 22, 2005, 08:39:07 PM »
He's Right!

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« Reply #3 on: August 23, 2005, 07:36:48 AM »
YEAH MAN I'M AGREEIN' WITH THE BOTH OF THEM. THE LEVELS OF A MIX SHOULD BE IN (how can i put it) "TIERS". FOR EXAMPLE, THINK OF AN HALL OF ARENA. THE LEAD VOCALS SHOULD BE IN THE BALCONY. THE BGV'S SHOULD BE SOME WHAT IN BETWEEN THE BALCONY AND THE MAIN FLOOR. THE INSTRUMETNS SHOULD BE ON THE MAIN FLOOR. AND ALL OF THE EFFECTS (audience,dj scratchs,etc.) SHOULD BE IN THE ORCHESTRA PIT. AND JUST GO FROM THERE AS FAR AS FINE TUNING AND MIXING GOES. ONCE YOU GRASP THE CONCEPT OF IT, IT'S FARLY EASY.


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Re: background vocal tracks
« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2005, 05:46:27 PM »
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hello, someone help
when making background tracks, should the background vocals be below or above the lead voice and what should the background vocals key be in?
could someone give an example.

i have the TC Helicon vocal software in my keyboard, i can make background tracks with music, create 4 part harmony, just not clear on how to do this right. thanks.


I AM PRAYING THAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT NOTES AND NOT VOLUME!

HARMONY CAN BE ABOVE OF BELOW THE LEAD VOCAL.
IF THE LEAD IS A SOPRANO THEN MOST OF THE HARMONY WILL BE NOTES THAT ARE BELOW...

IF THE VOCALIST IS A MALE THEN SOME OF THE HARMONIES WILL BE ABOVE.

FOR HARMONY NOTES I WOULD START WITH 3RDS 5THS AND 7THS...IF YOU LIKE A JAZZY CLOSE SOUND USE 2NDS....


IN THE KEY OF C YOUR HARMONY MIGHT START ON E FOR THE 3RD...G FOR THE 5TH AND B OR Bb FOR THE 7TH

MAK THE E ABOVE THE ROOT NOTE AND THE G BELOW THE ROOT (TENOR)

THE 7TH ABOVE THE ROOT TO OFFSET THE 3RD.

MIX IT UP AND EXPERIMENT...

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« Reply #5 on: August 24, 2005, 12:13:09 PM »
thanks to all of the advice, i will experiment. thanks, i am talking about vocals.

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« Reply #6 on: August 27, 2005, 05:14:26 PM »
Sorry I misunderstood the question.

Deemusic you are not talking about volume or amplitude of parts.

You are talking about placement of pitches.

This is an area that I have some difficulty with.  I have asked many people in this community for their methods ot teaching vocal harmony parts, and have never really gotten a straight answer.

The best way I know how to find choir parts is by first knowing how to sing the melody. I can find an interval below the melody for part two, or I can find an interval above the melody for part two.  I sing in parallel with the melody. Like if the melody pitch goes up the harmony goes up, and vice-versa.  Once two parts are established, part three can go above or below part two.  But it should be parallel.

Gospel music is not polyphonic counterpoint with voices moving in contrary motion.  Sometimes you can use oblique motion for effect.  This is where a voice or voices stay at a given pitch and another voice or voices move up or down.

Regardless I never have two different tonalities going at the same time.

I must say, though I have heard some contemporary tunes recently that sound like the band is in one key and the voices are in another.  This troubles me because many people who sing in choirs have trouble matching their voice pitch to the fixed pitches of an instrument as it is.

Some people who mean well and want to be a part of a church choir, simply are tone deaf.  One church where I played briefly had an older man who had a hearing aid, and simply could not match his voice pitch to an instrument.  In fact he couldn't sing a clear melody by himself.  His rhythm was good, but the up and down of his pitches was very inaccurate.

Summary: Background voices should be in the same key as the lead vocal. In my opinion the background voice parts should be in a similar register as the lead vocal.  You want tight harmony in gospel music. You don't want large distance from the lead vocal in the accompanyment of background voices.

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