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« on: December 16, 2005, 07:35:52 PM »
SAY HELLO TO MY NEW SNARE....HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....PEARL MASTERS MHX 14X6.5 4PLY AFRICAN MAHOGANY SNARE WITH MAPLE REINFORCEMENT RINGS....

OH WOW....WHAT A CHRISTMAS PRESENT. My wife suprised me with this as my Christmas present.

Here is the story why this is so special...I have been wanting this snare for quite some time, as all of you know...but thanks to the Reference Series kit, the waiting line for this snare from Pearl is 8 months!!! Well, the Lord knows I dont have much patience.

So I was really condsidering going to another snare...BUT.....

MY WIFE FOUND IT ON EBAY!!!!! WOOOOHOOOO...THANK YOU LORD.

She picked it up for $200!!!!

I couldnt be happier.

OK all you REMO cats....I need help until I get EVANS on this bad boy...What kind of sound should I try to be going for with Coated Ambassador Batter and Ambassador Snare side? I really am unfamiliar with REMO heads. What do these compare to on the EVANS side???

and Sabian, how do I approach tuning on this guy to make it do what it do? When I switch to Evans on it, what do i go for? Genera with a hazy 200?

God Bless.

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« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2005, 01:08:50 AM »
Man Congratulations!

Just tune it and play it right now. You need to get use to it and find it's best sound and then find your sound in it. Listen to some Omar Hakim.. the old vids. Try it with differnt styles. the big thing is to tune it to blend with your kit without a lot of sympathy vibrations from the other toms.

ONce you find that sound then holla at me. I can be of more help then because you'll know what you need.
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« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2005, 06:28:34 AM »
Ok...I tuned this snare to 3 full turns batter and snare side...with the snare wires at about medium to tight tension. .......My ears are hurting...it sounds horrible! AND I AM NOT SAYING THE DRUM DOES...I think the head combo just aint right for this snare... It sounds like I am hitting a steel snare drum. I am getting a ridiculuous ring at the end of the hit. And the way the snares are reacting, it just sounds like trash.

SO I OBVIOUSLY KNOW that 3 turns is not the way to tune this guy! hahaha. and boy, I am not impressed with these REMO heads...They are too bright for my tastes.

How do I get rid of that horrible ring?

Help.

God Bless.

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« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2005, 01:03:27 PM »
WELL EXCUSE ME IF I'M JUMPING IN YOUR CONVERSATION


LIKE I'VE BEEN TELLING EVERYONE ELSE. THE COATED REMO'S ARE FOR A BRIGHT SHARP ATTACK. THE NON-COATED MULTI-PLYS ARE FOR A DARK QUICK-DECAYING TONE.

TRY A REMO EBONY PINSTRIP. IT HAS A VERY DARK TONE, WITH A MEDIUM SHORT DECAY. HIGH DURABILITY.

OR TRY A REMO SMOOTH WHITE CONTROLLED SOUND HEAD, WITH THE POWER DOT. IT HAS MEDIUM TONE AND DECAY WITH HIGH DURABILITY ALSO.

OR FOR A BRIGHT TONE WITH A SHORT DECAY TRY A COATED EMPEROR WITH HALF OF A MOON GEL PATCH.



HOPE THIS HELPS




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« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2005, 02:20:22 PM »
Coated Emporer with Moon gell (Like Catron said :D  )  or coated PowerStroke 3 (a la Steve Gadd/Sonny Emory).

*** I understand wher Catron is coming from suggesting the non-coated heads  and for toms that is applicable BUT that limits the versatily and musicality of the snare drum which is the main voice of the drum kit... I don't recommend you go that route.
 
Remos as a whole are too bright for me becaus eof the stiff mylar. Warmer sounds come from more plyable heads (EVANS, ATTACK, AQUARIAN).

The ring you aer getting is similar to the ring that comes out of the Omar Hakim 13"x5" Power Picollo. Does it go away.... hmm NO, But they can be helped. African Mahogany is a very dense hardwood. It vibrates at low frequencies but it is really reflective. So you are going to have to tune lower, especially the top head. Turn back the bottom a full turn. Try 1.5 to 1.75 turns after finger tight on top and add a block of moon gel an inch from the edge with the heads you have. If you you don't have moon gel  fold one square of toilet tissue into a square the size of a quarter and use electrical tape.

I try not to muffle my snares at all. I really don't like to muffle any of them but sometimes you have to.

EVANS, EVANS, EVANS,
Head suggestion.... EVANS Genera/Hazy 300 medium tension tuning a la Billy Ward. Or  Genera DRY (vented)/Hazy 300 . These single-ply combinations tend to speak very clearly without over muffling the drum the get rid of overtones.

The other option would G2 coated normally, It worked in calming my Oak snare. HOWEVER... because of the ring that you have the Genera HD/Hazy 300. The Genera HD is a 2-ply coated with an internal ring like the single-ply Genera. This should keep the warmth and get rid og the ringy overtones.  

Note: because of the wood's density your rim shots will have a bite to them comaparable to a metal drum.
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« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2005, 05:51:46 PM »
Hey Catron...sorry, but I am an EVANS man. Come on Sabe, you know that, and you are suggesting the OTHER Brand?? haha.

OK, I was getting so frustrated with the heads that came with it so I went out and bought a J1 etched with Hazy 300. Is this combo going to work? Let me know...

Wow, I will crank down the drum. That makes sense for what is happening to the sound. With the new Evans heads, I have a way warmer tone...and the ring has actually diminished. You are so right about the rimshots!!! Diecast hoop and the African Mahogany...oh wow...It bites so hard, but I love it. I will work on tuning it low....But what would the snare adjustments be? Tight?

Thanks again for your Awesome tips.

God Bless.

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« Reply #6 on: December 17, 2005, 06:33:06 PM »
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OK, I was getting so frustrated with the heads that came with it so I went out and bought a J1 etched with Hazy 300. Is this combo going to work?


I think J1 Etched would work with a hazy 200 better.  I think you should definetly stick to the standard for this one; Remo Coated Ambassador on batter/Remo Ambassador Snare Side on Resonant.  (Omar Hakim style)
I would tune it Med. to Med. tight but NOT tight.  14x6.5 snare drums should sound like what they are. :wink:

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« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2005, 06:36:55 PM »
Oh yeah, I forgot one thing, try to have the snares at a good tension.  Med. tight will work good but not choked on the drum.

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« Reply #8 on: December 18, 2005, 12:34:17 AM »
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Hey Catron...sorry, but I am an EVANS man. Come on Sabe, you know that, and you are suggesting the OTHER Brand?? haha.

OK, I was getting so frustrated with the heads that came with it so I went out and bought a J1 etched with Hazy 300. Is this combo going to work? Let me know...

Wow, I will crank down the drum. That makes sense for what is happening to the sound. With the new Evans heads, I have a way warmer tone...and the ring has actually diminished. You are so right about the rimshots!!! Diecast hoop and the African Mahogany...oh wow...It bites so hard, but I love it. I will work on tuning it low....But what would the snare adjustments be? Tight?

Thanks again for your Awesome tips.

God Bless.


Medium tight on the snares... let them sing a little bit this will supprt the warmer shell tone. Believe me to the audience it sounds good especially on a worship song/ballad. it allows the quarter note to sustain for the whole beat. PLay with a few times and you'll see.

I know you are anEvans guy like me BUT I want to be a fully developed tech over various brands so I gave options for those whom are Remo users out there.
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« Reply #9 on: December 18, 2005, 08:19:24 AM »
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I think J1 Etched would work with a hazy 200 better.  I think you should definetly stick to the standard for this one; Remo Coated Ambassador on batter/Remo Ambassador Snare Side on Resonant.  (Omar Hakim style)
I would tune it Med. to Med. tight but NOT tight.  14x6.5 snare drums should sound like what they are. :wink:


Hey thanks for jumping in JFunky...I always enjoy hearing your opinion. Why are you recommending the hazy 200 over the 300, for the J1 etched? and what should a 14x6.5 snare drum sound like?

God Bless.

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« Reply #10 on: December 18, 2005, 01:47:45 PM »
I think the 200 will be too sensitive...

I know that JFunky is probably thinking that it will give a totally open sound since those are the characteristics of the J1.

However I know that the Hazy200 will enhance the highs and possibly bring back too much ring as well, it could also cause the snare to sound tinny/shallow/over articulate like a concert/orchestral snare. Go with the 300 to start... then if you find that you need more sensitivity (which I doubt) go with the Hazy 200.
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« Reply #11 on: December 18, 2005, 01:48:26 PM »
JFunky is defintley on top of his game though.
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« Reply #12 on: December 18, 2005, 06:01:28 PM »
man tha snare is so nice once u tune it i played it the other day at my local samash and it was one of the most beautiful sounding snares ever

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« Reply #13 on: December 18, 2005, 08:49:22 PM »
OK....I am just feeling dumb right about now. I need some more help. I have tried 4 different head combos and I just cant quite get what I want.

REMO Ambassador Batter / Ambassador Snare: I didnt like this combo whatsoever, I tried it because its what came on the snare.

EVANS J1 etched batter / Hazy 300 Snare: The tone was warm, but the J1 was just to open and bright sounding for me.

EVANS Hydraulic Snare batter / Hazy 300 Snare: I gave the snare 1.5 turns top and bottom. It sounded beautiful...until I engaged the snares. I tried every tension in between from loose till I couldnt turn it anymore, and nothing just sounded right. DOES A 6.5" DRUM MAKE THE SNARES RING MORE THAN A 5 OR 5.5"?? I also tried it at 2 turns top and bottom...and I got it to give me a nice sound when I got 2 Cotton pads, and duct tape and taped it on the bottom head...That really calmed the snares down...so with that being said, what would be the snare problem? Too loose? too tight? the head is too loose? too tight?

EVANS Genera Dry / Hazy 300: I really like the way the drum reacts with the Genera Dry...It feels better than the Hydraulic head. Right now I got the top cranked at 5 turns and the bottom at 3. The snares are reacting pretty nice...BUT the snare is popping too much...The problem with 1.5-2 turns top and bottom is just that I cant get the snares right...WHEN I THROW OFF THE SNARES, AND I HIT THE DRUM WITH 1.5-2 TURNS...IT SOUNDS SO DEEP AND WARM...Should I look at different Snare wires? if so, what should I be looking at?

OR...because of this snare, Should the top or bottom head be tighter than the other? Is that going to make a difference?

What is a 6.5" drum supposed to do to the snares?

It may be that I am used to my 14x5 7 ply maple sound, and my ears are just being stupid, however i do feel that I am just not getting this drum to do what it needs to do.

Please help some more.

God Bless.

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« Reply #14 on: December 18, 2005, 10:37:38 PM »
Your ears are going to have to get use to this new wood sound. Also you are going to probably have to loosen the snares some. On a drum like this . It being one of your DReam snares go ahead and put some PureSound Equilizers on it or some Canopus wires.

Never again try to put a hydraulic on a professional snare or any other snare ever, ever again. I thought I would have taught you better by now,  8O  :?  :lol: .

I told you to play with it for a while before you strat spending money on heads... that was so you/your ears could get use to the sound....

Not many pros even play with this sound so you have nothing to compare it to. You have to get to know it's identity.

14x6.5 snares do have pop if you know how to tune them and put the right combo on. Loosen the snares and let them sing a tiny bit and you'll have that classic 70s sound. Just spend some time with it... patience young Grass Hopper.
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« Reply #15 on: December 18, 2005, 11:19:24 PM »
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Hey Catron...sorry, but I am an EVANS man. Come on Sabe, you know that, and you are suggesting the OTHER Brand?? haha.

OK, I was getting so frustrated with the heads that came with it so I went out and bought a J1 etched with Hazy 300. Is this combo going to work? Let me know...

Wow, I will crank down the drum. That makes sense for what is happening to the sound. With the new Evans heads, I have a way warmer tone...and the ring has actually diminished. You are so right about the rimshots!!! Diecast hoop and the African Mahogany...oh wow...It bites so hard, but I love it. I will work on tuning it low....But what would the snare adjustments be? Tight?

Thanks again for your Awesome tips.

God Bless.



YEAH MAN, I WAS JUST TRYIN' TO HELP.

AS YOU CAN PROBABLY SEE, IM A REMO TYPE OF GUY.





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« Reply #16 on: December 19, 2005, 06:52:03 AM »
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Your ears are going to have to get use to this new wood sound. Also you are going to probably have to loosen the snares some. On a drum like this . It being one of your DReam snares go ahead and put some PureSound Equilizers on it or some Canopus wires.

Never again try to put a hydraulic on a professional snare or any other snare ever, ever again. I thought I would have taught you better by now,  8O  :?  :lol: .

I told you to play with it for a while before you strat spending money on heads... that was so you/your ears could get use to the sound....

Not many pros even play with this sound so you have nothing to compare it to. You have to get to know it's identity.

14x6.5 snares do have pop if you know how to tune them and put the right combo on. Loosen the snares and let them sing a tiny bit and you'll have that classic 70s sound. Just spend some time with it... patience young Grass Hopper.


Hold on a minute before you scold me...I didnt buy the hydraulic or the genera dry head. I had those guys already. and I am very sorry about the Hydraulic...Do I need to stay after school and write on the board???
I WILL NEVER PUT A HYDRAULIC HEAD ON A GOOD DRUM EVER AGAIN.
I WILL NEVER PUT A HYDRAULIC HEAD ON A GOOD DRUM EVER AGAIN.
I WILL NEVER PUT A HYDRAULIC HEAD ON A GOOD DRUM EVER AGAIN.
I WILL NEVER PUT A HYDRAULIC HEAD ON A GOOD DRUM EVER AGAIN.
I WILL NEVER PUT A HYDRAULIC HEAD ON A GOOD DRUM EVER AGAIN.
hahahaha.

I know its going to take a lot of patience to get it right and I have to get used to the fact, that its not going to tune like other drums.

Would you be under the impression that I should keep the snare side tighter than the batter side? And what Canopus Wires would you suggest?

God Bless.

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« Reply #17 on: December 19, 2005, 09:20:23 AM »
I was just looking at the Puresound wires...and I really like what the Equalizers do. That definitely seems like a solution I need for this snare. What strand count should I go for??? 16,20 or 24?

Thanks & God Bless.

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« Reply #18 on: December 19, 2005, 11:01:29 AM »
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I was just looking at the Puresound wires...and I really like what the Equalizers do. That definitely seems like a solution I need for this snare. What strand count should I go for??? 16,20 or 24?

Thanks & God Bless.

Puresound has 16,20 and 24 strand Equalizers listed on the webpage...HOWEVER, Musicians Friend has 12, 14 & 16 Strand Equalizers... So with that being said....what do I go with?

God Bless.

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« Reply #19 on: December 19, 2005, 06:00:11 PM »
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I was just looking at the Puresound wires...and I really like what the Equalizers do. That definitely seems like a solution I need for this snare. What strand count should I go for??? 16,20 or 24?

Thanks & God Bless.

Puresound has 16,20 and 24 strand Equalizers listed on the webpage...HOWEVER, Musicians Friend has 12, 14 & 16 Strand Equalizers... So with that being said....what do I go with?

God Bless.


16" for dry definition... 20" for a fat spread and more sensitivity
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