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Re: UNDERATED DRUMMERS
« Reply #20 on: March 09, 2006, 10:41:52 PM »
Great post SabianKnight....could not have said it better!!  But no one in that list of first 5 are underated.

My underated list includes:

1. Chris Johnson - Dorinda Clark-Cole, Stevie Wonder, Anastasia, Gospel Wonders

2. Terreon Gulley - Christain McBride

3. Quinjan Anderson - Yolanda Adams, New Direction

4. Nate Smith - Better Carter

5. Yonrico Scott  - Derek Trucks Band, After 7, Freddie Hubbard

6. Jamie Gamble - Brandy, Tony Braxton

When I say underated, only in the Gospel communitty as all of these cats work regularly!

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Re: UNDERATED DRUMMERS
« Reply #21 on: March 09, 2006, 11:19:19 PM »
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Re: UNDERATED DRUMMERS
« Reply #22 on: March 10, 2006, 10:09:44 AM »
Yo I agree with most of the stuff yall sayin because everyone is entitled to their own opinion.  BUT, yall said that Teddy Campbell is underratted.  Come on, First of all he is a beast.  He has one of the tightest pockets out, he plays on National T.V. every week and he is versatile. He should be considered a top drummer.
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Re: UNDERATED DRUMMERS
« Reply #23 on: March 13, 2006, 03:32:22 PM »
I have been away for awhile and tried to skim as many posts as possible and this post caught my eye. As usual, SK dropped the knowledge before me and stole my thunder. But let me add my 2.5 cents.

 I was curious what was meant by "underrated". ??? ???  Underrated is defined as rating too low. With this definition in mind, some of the names on the initial list should never have been mentioned.  Brizz, Teddy Campbell and Gordon Campbell, Jeff-Lo, Joel Smith, Oscar Seaton, Lil' John, OMG... :o these cats are established veterans in the industry.  If you don't know about them shame on you.  Their collective works speaks volumes about each of them.  Underrated, by who's opinion.  Any drummer worth their salt knows that these cats are "beasts" which I must mention is a term used too often on this board.  Every new cat I hear about is a "beast"  I'm going to start a thread called "the beasts of Ephesus" (but I digress). 

Just b/c no one has started an internet campaign for a drummer does not mean that he is underrated.  Most importantly, we can not forget that depending on the artist or the MD a drummer maybe be directed to play in a certain fashion.  That's does not make them underrated, only obedient to direction so they can continue to get the call.  What matters most, some dude with a keyboard hyping me on some website saying how hot I am on the set or being employed even if all I am asked to do is read the music and keep a 2/4 beat. ??? ??? 

Plus, some drummers are given the liberty and the autonomy to do things that others are not.  I will change the names in my scenario to protect the innocent.  There was a major artist getting ready for a national tour and they hired an "established" drummer with an "established" style to work the tour.  Next time this artist when out to tour, the "established" drummer had a scheduling conflict and was unable to go on this particular tour.  The MD called a relatively newbie (to touring at least) to handle this major gig.  The new drummer proceeded to handle his business in the mold of the "established" drummer but was told by the same MD to tone down his schtick.  When he questioned the MD after the set for clarification the MD told him that he had wanted to tell the "established" drummer to calm down but he was mindful of his reputation and did not want to cause a conflict so he allowed him to do what he does best (which did not really take away from the gig--note: some MDs just like to be dictatorial).  Point being, I may have chops like Dennis Chambers and be asked to replace him but that does not mean that I will be allowed the same liberty that Dennis would have been afforded by the MD.  Without this background I would be referred to as "wack" and "booty on the set" by some guy behind the keyboard all the while I'm just following the lead of the MD.  So I guess I'll live with the moniker of underrated in my $850,000 home and I wave to all of you while I'm on TV. 

I understood the question that was raised, but what is truly underrated??  If I got the gig I must be doing something right?

 

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Re: UNDERATED DRUMMERS
« Reply #24 on: March 13, 2006, 03:43:37 PM »
UNDERATED IS WHEN THEY
WONT GIVE YOU A MODERN DRUMMER WRITE UP BUT YOUR IN THE MAG 5 TIMES ANYWAY

WE ALL KNOW

ITS FUNNY NOW BECUASE IT TOOK FOR US TO DO OUR OWN DVD
 TO GRACE THE PAGES OF MODERN DRUMMER MAG

BUT THEYVE KNOWN US FOR YEARS

IVE BEEN ENDORCED SINCE I WAS 9-10 SO Y AM I NOT IN THERE.....

IVE SEEN WECKL AND TERRY BOZZIO  LIKE 20 TIMES ON THE COVER OF THE MAG OFF CLINICS  NOT MAJOR GIGS....WSUP WITH THAT..SHOULD I GO JOIN A FLY BY NIGHT ROCK BAND WILL THAT HELP./..LOL

THE WHOLE BLACK CULTURE IS UNDERATED....IF YOU ASK ME
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Re: UNDERATED DRUMMERS
« Reply #25 on: March 13, 2006, 03:47:37 PM »
UNDERATED IS WHEN THEY
WONT GIVE YOU A MODERN DRUMMER WRITE UP BUT YOUR IN THE MAG 5 TIMES ANYWAY

WE ALL KNOW

ITS FUNNY NOW BECUASE IT TOOK FOR US TO DO OUR OWN DVD
 TO GRACE THE PAGES OF MODERN DRUMMER MAG

BUT THEYVE KNOWN US FOR YEARS

IVE BEEN ENDORCED SINCE I WAS 9-10 SO Y AM I NOT IN THERE.....

IVE SEEN WECKL AND TERRY BOZZIO  LIKE 20 TIMES ON THE COVER OF THE MAG OFF CLINICS  NOT MAJOR GIGS....WSUP WITH THAT..SHOULD I GO JOIN A FLY BY NIGHT ROCK BAND WILL THAT HELP./..LOL

THE WHOLE BLACK CULTURE IS UNDERATED....IF YOU ASK ME

Yeah pretty much. It's like kats have to play with a major pop artist to get recognized. Folks are doing they're thing all over. On the real, I would love to see MD do an edition on the women drummers.

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Re: UNDERATED DRUMMERS
« Reply #26 on: March 13, 2006, 04:29:57 PM »
Yeah pretty much. It's like kats have to play with a major pop artist to get recognized. Folks are doing they're thing all over. On the real, I would love to see MD do an edition on the women drummers.

UMMM...POP ARTIST DRUMMERS? I have seen a few...but definitely far from the Majority.

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Re: UNDERATED DRUMMERS
« Reply #27 on: March 13, 2006, 06:11:00 PM »
Gospel drummers are underated no matter how big the gig. I wonder why????

Its the dern devil!!!!!

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Re: UNDERATED DRUMMERS
« Reply #28 on: March 13, 2006, 06:28:35 PM »
UMMM...POP ARTIST DRUMMERS? I have seen a few...but definitely far from the Majority.

I was trying to find the modify button,,but it done went missing..LOL

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Re: UNDERATED DRUMMERS
« Reply #29 on: March 13, 2006, 08:09:45 PM »
As far as covereage etc goes... minority drummers bring in minority money. Though minorities spend more than they save it is ususally on frivilous big ticket items instead of investment items like top of the line cymbal, drum kits etc. We minority musicians have to relationship wise. We have to market ourselves. We have to let people in the know that we are (1) interested (2) capable of working in the crossover market. We have to be on top of our sight reading and be knowledgable of genre standard songs and whose who in the top 100 Billboards list etc. We have to set ourselves up to be universal rather than culturall ybound. We have to be seen on the "other side of the tracks" on the regular.

It comes down to marketing and the longevity of the marketing dollar. A marketing campaign is not cheap and it needs to runa bare minimum of 6 months to a year to be finacially viable. If numbers don't rise in a fiscal quarter it was a bust. What does this mean for us the aspiring?

It means that we need to handle our business as business. Learn the necessary knowledge to play the game and win starting with the rules of engagement. First thing being  respect the system whether you like it or not. Second thing don't talk to flunkies when you need the word of a king. Invest in yourself: press pack that is updated on a quarterly to six-month basis, busines cards, professional head shots, press releases written by a publicist  (not your cousin pookie or your boo ... unless they work for an ad agency with credentials), professional web site (dot.com not just a myspace), Never show up empty handed (always talk business willing and able to buy, show stats on your personal; fan base/record sales to date, awards), pick your gigs better than you pix your girls (meaning pix things that lift you up not milk you dry).

A man is judged by the company he keeps and so is an endorser or magazines bottom line. If we cannot make a company look better and bring in more money why do they need us. That's real talk from the business world. If you don't make dollars you don't make sense. That means that we have to increase our personal value.   
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Re: UNDERATED DRUMMERS
« Reply #30 on: March 13, 2006, 09:13:07 PM »
I MEAN   THEY DONT GET THE MEDIA   ATTENTION  LIKE WECKL VINNIE  ETC.    THERES ONE  BLACK ON THE COVER  FOR EVERY 50 ................. OTHER RACES


                 JUST REAL TALK       NO GOSPEL  DRUMMERS .......  IT'S ONE SIDED



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Re: UNDERATED DRUMMERS
« Reply #31 on: March 13, 2006, 09:51:10 PM »
THERES ONE  BLACK ON THE COVER  FOR EVERY 50 ................. OTHER RACES

A story I once got told...

While sitting down with my aunt who was reading to me a bible story I asked her "Aunty, if Jesus was born in Bethlehem, why is he white in the picture?".
My aunty looked at me and said... "Boy, you have to understand... they didn't have enough coloured or black ink in the printer."
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Re: UNDERATED DRUMMERS
« Reply #32 on: March 13, 2006, 10:30:14 PM »
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Re: UNDERATED DRUMMERS
« Reply #33 on: March 13, 2006, 10:36:07 PM »
mine are

like the post above mine says - Stokley
Chris Coleman
Rodney Holmes
Nat Townsley
Kieth Carlock
Teddy Campbell

i think next we should maybe talk about those that are overatted.

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Re: UNDERATED DRUMMERS
« Reply #34 on: March 13, 2006, 10:46:14 PM »


i think next we should maybe talk about those that are overatted.
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We have already talked about that.
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Re: UNDERATED DRUMMERS
« Reply #35 on: March 14, 2006, 08:35:28 AM »
To me Kevin Kelly is the most underated drummer. But around herre in tha lou we got mad respect for tha dude. Wednesday i got lessons wit dude and let me tell u tha dude is sick. he does just as much work j. haynes and calvin rodgers man im tellin u. maybe its jus me because i love stl drummers (not that i aint got love for all drummers). jus my opinion
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Re: UNDERATED DRUMMERS
« Reply #36 on: March 14, 2006, 08:42:11 AM »
I MEAN   THEY DONT GET THE MEDIA   ATTENTION  LIKE WECKL VINNIE  ETC.    THERES ONE  BLACK ON THE COVER  FOR EVERY 50 ................. OTHER RACES


                 JUST REAL TALK       NO GOSPEL  DRUMMERS .......  IT'S ONE SIDED



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Ummm...I have seen Dennis Chambers right there. He is black right? John Blackwell is black right? Rodney Holmes, I think he is black too. Carter Beauford? Billy Cobham? Bernard Purdie?

Please, dont use the excuse because I am black or white or yellow or orange I didnt get what I wanted. Thats just a crock of bologna. get real. quick trying to find excuses.

God Bless.

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Re: UNDERATED DRUMMERS
« Reply #37 on: March 14, 2006, 11:57:01 AM »
I think Gerald Heyward had a cover a while back, too (or at least a rather long article).

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Re: UNDERATED DRUMMERS
« Reply #38 on: March 14, 2006, 12:09:11 PM »
I think Gerald Heyward had a cover a while back, too (or at least a rather long article).

and Teddy Campbell

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Re: UNDERATED DRUMMERS
« Reply #39 on: March 14, 2006, 12:24:59 PM »
Ummm...I have seen Dennis Chambers right there. He is black right? John Blackwell is black right? Rodney Holmes, I think he is black too. Carter Beauford? Billy Cobham? Bernard Purdie?

Please, dont use the excuse because I am black or white or yellow or orange I didnt get what I wanted. Thats just a crock of bologna. get real. quick trying to find excuses.

God Bless.


It is not a crock racial inequality still does heavily affect the African American community representation. And we should not ever stop fighting for just due respect and opportunity. But the game is what it is and we have to respect the game as it is and learn hoow to win at it.

Sometimes we Americans complain about being tired of hearing about racial inequality complaints but the fact is that until everybody admits to the problem and takes a stand on the problem one side or the other then the problem will continue to be a thorn in our side. Until then though we have to man up get game tight and lay waste to our own short comings. We have to realize that everybody cannot go to the top because frankly they are not prepared to be there. We have to grow our circl of influence so that we enable those around us to be able to go. Then we can weed out those that are not willing to go. A chain is only as strong as it's weakest link and more times than not it starts with the man in the mirror.
 
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