UNDERATED DRUMMERS

[MaestroDivine]

To Sabe Div and Drumzalicious.

Sabe, I know you werent calling me a racist. I wasnt really directing my statement towards you but to everyone else that doesnt really know me.

I definitely know that there is still racism, and contrary to many beliefs, whites go through it too. That was my point. I dont believe that it is just the whites against all other colors. Its not like that anymore. As I stated, I am half white and half hispanic but I was always pushed away from the hispanic community in a pretty hateful manner. BUT....the whole point, that never kept me away from anything. I never let that hold me back. There was a job I really wanted with a nice Firm, I got turned down because I wasnt fluent in Spanish and I LIVE IN AMERICA. So, I went and got a job at a better firm. I didnt let that roadblock get in my way. In my area, there is a thing called Hispano Chamber of Commerce where just Hispanic people rally, if the whites had a club called the white chamber of commerce or anything of the sort, we would quickly be called racist and it wouldnt be allowed, but yet other colors are allowed to draw a line and say I am proud to be a member of this ethnic group.

Sabe I respect what you said and I agree 100%. There is a bad image of people that is unfortunately the majority in every race. You are well educated and you didnt let anything get in front of you. So you dont fit in the category.

Div & Sabe, concerning what Div said. Hey there are Redneck Trailer Trash Racist Honkeys that give White guys like me a really bad name. But I am not that white guy. I do not like to get stereotyped for him. I am also a well educated person, and for someone to say well you got there because you are white is just stupid. I got here because I had a goal, ambition and desire and Faith in God that I would get what I want. and I have to say Amen to what Div said, there is the African American people that are content thugging around and they complain that everyone is racist towards them. Same with the hispanics, theres the Cholo Gangbangers that are always causing trouble, thats not all the Hispanics. but the Idiots in every Race give the rest of us that are trying to make something of ourselves a really bad name.

I guess what triggered the whole thing is this: I do not like hearing people finding an excuse as to why they cant do something. Why put a border or a boundry to what you can accomplish? Why say I want to the best I can be but because of this, I can only get this far. Then whats the point of even trying? That especially disgusts me with Christians. We have a God that according to his word, ANYTHING we ask of in His name, it is Ours. So where is our Faith? I have never taken no for an answer in anything in my life. I have always pushed myself as far as I can. I graduated High School at 16 years old, College at 18 years old. I am the Manager of a staff of professionals that are double my age. Why? because I pushed myself to never take no.

Drumzalicious, thanks for your kind words. I really appreciate that coming from you.

So Sabe and Div, you guys are well educated you have achieved a whole lot. Did racism stop you? it may have got in your way a few times as it does with everyone, but did it hold you back? No. You wouldnt be where you are now if it had.

We should let nothing hold us back. period.

God Bless.

One last thing ... I think the reason why you feel the racial discrimination you face is just as major as what we face - is because, you seem to be the type who don't to just "stick to your kind". I mean, you're on a messageboard we're the majority of the membership is  Black/Hispanic. That tell's me something about how you'd socialize in real-life. You have no problems being around people of other races - however, because of that, you may face discrimination from Blacks/Hispanics, because of your skin color.

I wonder if that's it. Relatively speaking - the racism you face, may feel/be just as major as the one we face, because of that fact.

[baldeagle]

Div,

Man, just let me say that it just makes me feel good to know that there are still brothers who can express themselves so eloquently. I applaud you!

MaestroDivine for President!!!!!! Who's with me???!!!!!!!!!!!!

Aaawww, forget everybody else. I'll be your campaign manager !!!!!

I do have this question, though. Can anyone tell me why there have been no concessions made toward me (as far as teaching me my native language -- whatever African dialect that may be), but now half of the billboards I see in Houston are written in Spanish to accommodate all of the people who are admittedly here illegally??? Hmmmmmm. . . just wondering.

[Eccentric-Rhythm]

Thats kinda where I am coming from. If this is indeed a white man owned world, then why in my country am I forced to speak the language of another? Spanish is all over the place here...and the majority of the illegals are right here in my state. That is why I am exposed to so much bolgona, Cali, AZ, NM and Texas are the border states. So down here, its a different world.

[MaestroDivine]

Thats kinda where I am coming from. If this is indeed a white man owned world, then why in my country am I forced to speak the language of another? Spanish is all over the place here...and the majority of the illegals are right here in my state. That is why I am exposed to so much bolgona, Cali, AZ, NM and Texas are the border states. So down here, its a different world.

ER, this is a White man's world. I doubt any Hispanic believe it's theirs. What you face is not a racial issue - but a issue of qualifications. If I applied for the job - I would have to have the same qualifications. It's because we have so many Hispanic Americans, that we have to have people who can communicate in their language is well. They're not taking over - it's just that their money spends too - and they need people who can speak to them, to take it from them.

[MaestroDivine]

Thats kinda where I am coming from. If this is indeed a white man owned world, then why in my country am I forced to speak the language of another? Spanish is all over the place here...and the majority of the illegals are right here in my state. That is why I am exposed to so much bolgona, Cali, AZ, NM and Texas are the border states. So down here, its a different world.

Now, I do say that we should have them learn the language before they can enter this country. That's how I feel. At the same time - the only reason we have to accomodate Hispanics, specifically - is because of how close Mexico is in proximity to the US. If it was an Asian country, instead of Mexico - we would have to learn their language. Nothing wrong with learning a second laguage - and you're not being discriminated against, just because you have to speak that language, to learn. It's, as I said before, simply a matter of qualifications. A Hispanic American who applied for that job would be turned down if they couldn't speak the language.   

[MaestroDivine]

just because you have to speak that language, to learn. = just because you have to speak that language, to work there.

[Eccentric-Rhythm]

I definitely wasnt referring to just work. For example, as bald eagle said, just drive down the street more than half the billboards are in spanish, you go to the drive thru of any fast food restaurant and you cant understand what they are saying. and I actually am about 75% fluent in spanish, because as I stated I am half. but in this country I speak english, I agree with what you said, they need to learn BEFORE they get here. but that is not the case....I am suggesting this was a racist issue, just stating another thing that maybe you dont see since you dont live here.

[baldeagle]

ER, this is a White man's world. I doubt any Hispanic believe it's theirs. What you face is not a racial issue - but a issue of qualifications. If I applied for the job - I would have to have the same qualifications. It's because we have so many Hispanic Americans, that we have to have people who can communicate in their language is well. They're not taking over - it's just that their money spends too - and they need people who can speak to them, to take it from them.

Once again, I'm in awe. . . MaestroDivine for President!!!!!!!!!! Who's with me????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[MaestroDivine]

I definitely wasnt referring to just work. For example, as bald eagle said, just drive down the street more than half the billboards are in spanish, you go to the drive thru of any fast food restaurant and you cant understand what they are saying. and I actually am about 75% fluent in spanish, because as I stated I am half. but in this country I speak english, I agree with what you said, they need to learn BEFORE they get here. but that is not the case....I am suggesting this was a racist issue, just stating another thing that maybe you dont see since you dont live here.

The whole border issue is crazy, man.

[drumzalicious]

so how bout those braves ? ? ?

[MaestroDivine]

so how bout those braves ? ? ?

Haha!

Right. I don't think it got out of hand, tho'. I've seen arguments about race get VERY ugly. While it is a touchy subject - no one insulted anyone. So, that say's a lot about the people who participated in the discussion/debate.

Now if it had been BBD .................   

[Eccentric-Rhythm]

Haha!

Right. I don't think it got out of hand, tho'. I've seen arguments about race get VERY ugly. While it is a touchy subject - no one insulted anyone. So, that say's a lot about the people who participated in the discussion/debate.

Now if it had been BBD .................   

True I am very proud of ourselves, we acted as mature adults. Oh man, that doesnt fit me....lets get back to messing around.

God Bless.

[billoved]

NOW BACK TO UNDERRATED DRUMMES...smarkland38 is DEFINATELY on point with his choices and i think he'll agree with these

my boy Mike Wiliams some of ya'll are too young (Commissioned) Joey Bruce, Joel Smith, Dana Davis,

Chris Coleman is waayyy underrated

Nisan Stewart that Royster dvd did not do him justice at all he's not a drummer he's a musician

Steve Bibbs does anybody remember him?

[GDRU]

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We would love to hair from you.

[WLeader]

Brent Easton & Reggie "Wally" Norris  & Herschell A.K.A  Drummers for YPJ & FVC!!!  All of them are a force to be reckond with!!!

[diligent_hands]

lol..rex not being underated.....but um the only drummer i know thats underated is RODERICK GREEN..he use to play for Y-ADAMS,SHERLY MURDOCK,the WINANS and a couple others...he from texas now dwelling in in tampa fl...

[musiqisme26]

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