I'm stingy with my playing technique........am I wrong?!?!

[rjthakid]

Here's the deal.  I'm the drummer for my church.  I've only been playing the organ for 2 months.  I ordered GK202, Urban Worship Classic, and The Real Deal: How to play the Hammond B3.

Because I've invested so much time (and $) in this, I'm actually progressing.  But.....

Our keyboard player has been playing the keyboard for a few years, and he's pretty good.  When it's time for the preacher, he moves over to the organ.  He saw me practice and he wants to borrow my DVD's

 

But wait, HE'S ALREADY THE KEYBOARD PLAYER!!!  Now he wants to borrow my little DVD's?!?!  I know it may sound stingy, but I spent my hard-earned money for this stuff, and now he wants to borrow it.  I'm trying to learn how to play the Organ, and he's trying to learn the SAME STUFF I'm learning.  He's been playing the keyboard for years, so if he learns that stuff, he'll be much better than me on the Organ too.  It's not fair.

What do u guys think?

Try not to blast me.   

[sjonathan02]

Proverbs 11:24,25

24 One man gives freely, yet gains even more; another withholds unduly, but comes to poverty.
25 A generous man will prosper; he who refreshes others will himself be refreshed.


Proverbs 3:28
Do not say to your neighbor, "Come back later; I'll give it tomorrow"— when you now have it with you.

Proverbs 3:29
Do not plot harm against your neighbor, who lives trustfully near you.


think and pray on these, my brother.

[lumbebear1]

God loves a cheerful giver............................

Maybe he cant afford the DVD series, by sharing not only are you helping someone else, you are sowing seed into another life, because of the seeds of love, and  kindness you sow, the harvest will be one of 2 very talented musicians playing for the glory and honor it brings to the Father.

I have been playing for many years (ear only) my frined who has only been playing for a couple of years shared the Gosple Keys series with me, it has been tremondous in helping me learn theory. What a blessing that was to me, and I am wqually blessed to hear how well she plays. Just thought I would share that testimony.


I hope this helps.

 

[lilben]

Here's the deal.  I'm the drummer for my church.  I've only been playing the organ for 2 months.  I ordered GK202, Urban Worship Classic, and The Real Deal: How to play the Hammond B3.

Because I've invested so much time (and $) in this, I'm actually progressing.  But.....

Our keyboard player has been playing the keyboard for a few years, and he's pretty good.  When it's time for the preacher, he moves over to the organ.  He saw me practice and he wants to borrow my DVD's

 

But wait, HE'S ALREADY THE KEYBOARD PLAYER!!!  Now he wants to borrow my little DVD's?!?!  I know it may sound stingy, but I spent my hard-earned money for this stuff, and now he wants to borrow it.  I'm trying to learn how to play the Organ, and he's trying to learn the SAME STUFF I'm learning.  He's been playing the keyboard for years, so if he learns that stuff, he'll be much better than me on the Organ too.  It's not fair.

What do u guys think?

Try not to blast me.   

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Is all you are worried about is him being better than you???? Come on down man.

[truworship]

Here's the deal.  I'm the drummer for my church.  I've only been playing the organ for 2 months.  I ordered GK202, Urban Worship Classic, and The Real Deal: How to play the Hammond B3.

Because I've invested so much time (and $) in this, I'm actually progressing.  But.....

Our keyboard player has been playing the keyboard for a few years, and he's pretty good.  When it's time for the preacher, he moves over to the organ.  He saw me practice and he wants to borrow my DVD's

 

But wait, HE'S ALREADY THE KEYBOARD PLAYER!!!  Now he wants to borrow my little DVD's?!?!  I know it may sound stingy, but I spent my hard-earned money for this stuff, and now he wants to borrow it.  I'm trying to learn how to play the Organ, and he's trying to learn the SAME STUFF I'm learning.  He's been playing the keyboard for years, so if he learns that stuff, he'll be much better than me on the Organ too.  It's not fair.

What do u guys think?

Try not to blast me.   


If you spent money on It I would not give It up too easily. Is this a brother that you can trust to give your stuff back? are you still studying from them? If so, I would hold off on the borrowing Until you have completed the lesson from them. mabe you can just show him some of the things you have already learned and pass it on that way or tell him where he can order his own.(just like school....why give or lend a text book if you are still using it yourself)? and how did he know you had It anyway????? as far as being better than you? I have learned through the years that there is not one musician that is  better than the other. everyone has a different style no matter how good you think someone is, there is ALWAYS something that they do not know because gospel music is forever changing. now the bible says prov. 16:18 pride goeth before destruction and a haughty spirit before a fall...verse 19: better is it to be of a humble spirit with the lowly, than to divide the spoil with the proud...verse 20: He that handeleth a matter wisely shall find good and whoso trusteth in the lord, happy is he. you don't have to be taken advantage of to prove you are nice and holy. just remember that the reason you are a musician is because GOD gave yuo the gift and the thurst to be used for his glory and his glory only. seek to be lifted by him and not man who will turn around and tear you back down. get rid of the pride and let your love for jesus shine through your gift

[Mysteryman]

Tell him to come over and watch it with you if you do not want to lend out your DVDs.

[T-Block]

You are not necessarily wrong, but you kinda being a little selfish.  There will always be somebody who plays better than you, ALWAYS.  So, if your only concern is about him playing better than you, then u need to get out of that mindset real quick.  That just leads to jealousy and envy and all those unholy things that will get you in trouble with God. 

But, reading you post, I don't think that is your only concern, the other problem is you the one spent the money on them DVD's and now he just trying to get it from you so he don't have to buy it.  I feel you on that one right there.  It's just like with CDs, you go spend your hard earned money, then somebody want a free copy.  You just want to tell them, "Go get your own and stop bothering me."  But then again God does love a cheeful giver.  If you bless others, God will bless you. 

Sometimes, every now and then I be debating whether or not to put some of my chords on here cuz then people will just steal them and then there will be a whole lotta copycats.  I be like I spend hours and hours trying to learn this stuff, and then peole just get it and run with it w/out putting in the work trying to be original.  But, when that thought comes to me, I shake it off remind myself who I'm doing this for, God. If you can use my chords to help your playing, then that's great.  I want God to get the glory instead of me.  So, I will say this to you RJ, if he wants to borrow some of you DVDs, go ahead a let him.  He may not even understand the techniques like you do and he will probably still come to you for help.  It may not be fair in your eyes, but it's right.  You should be concerned more with doing what's right than what seems fair.

[elio]

You are not necessarily wrong, but you kinda being a little selfish.  There will always be somebody who plays better than you, ALWAYS.  So, if your only concern is about him playing better than you, then u need to get out of that mindset real quick.  That just leads to jealousy and envy and all those unholy things that will get you in trouble with God. 

But, reading you post, I don't think that is your only concern, the other problem is you the one spent the money on them DVD's and now he just trying to get it from you so he don't have to buy it.  I feel you on that one right there.  It's just like with CDs, you go spend your hard earned money, then somebody want a free copy.  You just want to tell them, "Go get your own and stop bothering me."  But then again God does love a cheeful giver.  If you bless others, God will bless you. 

Sometimes, every now and then I be debating whether or not to put some of my chords on here cuz then people will just steal them and then there will be a whole lotta copycats.  I be like I spend hours and hours trying to learn this stuff, and then peole just get it and run with it w/out putting in the work trying to be original.  But, when that thought comes to me, I shake it off remind myself who I'm doing this for, God. If you can use my chords to help your playing, then that's great.  I want God to get the glory instead of me.  So, I will say this to you RJ, if he wants to borrow some of you DVDs, go ahead a let him.  He may not even understand the techniques like you do and he will probably still come to you for help.  It may not be fair in your eyes, but it's right.  You should be concerned more with doing what's right than what seems fair.

Right on - Bro T-Block, there's a whole sermon right there.

RJ, do what the man says . I can vouch for the fact that there's always a better player around the corner.

Romans 12:20 says "If your enemy is hungry, feed him. If he is thirsty, give him a drink; for in doing so, you will heap coals of fire on his head." This keyboard player is not quite your enemy, but you feel his threat. Try God, apply His word and see your victory come through.

Peace.

[uriahsmusic]

...i dont think the maker of the dvd would appreciate that!....(if you need an excuse!)...but the real issues here is you being unwilling to share something you have with someone as opposed to openly blessing someone!....there is no excuse for that....
letting him watch it with you would be ok....

I can blow on guitar...and I share everything I know to Gods glory. I actually hope you get as good or better than me...

[BBoy]

Here is the biggest secret to actually understanding anything . . . . ready? Here it is . . . 

Teach what you know to someone else.

The matter of the DVD's is another thing. That is your property, and whether or not you loan it to someone else is up to you. Will he take care of it, return it on time, etc. If you are not comfortable with loaning out your stuff, you are completely in your rights to say no.

But . . . . showing things / progressions to someone else, teaching . . . . that is sowing and reaping. GOD has promised to supply seed to the sower, so true teachers never have to worry about running out of knowledge or skill.

Freely you have received . . . . freely give.

Be Blessed 

[Chynadolle]

I feel ya I needed to learn and wanted to borrow some DVD's but embarrassed to ask so I bought my own, may be they can't afford them or cheap, but I say let them use them you will be blessed in your own way of playing and no one plays the same anyway.

[truworship]

You are not necessarily wrong, but you kinda being a little selfish.  There will always be somebody who plays better than you, ALWAYS.  So, if your only concern is about him playing better than you, then u need to get out of that mindset real quick.  That just leads to jealousy and envy and all those unholy things that will get you in trouble with God. 

But, reading you post, I don't think that is your only concern, the other problem is you the one spent the money on them DVD's and now he just trying to get it from you so he don't have to buy it.  I feel you on that one right there.  It's just like with CDs, you go spend your hard earned money, then somebody want a free copy.  You just want to tell them, "Go get your own and stop bothering me."  But then again God does love a cheeful giver.  If you bless others, God will bless you. 

Sometimes, every now and then I be debating whether or not to put some of my chords on here cuz then people will just steal them and then there will be a whole lotta copycats.  I be like I spend hours and hours trying to learn this stuff, and then peole just get it and run with it w/out putting in the work trying to be original.  But, when that thought comes to me, I shake it off remind myself who I'm doing this for, God. If you can use my chords to help your playing, then that's great.  I want God to get the glory instead of me.  So, I will say this to you RJ, if he wants to borrow some of you DVDs, go ahead a let him.  He may not even understand the techniques like you do and he will probably still come to you for help.  It may not be fair in your eyes, but it's right.  You should be concerned more with doing what's right than what seems fair.

You say you debate whether to put your chords on here? aren't other people puting there chords on here for your benifit too? Isn't that one of the reasons for being here ? there are no copycats cause everyone has ther own technique. I like the way you said that you shake it off and remember why you are here.....thats the spirit!!! everyone contibutes here and thats what I like about the site. there is no "I" In TEAM.

[lilben]

You say you debate whether to put your chords on here? aren't other people puting there chords on here for your benifit too? Isn't that one of the reasons for being here ? there are no copycats cause everyone has ther own technique. I like the way you said that you shake it off and remember why you are here.....thats the spirit!!! everyone contibutes here and thats what I like about the site. there is no "I" In TEAM.

Very well said man. We all help each other. The stuff you learned T-block you had to learn from someone else right??? They used their hard earned time learning everything to help you right???

[berbie]

I can really understand where Rjthakid is coming from with his comments.  Some people who are good players already are incredibly insensitive when it comes to a newcomer's feelings as he tries to learn the trade.  They only ask them to play when there is no other choice. they will not try to help them to learn. Often when asked about some "chops" or procedures, they brush the beginner off.  They will bring other musicians in over them without a thought. If all or part of this is true in his case, I can understand how he might feel when the keyboard player asked to use his material. When the keyboard player saw him trying to learn, did he help?  did he try to get him playing opportunities?  We don't know, but in most cases, the answer would be "no". 
Instead of trying to help the man with preaching chords, he walks over and takes over the organ. 

The man gets some tapes to try to learn, and he wants to borrow them.  I don't know what I would do, but I know how I would feel.  Kinda like Rjth.

I was glad to find this site.  The musicians in here are very generous with their help. I know that it is time consuming to post chords and etc. I appreciate it.   

Excuse this long post, but I started to learn keyboard after I retired  (at the age of 59), never expecting to be able to play very much.  For some unknown reason, I was able to learn to play on my own good enough to play for my Church.  I was shocked and appalled at the manner in which I was treated by the musician who was already in place and musicians in general in this small toiwn.  No help at all,  discouragement, resentment because I was learning anyway, and fairly quickly.

Personally,  I would help anyone who asked me right away.  And they would be free to use my materials freely.  But if some of the keyboard players who were already playing were to ask me,  i would feel just like Rthj.

[rjthakid]

I can really understand where Rjthakid is coming from with his comments. Some people who are good players already are incredibly insensitive when it comes to a newcomer's feelings as he tries to learn the trade. They only ask them to play when there is no other choice. they will not try to help them to learn. Often when asked about some "chops" or procedures, they brush the beginner off. They will bring other musicians in over them without a thought. If all or part of this is true in his case, I can understand how he might feel when the keyboard player asked to use his material. When the keyboard player saw him trying to learn, did he help? did he try to get him playing opportunities? We don't know, but in most cases, the answer would be "no".
Instead of trying to help the man with preaching chords, he walks over and takes over the organ.

The man gets some tapes to try to learn, and he wants to borrow them. I don't know what I would do, but I know how I would feel. Kinda like Rjth.

I was glad to find this site. The musicians in here are very generous with their help. I know that it is time consuming to post chords and etc. I appreciate it.

Excuse this long post, but I started to learn keyboard after I retired (at the age of 59), never expecting to be able to play very much. For some unknown reason, I was able to learn to play on my own good enough to play for my Church. I was shocked and appalled at the manner in which I was treated by the musician who was already in place and musicians in general in this small toiwn. No help at all, discouragement, resentment because I was learning anyway, and fairly quickly.

Personally, I would help anyone who asked me right away. And they would be free to use my materials freely. But if some of the keyboard players who were already playing were to ask me, i would feel just like Rthj.

I think Berbie read between the lines.

Firstly, it's not like I'm the experienced one and he's the newbie.  lol.  Dude is pretty good on keys, and I'm just starting.

With that in mind:

NO he hasn't helped me with preaching chords, runs, etc.  If he did, I wouldn't have bought the DVD's. 

NO he's not broke.  He makes more money than me, and he's not married with a child, so I KNOW he can afford the DVD's.

He KNOWS I've been coming over to the church and practicing on the Organ.  That I've spent time practicing my preaching chords and shout music.  He wasn't there sunday before last, and I played some of the preaching chords I know.  I've backed up my Bishop twice before, and it went very well.  If he was someone who was less experienced than I (I've only been playing for 2 and a half months) I would GLADLY lend them my stuff.  But he's very good on tha keys, AND moves to the Organ when my Bishop gets up to preach.

And the problem isn't that he'd be better than me!  It's that I'm devoting time and energy and $ into this, and if he's going to take the info that I give him and STILL move over to the Organ instead of letting me play, then I'm out in tha cold.   



This said, I never considered not lending him the DVD's.  It just doesn't seem fair. 

[sjonathan02]

It just doesn't seem fair. 

Hey RJ, I have a friend that I'd like you to meet....


RJ...this is LIFE

LIFE....this is my man, RJ.

Life speaks, "Hey dude, nice to meet ya. By the way, I'm not fair. So, whaddya do, man"


 


Ok, joke over.


The reality is, Life isn't fair. I don't think anyone is saying that you should or shouldn't do it. Just understand your motives for why. Have you asked the guy why he wants to borrow the DVDs? Have you come up with some sort of arrangement whereby he borrows the DVDs (with or without you) and then the two of you can have a discussion about them, he can show you some stuff, you can show him. I think they call that sharing. 



BTW, talk to him about sitting at the organ. Work that out, my brother! 

[rjthakid]

You better not introduce me to Life.  I've been wanting to kick his #%$^& for a long time.      

Like I said, I never considered not giving him the DVD's.  And I've already asked him for help with very little in return.  That's what gets me.

Me:"Hey, do u think you can show me some things?"

Him: "Um, well the kind of job I have, when I get home at night I'm tired"

another time(after rehearsal)

Me: "I like how you ended the second song.  What did you do?"

Him: "I don't know how to explain it."

 

Those are just two examples.

It's not about helping someone.  It's about helping someone who has dodged helping me, can more than afford the DVD's on his own, and has been attempting to play 2 instruments, thus blocking me.    

It's nice to say the Politically Correct thing (Love thy neighbor), but I KNOW if yall were in my shoes you'd be like 

[sjonathan02]

I can feel what're saying. And, you're right, if it were me, I'd probably be asking these same questions that you are. Here's the growth part, for both of us. The Bible says to bless those who despiteful use (or in your case ignore) you. It also says that you are not repay evil with evil.


So, whatever you decide to do, just have God at the center and it'll work out.


Be Blessed, bro. 

[rjthakid]

.....I can feel what're saying.....

That's all I ask.      

Oh, and again, there really isn't any decision to make.  I NEVER CONSIDERED NOT LENDING HIM THE DVD'S. 

To some of the other guys on here, a little understanding never hurt.  I now understand where Div was coming from a few months back.  It's good (no, it's GREAT) to quote the Word, but you have to bring impathy and understanding with it.
"get rid of the pride"?   Gee, thanks for the support man.   

[sjonathan02]

That's all I ask.      
 I NEVER CONSIDERED NOT LENDING HIM THE DVD'S. 

You know, I did miss this sorry. Sorry about that; gotta work on my listening eye.