Topic: AWESOME NEW STANTON MOORE ON DRUMMERWORLD! (Read 5328 times)

Audiocr381ve · « **Reply #20 on:** March 25, 2006, 04:10:10 AM »

QUOTE:
"Some folk were turned off because it wasn't Calvin. Hmph, they need to get a clue and stop faking the funk (don't answer even if you got hit by that brick)... until we learn to grow without fighting the progression we'll keep hendering the craft/art and giving more powere to some button pushing programmer that says he doesn't need a live drummer (who cannot play what he needs)."

I'm the type of guy that doesn't get all caught up in judging a drummer by how good his stick control is. Or how good his 4 way coordination is. And no listener out their cares either. You can't see stick control on a CD. Don't be all hard on the people on here who think Calvin is the greatest. To their ear, he is. Let em' do their thang. That's who they want to hear about, that's who they are loyal to. Don't forget about the music and how it's suppose to be. FUN FUN FUN FUN.

No button will take a drummers spot, because we naturally keep evolving. Look at the little youngsters, insane what they are doing these days. Who cares if they are faking the funk! It's sounds good to me and everyone else and their mom in the audience! Zoro spoke on faking the funk, but really, any drummer should play what feels good and keeps the groove in forward motion.

All you drummers, keep listening to what you want and don't feel bad because all you care about is a homies chops. If you want to work then learn how to groove the tune, but if you want to have fun, shoot, go ahead and bust out ya chops all night long. Who are you saving it for? ???

It's seems like every drummer goes through different seasons. It's starts out fun, then they get technical and start telling everybody how much they know about everything, then, after awhile, most of the time they get back to having fun. My little theory, it's what I went through and what alot of my drummer friends have went through.

Let me know what you guys think.

JFunky · « **Reply #21 on:** March 25, 2006, 09:24:59 AM »

...making music, playing musical, making the song feel good and making the musicians around you look better it's what you're supposed to do. If your band is just messing around at your house or garage than it is understood but when your at a setting where people are watching you guys and listening to you guys, you have to play for the music. If your music doesn't call for all of these chops flying everywhere then really, what are you doing? That's what makes Jeremy Haynes, Demyion Hall, Marvin McQuitty, Terry Baker, Calvin Napper and other great Gospel Drummers that I might've forgot be on the A list for best recordings in the Industry. You never know who's watching and listening out in the audience.

...Antonio Sanchez said on MD Festival '03 that when he was trying to do all of these great sounding things on the kit while playing with a band, all of the sudden his phone would not ring and he was getting some real bad looks from the musicians around him. That tells you that the word gets around quick if you don't know what you're doing. It's a work in progress for all of us but we do have some excellent examples out there and on this site and we should learn from these guys that have been there so that we don't hit that same wall.

Anyway, we must have fun in everything we do and in every situation. If not, why play?

SabianKnight · « **Reply #22 on:** March 25, 2006, 07:23:18 PM »

Music looks fun. Music causes us feel various emotions. However making music is work. Making music is a mission it is a calling it is a ministry. Nothing worth having or worth doing comes with fun as the price tag. fun does not glorify. Fun does not expand your vision. Fun does not empower. Whomever told you that fun was the objective of music (playing or learning) did you a dis service. It is the feeling of accomplishment that gives you joy. We should enjoy. Fun is a facade just as happy is.

Having fun is fullfilment and not this lackadasical crap the media and most of society is pushing which really just amounts to lack of responsibility and accountability. As an instructor and an educated musician and artist I am obligated and accountable for passing on the truth. I am not here to make you feel like aslcking is alright. This site is not here to make folk feel like slacking is alright. More than half the folk on here have made idols out some folk. A great deal of them idolize folk whom are slackers and tell them that they don't need to master their craft, study and show them elves approved, do a good work, seek wisdom/knowledge... and in all their getting get undersatnding.

I for one am have not and am not going to sit back and let folk think it is alright. Nor let anyone label me as some sort of hater or right-wing extreme for telling the straight up truth. If your feeling got hurt you should not have left them in the street "having societal fun".

The reason the church lacks foundational sound and prepared music ministers is because of this similar mentality of letting folk have "fun" and waiting on the anointing instead of being accountable for the work needed to be done.

Saying buttons will not replace drummers is a joke. Buttons have already replaced drummers in most mainstream music. The drumset player is now slave to the MPC, drum machine, sequencer that wass used to create the song they perform. In most cases it is because the most drumset players cannot physically play the complexed layed patterns used. Lack of preparation in drumset players and the overall inherit laziness/have it right now mentality that has grown with technology as made the drumset musician an endangered species if you will.

Heck it is near impossible to find a piano player these days or a keyboard player that has a left hand and doesn't use the transpose key. Virtually none of these keyboard players can play synthesizers or organs.

There is so much garbage on the radio including in the christian sector that real musicians get totally disrespected and overlooked on the daily. So much so that folk have come to except it as the norm. They think that parlor tricks such as runs and rolls are anointed even when it in the wrong key. That is not descent or in order.

Train a child in the way they should go... and I don't teach folk to be slackers. Pick up some peroxide and an ice bag at the nurses station.

gospodruma · « **Reply #23 on:** March 25, 2006, 07:32:17 PM »

Quote from: SabianKnight on March 25, 2006, 07:23:18 PM

Music looks fun. Music causes us feel various emotions. However making music is work. Making music is a mission it is a calling it is a ministry. Nothing worth having or worth doing comes with fun as the price tag. fun does not glorify. Fun does not expand your vision. Fun does not empower. Whomever told you that fun was the objective of music (playing or learning) did you a dis service. It is the feeling of accomplishment that gives you joy. We should enjoy. Fun is a facade just as happy is.

Having fun is fullfilment and not this lackadasical crap the media and most of society is pushing which really just amounts to lack of responsibility and accountability. As an instructor and an educated musician and artist I am obligated and accountable for passing on the truth. I am not here to make you feel like aslcking is alright. This site is not here to make folk feel like slacking is alright. More than half the folk on here have made idols out some folk. A great deal of them idolize folk whom are slackers and tell them that they don't need to master their craft, study and show them elves approved, do a good work, seek wisdom/knowledge... and in all their getting get undersatnding.

I for one am have not and am not going to sit back and let folk think it is alright. Nor let anyone label me as some sort of hater or right-wing extreme for telling the straight up truth. If your feeling got hurt you should not have left them in the street "having societal fun".

The reason the church lacks foundational sound and prepared music ministers is because of this similar mentality of letting folk have "fun" and waiting on the anointing instead of being accountable for the work needed to be done.

Saying buttons will not replace drummers is a joke. Buttons have already replaced drummers in most mainstream music. The drumset player is now slave to the MPC, drum machine, sequencer that wass used to create the song they perform. In most cases it is because the most drumset players cannot physically play the complexed layed patterns used. Lack of preparation in drumset players and the overall inherit laziness/have it right now mentality that has grown with technology as made the drumset musician an endangered species if you will.

Heck it is near impossible to find a piano player these days or a keyboard player that has a left hand and doesn't use the transpose key. Virtually none of these keyboard players can play synthesizers or organs.

There is so much garbage on the radio including in the christian sector that real musicians get totally disrespected and overlooked on the daily. So much so that folk have come to except it as the norm. They think that parlor tricks such as runs and rolls are anointed even when it in the wrong key. That is not descent or in order.

Train a child in the way they should go... and I don't teach folk to be slackers. Pick up some peroxide and an ice bag at the nurses station.

Some good words...some good words...He who has ears, let him hear....

Audiocr381ve · « **Reply #24 on:** March 26, 2006, 02:34:12 AM »

You seem bitter SabianKnight.

SabianKnight · « **Reply #25 on:** March 26, 2006, 04:26:37 PM »

Quote from: Audiocr381ve on March 26, 2006, 02:34:12 AM

You seem bitter SabianKnight.

I am not bitter. I just refuse to encourage mediocrity or mediocre thinking (As I pretty much stated in my previous post). When you know better you should do better. Those whom know better should teach those whom don't. Those whom are mislead should be given better direction. That is just real. I am not here to stroke egos and I don't even want mine stroked. I am not here because this ifs fun. I am here because I enjoy the craft and because their is a necessity on this forum and in the church music arena to have proper instruction/dispersement of information. I have been empowered to do so and I enjoy doing so.

Not that I have to explain myself to you or anyone else. Seems like you repeatedly want to think that where their is diligence and purpose there is a problem. More folk need to take their tasks more seriously and realize that the end result of these involve more than them.

Done.... (and this thread is not about to become a flame war).

MaestroDivine · « **Reply #26 on:** March 26, 2006, 04:43:55 PM »

You know what...

People may feel like Sabe is being over-the-top, but it's because he's adamant about musicians raising the standard. It is absolutely ridiculous how much Gospel & R n' B musicians are able to NOT know, and still be considered "great". Their is so much more to music - and I totally do NOT condone this blatant laziness on the part of so many Black musicians. Yes, that's right .... BLACK musicians. Blacks are notorious for dismissing the importance of a good education. Sorry, had to say it - its' the gospel truth. Ultimately, this mentality extends to the field of music.

Guys just want to pick up drumsticks, and beat. Not wanting to take the time to learn the fundamentals, so that they can play the instrumental properly - and understand what it is they're playing. Why wouldn't you want to know that?

PURE, UNADULTERATED, LAZINESS!

Don't say you want to be great, if you're not willing to learn what their is to know. The annointing may come from God, but so does knowledge. That includes MUSICAL knowledge. So, when you shun that, you're shunning an aspect of God. Just remember that...

You may think I'm contradicting myself, because of statements I've made on this board .. about my current feelings towards music theory. However, I'm not. I've been educated. You can't dismiss what you don't know about. I want to move on from where I am now .. into a totally different way of thinking. That requires more than a little dedication on my part.

I don't post clips on this board - 'cause I know the many of these guys ... don't want to do anything but be entertained, and bite what they hear. I've spent countless hours becoming the musicians that am today. I'm not about to share such a sacred part of myself, with individuals who don't take it as seriously as I, and some others do. I'm not talking about everyone. If you're upset right now, then I'm talking to you. See, the beautiful thing is ... you can change RIGHT THIS VERY MOMENT. You're not confined to your current lackadasical approach to music. You can do better - 'cause you've definitely been told better.

I'm done ranting...

Raise The Standard, Or Raise Up ...

~OD

JFunky · « **Reply #27 on:** March 26, 2006, 05:50:29 PM »

...Wow. Maestro "D", you are absolutely right. I'm dealing with lazy folk right now at my church who just want to learn licks and beats. They don't want to take the time to practice or listen to music or learn the origin of where the music that they're playing comes from. Wow, you guys' comments are really going to open some eyes on this board.

Audiocr381ve · « **Reply #28 on:** March 26, 2006, 06:28:33 PM »

Ahhhhhh. You're not getting it.

LEARNING LICKS AND BEATS IS NECCESSARY. LIKING AND LISTENING TO OTHER DRUMMERS WHO MIGHT BE "SLACKERS" IS PART OF THE PROCESS. Yes it's awesome you want disipline in the forums, but when you are addressing a non-mature musician, lets call him a child, you have to speak to them as if they were a child. We are obviously adults in our craft, and being an adult is really a state of mind. It's not entirely your skill, it's your motives and behavior.

What I am trying to get across is, talk to the child musician as if he were a child, and respect where he is, because you were there. You can't force a child to understand and think like an adult. You can influence what direction he might take, but ultimately, what I'm trying to get accross is that their is a process that me, you (sabe) you, (jfunky) , you (maestro) took to understanding what it's really all about. We didn't pick up a pair of sticks and know. We loved the drummers who were fast, had chops, and all that.

Don't talk like an adult to little kid. They don't understand. They don't understand yet why it's important to take our craft seriously, they don't understand the points you've made in the previous threads, they want to learn sick beats and fills and have fun. Meet them where their at just like Jesus meets us in our lives when we think we could never make it to him, and behind the scenes, help them along the way with something thats encouraging and uplifting. We always jump on the kids(analogy) who start the threads "How do I get faster." We shouldn't throw our experience on a child and get frusrated when he or she doesn't understand. Thats all I'm saying, please understand this. I don't want to start a war with you guys because you are the guys I myself am learning things from all the time.

ChannelOne · « **Reply #29 on:** March 26, 2006, 06:37:13 PM »

Quote from: MaestroDivine on March 26, 2006, 04:43:55 PM

You know what...

People may feel like Sabe is being over-the-top, but it's because he's adamant about musicians raising the standard. It is absolutely ridiculous how much Gospel & R n' B musicians are able to NOT know, and still be considered "great". Their is so much more to music - and I totally do NOT condone this blatant laziness on the part of so many Black musicians. Yes, that's right .... BLACK musicians. Blacks are notorious for dismissing the importance of a good education. Sorry, had to say it - its' the gospel truth. Ultimately, this mentality extends to the field of music.

You know, Div, it's very interesting you should say that. I've been to my share of black churches and white churches (to be honest with you, most "white" churches are really multiracial, but I'll save that for another topic), and I've seen drummers of all sorts of nationalities, and it seems like us African-Americans are not all that interested in learning anything about music. Case in point, when I see certain drummers of another color, they have everything except the kitchen sink in their stickbag. Sticks, Rakes, soft mallets, brushes (!!!), everything. A song without a backbeat comes up, out come the cymbal swells. A slow, quiet song comes up, out come the rakes or hotsticks or whatever. There are so many colors and textures coming from that corner.

Now, we go to 22nd Street Victory Deliverance Temple Cathedral Tabernacle PAW Church, where Ray-Ray Dupree is hittin' the woods and skins. Ray-Ray is considered a local legend in the area. Whenever he sits down, there's a crowd of adolecent guys circling around him, waiting to hear a "fresh 2 def" lick. A devotion song starts up.

"Victory is mine, Victory is mine, Victory today is mine..."

Ray-Ray waits, anticipating his grand enterance into the song. He starts chicking the hi-hats on 2 & 4. His crowd grows restless.

"I told satan, get ye behind. Victory today is mine."