Topic: Tired of not getting Paid? (Read 7224 times)

Da_Drumma · « **Reply #40 on:** March 31, 2006, 06:20:01 AM »

Quote from: SabianKnight on March 30, 2006, 11:30:42 PM

Let's get back on subject or else.

Someone working in the kingdon as a musician has been getting stiffed by ministers/ministries/church folk and it is not right.

If being a working musician is not your thing please don't jump into this thread. We have had way to much emotional, doctrinal banter....

Man I understand where you are coming from, but some people need to learn how to take the heat. I dosent seem like to me this thread was only directed to working musicians. I mean some people don't want to hear the truth. Every drummer is not meant to be in ministry. Just because you can keep a beat and do a whole bunch a tight stuff and hold a tight pocket dosen't mean that your are suppose to be drummer bringing in some flow. Im not here to start anything bruh, but the only thing that is going to help anyone is the truth. I understand what he was talking about and I was under a Pastor like that a little while ago, but you have to move on, and just because you had a bad experience you shouldn't move to the next expecting. He asked a simple question "Are we tired of getting paid?" I said no and I explained why and so did others. If someone is that emotional to where they cant stand to hear others opinions without going crazy they need prayer. It's like everyone always wants to hear something positive or something praising them. Anywyas my opinion is my opinion and just because this is a christian website and im achristian im going to look at everything in a christian manner. Don't forget blessings don't always come as money!!!!! Me and my wife are the first owners of a brand new 4 bedroom 3 bathroom house and we are not paying a dime for it (Blessed??

) but Im not getting paid by any of the 3 churches. So still look at the rewards God is giving you. We he was going around preaching through the streets, people offered him gifts, but alot of them were not monetory. People offered him gifts by giving him a place to stay for the night, food, and some of everything else. Man just don't take everyhting everyone says to heart, don't forget all you can do is explain your situation. Everyone is not going to know exactly how you feel inside. Even if you don't like my reply it's no hard feelings. God speaks in many different ways and my reply might help someone else, just don't take it to heart alrigh't yaaaaaaalllllllllllllllll!!!!!!!!!!!

Joshorgan · « **Reply #41 on:** March 31, 2006, 06:41:10 AM »

What doctrine? this is plain common sense. Musicians shouldn't be saying ( I'm not going to play unless you pay me). It's wrong and this is my last post on this sad topic

Da_Drumma · « **Reply #42 on:** March 31, 2006, 07:11:47 AM »

Quote from: Joshorgan on March 31, 2006, 06:41:10 AM

What doctrine? this is plain common sense. Musicians shouldn't be saying ( I'm not going to play unless you pay me). It's wrong and this is my last post on this sad topic

Man I think you are totally right!!!!!! If god was standing on a altar preaching to us we wouldn't beg him for money!!! or would we?? ??? ??? His blessings are not all monetory!!

hendoo · « **Reply #43 on:** March 31, 2006, 02:38:45 PM »

LET ME JUST SAY THIS, I GET PAID AT MY CHURCH, BUT I DIDN'T ASK THEM FOR IT, THEY SAW MY FAITHFULNESS TO THE MINISTRY 1O YEARS AGO, BUT ALSO DIFFERENT MINISTERS WHO LEFT OUR CHURCH & STARTED THERE OWN CHURCH ( OF COURSE WITH OUR PASTORS BLESSING) HAVE ASK ME TO PLAY FOR THEM & I DID, WHEN IT WAS OVER THEY TRIED TO HAND ME SOME MONEY & I REFUSED, YOU KNOW WHY, LIKE I TOLD THEM ALL THE YEARS THAT YOU SOWED INTO OUR MINISTRY & DIDN'T HAVE YOUR HAND OUT, NOW IT'S MY TURN TO SOW INTO YOUR MINISTRY, JUST TO HELP OUT, THE REASON I SAY THIS IS, MOST DRUMMERS I ASK TO FILL IN FOR ME, THIER FIRST WORDS ARE HOW MUCH WILL THEY PAY ME, YOU NEVER KNOW WHEN IT'S YOUR TURN TO SOW A SEED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

JHJr · « **Reply #44 on:** March 31, 2006, 03:39:16 PM »

THis does not include all Pastors :::this is a true question ask yourself this to end this arguement. How many Preachers refused the love gift that they recieved from the offering during a revival..??? I can say I have not seen one to this day.My thinking is this that I learned in the military: "Don't ask someone to do something that u are not willing to do yourself? How many times have you had the Pastor give just the organist a love offering during that same revival while u are just siiting there.( Basically looking stupid)! Believe me some churches have the deacons and the pastor dippin thier hands in the BUILDIN FUND. Nowadays I treat playing in churches as a buisness for my labor (Only one church will I play for free) that way they know that U are serious. and I make people I don't know sign a contract for liability when they touch my gear. It's only fair. U won't leave church all heated up . It's just my opinion if u don't like it find a better solution..

Joshorgan · « **Reply #45 on:** March 31, 2006, 04:14:35 PM »

Actually my father did it one time. He was the visiting speaker and they took up a speaker's offering. God move in a mighty way. My father gave them the money back.

JHJr · « **Reply #46 on:** March 31, 2006, 04:17:36 PM »

cool. Your dad sounds like he"s one of the few to do whats right

Joshorgan · « **Reply #47 on:** March 31, 2006, 04:19:08 PM »

I REALIZE THAT THIS TOPIC ISN"T GETTING ANYWHERE. MAN WE ARE BACK AT GROUND ZERO YA'LL

I now realize that some things are better off left alone so

BE BLESSED

MUCH LOVE FOR THE LGM FAMILY

Joshorgan · « **Reply #48 on:** March 31, 2006, 04:20:58 PM »

Yeah my dad is a pretty straight forward guy

HEY IT"S IN THE GENES

LIKE FATHER LIKE SON

Joshorgan · « **Reply #49 on:** March 31, 2006, 04:24:25 PM »

Hey JHr I agree with you that good clean pastors are very very hard to find.

We'll that's about it

FOR THE 9th TIME

Be blessed everyone

THIS IS A CONTAGIOUS THREAD(MAN I've said bye about 4 times haven't I?)

It's just so interesting. We'll anyway for sure this is indeed my very last post as I need to just let it rest

depondrums · « **Reply #50 on:** March 31, 2006, 04:46:05 PM »

Okay fellas, somebody answer me this, what happens when you come into a situation where the md is offering to pay you a certain amount per service and then when it's time to get paid, you are only getting half of your money? Plus, you go to play everytime the doors open and you give it all you got everytime out the gate and you are still getting the shaft. What do you do then? I know the easy thing to do is pack up the cymbals and sticks and bounce, but what about the fact that you are playing with a tight band and all of you are cool?

JHJr · « **Reply #51 on:** March 31, 2006, 05:23:28 PM »

U can do this a number of ways A) JACK him up on in the back of the church, GO MADEA on him and beat the hell outta him and demand that he gets right. B) Play and then leave in the middle of the song without saying a word, C) Go on strike and sit in the audience D) or one of my favorites pray and talk to the pastor because to me that seems like the MD doesn't respect u and he thinks that u need him more than he needs u so he"s going to do what he wants, beside I guarantee u that he's getting his full pay/ besides shouldn't u get paid directly (SP) by the church financial office and they give u a reciept that both parties sign. Cause he can easily pocket your other half. What I am truely saying is watch your back and don't go into a depression for this stuff.

music-samurai · « **Reply #52 on:** March 31, 2006, 07:40:20 PM »

Quote from: JHJr on March 31, 2006, 05:23:28 PM

U can do this a number of ways A) JACK him up on in the back of the church, GO MADEA on him and beat the hell outta him and demand that he gets right. B) Play and then leave in the middle of the song without saying a word, C) Go on strike and sit in the audience D) or one of my favorites pray and talk to the pastor because to me that seems like the MD doesn't respect u and he thinks that u need him more than he needs u so he"s going to do what he wants, beside I guarantee u that he's getting his full pay/ besides shouldn't u get paid directly (SP) by the church financial office and they give u a reciept that both parties sign. Cause he can easily pocket your other half. What I am truely saying is watch your back and don't go into a depression for this stuff.

Good word

hendoo · « **Reply #53 on:** March 31, 2006, 09:14:19 PM »

HEY JHJR, MY PASTOR PREACHED THIS PAST SUNDAY @ ONE OF HIS SON'S IN THE MINISRTY CHURCH, & HE TOOK ONE OFFERING & THAT WAS FOR THE CHURCH , HE WALKED AWAY WITH NOTHING, & ANY OF YALL MIAMI DRUMMERS OUT THERE, BISHOP VICTOR CURRY CAME TO ANOTHER OF OUR CHURCHES HERE N D.C. & DID NOT TAKE , I SAY THIS AGAIN, DID NOT TAKE$$ 5,000 DOLLARS THAT WAS DUE HIM, THE REASON, HE SAID THE SAME THING, IT'S HIS TURN TO SOW A SEED , YOU NEVER KNOW WHEN YOU MAY NEED A HELPING HAND

music-samurai · « **Reply #54 on:** March 31, 2006, 09:30:37 PM »

Quote from: hendoo on March 31, 2006, 09:14:19 PM

HEY JHJR, MY PASTOR PREACHED THIS PAST SUNDAY @ ONE OF HIS SON'S IN THE MINISRTY CHURCH, & HE TOOK ONE OFFERING & THAT WAS FOR THE CHURCH , HE WALKED AWAY WITH NOTHING, & ANY OF YALL MIAMI DRUMMERS OUT THERE, BISHOP VICTOR CURRY CAME TO ANOTHER OF OUR CHURCHES HERE N D.C. & DID NOT TAKE , I SAY THIS AGAIN, DID NOT TAKE$$ 5,000 DOLLARS THAT WAS DUE HIM, THE REASON, HE SAID THE SAME THING, IT'S HIS TURN TO SOW A SEED , YOU NEVER KNOW WHEN YOU MAY NEED A HELPING HAND

What does this have to do with musicians not getting paid! ??? ??? ??? Stay on the subject please.

hendoo · « **Reply #55 on:** March 31, 2006, 09:54:29 PM »

YOU'RE RIGHT, MY BAD!!!!!!!!!

waydrummer · « **Reply #56 on:** April 01, 2006, 05:56:16 PM »

Music-samurai I tired of not getting paid what should I do?

music-samurai · « **Reply #57 on:** April 01, 2006, 06:35:50 PM »

Quote from: waydrummer on April 01, 2006, 05:56:16 PM

Music-samurai I tired of not getting paid what should I do?

Get paid upfront! Get money! Get money! Get money! Its all about the...naw Im just playin. But for real, get your money up front.

jhaynes · « **Reply #58 on:** April 03, 2006, 12:58:46 AM »

I would suggest a few things
1. When they call you, or ask you to come and play.
A) Ask all the questions you think you should ask. Like,
1. How many rehersals are there?
2. Do I have to bring my gear?
3. How long is the gig / service?
4. How much is it paying?
5. How many songs?
All these questions determine what you should charge.
And the second you hear these words spoken, "Awwwww man don't worry about it I'll take care of you, you'll get paid!" RUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUN AS FAR AS YOU CAN SEE!!!!!! $:-\$ or just simply say :oNO!!!! See people will only do what you let them do! I say NO! To stuff all the time and most of the reasons I say NO! Is not because the money is wrong, but because the person is wrong! Anytime someone ur doing buisness with is not upfront with you, for example,
1. If they don't look you in the eyes and talk to you, DON'T BELIEVE A WORD THEY SAY!
2. Anyone that never gets to the point of the buisness or expectations of the job, DON'T BELIEVE A WORD THEY SAY!
3. Ecspecially ya "Boys" make dem dudes keep it real with you about everything concerning the buisness!
4. And people that can't ever make up their minds about what they want "Watch them 2!"
But also remember some things you should do strictly based on relationships. I've said many of times on this forum, that relationships mean everything is this buisness, so be wise about how you do ur buisness and careful about the relationships you subject urself too. My Mom once told me, "Never get involved with someone that has less to loose than you do!"

and never forget this, Its ok to say, "No I'm good but Thanx for asking!" Fellas All opportunities aren't good opportunities and all good opportunities aren't GOD! opportunities! I Love you guys, and I'm praying for you! And you should be tired!

SabianKnight · « **Reply #59 on:** April 03, 2006, 01:16:30 AM »

Quote from: jhaynes on April 03, 2006, 12:58:46 AM

I would suggest a few things
1. When they call you, or ask you to come and play.
A) Ask all the questions you think you should ask. Like,
1. How many rehersals are there?
2. Do I have to bring my gear?
3. How long is the gig / service?
4. How much is it paying?
5. How many songs?
All these questions determine what you should charge.
And the second you hear these words spoken, "Awwwww man don't worry about it I'll take care of you, you'll get paid!" RUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUN AS FAR AS YOU CAN SEE!!!!!! $:-\$ or just simply say :oNO!!!! See people will only do what you let them do! I say NO! To stuff all the time and most of the reasons I say NO! Is not because the money is wrong, but because the person is wrong! Anytime someone ur doing buisness with is not upfront with you, for example,
1. If they don't look you in the eyes and talk to you, DON'T BELIEVE A WORD THEY SAY!
2. Anyone that never gets to the point of the buisness or expectations of the job, DON'T BELIEVE A WORD THEY SAY!
3. Ecspecially ya "Boys" make dem dudes keep it real with you about everything concerning the buisness!
4. And people that can't ever make up their minds about what they want "Watch them 2!"
But also remember some things you should do strictly based on relationships. I've said many of times on this forum, that relationships mean everything is this buisness, so be wise about how you do ur buisness and careful about the relationships you subject urself too. My Mom once told me, "Never get involved with someone that has less to loose than you do!" and never forget this, Its ok to say, "No I'm good but Thanx for asking!" Fellas All opportunities aren't good opportunities and all good opportunities aren't GOD! opportunities! I Love you guys, and I'm praying for you! And you should be tired!

THANK YOU FOR THOSE WISE WORDS OF EXPERIENCE. ESPECIALLY THE PART ABOUT GOD OPERTUNITIES.......

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