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Re: GOOD QUESTION 4 YA
« Reply #40 on: May 29, 2006, 02:59:29 AM »
Nothing skimmed.  God calls us to speak the truth in love.  This is different from judgement.  Judging one another is pretenting to be able to say whether or not one of us is saved or will go to heaven, which scripture tells us is the job of God alone.  But the scripture also says:

I Corinthians 6:2

Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if you are to judge the world, are you not competent to judge trivial cases?

And since you mention *context*, if you read 1st Corinthians 6, it talks about men holding other believers accountable.  Which brings me to:

Galatians 6:1-2

Brothers, if someone is caught in a sin, you who are spiritual should restore him gently. But watch yourself, or you also may be tempted. Carry each other's burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the law of Christ.

We are called to hold each other accountable, as well as ourselves, according to God's word.  If we weren't, people could do anything they wanted as long as they told others not to "judge" them.  But correcting according to the principles of scripture isn't judgement.  It's our duty as brothers and sisters in Christ.

James 5:19-20

My brothers, if one of you should wander from the truth and someone should bring him back, remember this: Whoever turns a sinner from the error of his way will save him from death and cover over a multitude of sins.

Now, we are all sinners, myself included.  I never claimed to be perfect.  I hold myself to the same standards, so there are plenty of things I won't play in a service out of respect for God's house.  So I'm not being condescending; I treat myself the same way I would treat anybody else.

One more verse, Hebrews 12:28-19

Therefore, since we are receiving a kingdom that cannot be shaken, let us be thankful, and so worship God acceptably with reverence and awe.

As musicians, what we play should show reverence and awe of the glory of Christ.  This means that worship service is not a time for us to try to gain approval from anyone, but a time for us to communicate with God and help our brothers and sisters to do the same.  So I ask the question again that nobody answered...  When you're sitting in a church service and you hear a cartoon theme song tossed in, does that help you comunicate with God or does it put your mind on what the organist is doing?

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Re: GOOD QUESTION 4 YA
« Reply #41 on: May 29, 2006, 08:04:16 AM »
Nothing skimmed.  God calls us to speak the truth in love.  This is different from judgement.  Judging one another is pretenting to be able to say whether or not one of us is saved or will go to heaven, which scripture tells us is the job of God alone.  But the scripture also says:


As musicians, what we play should show reverence and awe of the glory of Christ.  This means that worship service is not a time for us to try to gain approval from anyone, but a time for us to communicate with God and help our brothers and sisters to do the same.  So I ask the question again that nobody answered...  When you're sitting in a church service and you hear a cartoon theme song tossed in, does that help you comunicate with God or does it put your mind on what the organist is doing?



well your making the judgement based off a few post here that we add jingles or hits to shout music bcuz we want attention since you dont know why we do it for a fact you did indeed pass judgement. matter of fact  i can also say your passing judgement on the church goers by saying you automatically know thier FOCUS on God would be broken

most new age church musicians not all probaly could care less about someone giving them approval which to one degree is unforunate.

did you know the family fued song is on the new tye tribbett cd?

we did answer the question if your focus on God is that easily broken then someone needs a 1 on 1

if what we put in a shout wasnt a jingle and we did it would you then consider us taking everyone attention off of God?

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Re: GOOD QUESTION 4 YA
« Reply #42 on: May 29, 2006, 11:09:46 AM »
Alright, so why do you do it then?  If it's not for your own personal reasons and not for other people to hear and recognize.  I ask honestly because I'm curious to know why you're so eager to put these things in.

Most new age church musicians could care less about someone giving them approval?  Then why are they always talking about who is better than who, who has sicker runs than who, and posting videos of crazy chops to get props, etc. etc like it's Jazz.  I don't know, seems like this generation of musicians is looking for more approval than ever.

Also I don't think being distracted by a cartoon theme song means your focus is "easily broken".  Stuff like that usually makes people look over at the organ right away.  And I know you've heard people after service like "did you hear what bro put in the shout?".  If not you probably go to a very special church, because I've seen this kind of stuff go on at many different places.  As a musician you have the power to grab people's attention if you choose.

And to answer your last question, no I don't think it's just jingles.  To me anything that distracts people and grabs attention at a time when people are supposed to be worshipping is out of place.  It could be Jurassic Park or it could just be a huge fill or lick that didn't belong.  And like I said, I hold myself to the same standard, so I'm not saying anything I wouldn't follow myself. 

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Re: GOOD QUESTION 4 YA
« Reply #43 on: May 29, 2006, 01:46:27 PM »
oh and by the way, have a blessed memorial day and get you some barbeque :D

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Re: GOOD QUESTION 4 YA
« Reply #44 on: May 29, 2006, 03:03:49 PM »
Alright, so why do you do it then?  If it's not for your own personal reasons and not for other people to hear and recognize.  I ask honestly because I'm curious to know why you're so eager to put these things in.

Most new age church musicians could care less about someone giving them approval?  Then why are they always talking about who is better than who, who has sicker runs than who, and posting videos of crazy chops to get props, etc. etc like it's Jazz.  I don't know, seems like this generation of musicians is looking for more approval than ever.

Also I don't think being distracted by a cartoon theme song means your focus is "easily broken".  Stuff like that usually makes people look over at the organ right away.  And I know you've heard people after service like "did you hear what bro put in the shout?".  If not you probably go to a very special church, because I've seen this kind of stuff go on at many different places.  As a musician you have the power to grab people's attention if you choose.

And to answer your last question, no I don't think it's just jingles.  To me anything that distracts people and grabs attention at a time when people are supposed to be worshipping is out of place.  It could be Jurassic Park or it could just be a huge fill or lick that didn't belong.  And like I said, I hold myself to the same standard, so I'm not saying anything I wouldn't follow myself. 



Great stuff, codewarrior. Your first line of this latest post sums it all up right there.
Despite our communication technology, no invention is as effective as the sound of the human voice.

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Re: GOOD QUESTION 4 YA
« Reply #45 on: May 30, 2006, 01:49:06 AM »
if i were to do it, it to me is just a creativity thing. i posted a shout that i did on here and there is no jingle in it and i recorded it at my home which mean i had complete freedom as to anyway i wanted to do it. i thank God for the creative mind he gave me and if He Were to Say Mike dont play that way i would stop immediately

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Re: GOOD QUESTION 4 YA
« Reply #46 on: May 30, 2006, 08:28:33 AM »
I again question your interpretation.

Codewarrior, you quote:

I Corinthians 6:2

Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if you are to judge the world, are you not competent to judge trivial cases?


Judging trivial cases and judging each other (which was strictly banned in Romans 14:10) are two different things.

You quote:

Galatians 6:1-2

Brothers, if someone is caught in a sin, you who are spiritual should restore him gently. But watch yourself, or you also may be tempted. Carry each other's burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the law of Christ.


The word here is "sin"  using SportsCenter to finish a shout is "SIN"?  That's a reach.  At BEST it's a judgement call.

You quote:

James 5:19-20

My brothers, if one of you should wander from the truth and someone should bring him back, remember this: Whoever turns a sinner from the error of his way will save him from death and cover over a multitude of sins.


This is the King James version of James 5:19-20:

19  Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;

20  Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.


"Err from the truth" is in referrence to backsliding, which is evident in the next verse which states "he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death".  Again, not applicable here.

Finally you quote:

Hebrews 12:28-29
Therefore, since we are receiving a kingdom that cannot be shaken, let us be thankful, and so worship God acceptably with reverence and awe.


Worshipping God acceptably with reverence and awe is a personal thing.  No one else can tell me if I am or if I am not.  It's not something that can't be put in a box.  It's individual to every believer.

We could go back and forth on this till Jesus comes.  Doesn't make much sense to beat this one to death.  It's a matter of personal preference that's been used and embraced by thousands of Organists.  If done SUBTLY and in the flow of Shouting music, it won't distract anyone.  There are some of you who disagree.  That's fine.  I'll just let you oooooh and aaaaaaaah when I do it

 :D  :D  :D

We'll have to agree to disagree on this one.

One love.

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Re: GOOD QUESTION 4 YA
« Reply #47 on: May 30, 2006, 09:34:46 PM »
I again question your interpretation.

Codewarrior, you quote:

I Corinthians 6:2

Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if you are to judge the world, are you not competent to judge trivial cases?


Judging trivial cases and judging each other (which was strictly banned in Romans 14:10) are two different things.

Well then keep reading:

I Corthians 6:3-5

Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more the things of this life! Therefore, if you have disputes about such matters, appoint as judges even men of little account in the church![a] I say this to shame you. Is it possible that there is nobody among you wise enough to judge a dispute between believers?

The judging that is forbidden is the judging of whether or not someone is or will be saved, which only God realy knows.  However, when it comes to judging of issues we are not only allowed to do it, we are *instructed* to do so.  Because if we do it truthfully and in love, it is this way that we keep each other strong in Christ.

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Re: GOOD QUESTION 4 YA
« Reply #48 on: May 30, 2006, 09:54:32 PM »
So again to clairfy, we are talking about whether or not the *action* of doing this stuff is appropriate for worship service, as an *issue*.  That means it applies to you, me, and everybody else.  Nobody is judging whether one specific persons' soul belongs to God.

And creativity isn't a reason, it's a tool.  Your creativity is a gift from God, but it's how and where you use it that matters.  If you are just messing around at home like you said musiqisme, then we are talking about something else.  Like I said before, a jam session or something like that is another thing entirely.  I was talking about actual shouting in church service.

rjthakid you already gave an example of somebody playing inspector gadget in church and it clearly distracting other people.  That's exactly what I'm talking about :D
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