Professional Transposers.....

[Bruh Kell]

Transposing is for beat makers..........you know those guys who go into the studio and produce garbage.

That provides a good enough explanation as to why live hip hop performances are played with "background music" instead of live bands.

It also explains why "hip hop beats" sound so dry and repetitive to most of us real musicians.

Learning all the keys builds you into a musicain. A better musician.

[under13]

Having a musician that cant play in almost every key is  kinda like having a preacher who doesnt know most of the books in the Bible.

I would bet that if a church would hear a keyboardist play and he / she tore it up every Sunday no matter what key they were in, they would not care if the transpose button was used and quite frankly, neither does God.

True, Until they go to another church as a guest and there is an organ with no transpose, Then the whole church would be embarassed

[Bruh Kell]

Let me just add.

I will not say that Transposing is not a salvation concerning issue.

All I really mean to say is that people choose not to master their craft these days and transposing is another one of those easy ways out.

And theeasy way out takes away from any experience.

[amandaag]

transposing is not really a good thing to use if you want to play in every other key. Transposing is actually "cheating" in a sense and it also "exposes your REAL skills" if you know what i mean.

[Metronome]

Maybe its just me.............but the all the keys are not hard!!!!!! It just takes time to get used to them.  When I first started playing, my church was singing in only the black keys.  I was practicing in my naturals but wasn't really using them UNTIL i got to college.  My church is heavy on P&W so I had to know my E's and A's.  It took some adjusting because of familiarity, not difficulty.  A couple of friends of mine have gotten straight up FIRED for not knowing their keys. One of them was a BEAST!!!!! After that he eventually took the time to learn his keys....nowhe is an absolute monster......learning your keys is the only way to be th best.......PERIOD!

[Wolfram]

This is a drum that will get beaten to death.  There is no sense even discussing this issue any longer    There are what, 5 pages of folks either for or against and no one can come to any sense of common ground.  So, I think you do what you gotta do.  Don't worry about what the other guy is doing and be happy with what you are happy with.  If you have the drive to learn to tear it up in the twelve, then do so and be all you can be.  If music is on a lesser level, do what you must to play but look for way to always improve.  Either way, the discussion here is clearly a mountain of lead and really should not warrant anymore bandwidth... 

Peace,

Wolf

[Shopharim]

...  I'm a L.A.T. (Levite Against Transposing.....ROTF)  ...

Welcome to the family.

For all of you who are MDs or MOMs, would you hire me if I could on play in 3 keys?

One hint for becoming a L.A.T.  Stop thinking of music in terms of 12 keys and starting thinking about 88.

In HIS service and yours,

Ralph D. Moore

http://www.sottm.com

P.S. THE holiday CD you must have is at http://www.cdbaby.com/ralphmoore2

[Shopharim]

DUH.  Forgot to mention I'm a trumpet player.

Knowing that, would you hire me if I only could play in 3 keys?

[Runs_N_12_Keys]

Welcome to the family.

For all of you who are MDs or MOMs, would you hire me if I could on play in 3 keys?

One hint for becoming a L.A.T.  Stop thinking of music in terms of 12 keys and starting thinking about 88.

In HIS service and yours,

Ralph D. Moore

http://www.sottm.com

P.S. THE holiday CD you must have is at http://www.cdbaby.com/ralphmoore2

L.A.T  4 Life...

What's up Chief!!

[MrSparrow]

L.A.T. are n da house!!!!

I know I aint been in here in a minute but...

LEARN YO CRAFT!!!!!!

MrSparrow

[PianoWizard]

Welcome to the LGM family "Shopharim".....Be Blessed.

PianoWiz...

[Shopharim]

Welcome to the LGM family "Shopharim".....Be Blessed.

PianoWiz...

Thank you.  Glad to be in the number.

'sup Runs?

Spar-ROOOOOOOOOW

[Runs_N_12_Keys]

Thank you.  Glad to be in the number.

'sup Runs?

Spar-ROOOOOOOOOW

Hey What's up Bro!!

What's going on with the Phone Shed.. It's this Wednesday right?

[blessings101]

First of all, I was kidding!  I wasn't attacking him. 

Secondly, by comparing telling someone who ONLY PLAYS IN C not to transpose, to telling Twinkie not to do a studio project, you're clearly not thinking straight.

I think that just musicians period, u just gotta watch what u say to them. Even tho u joking, music is a very detailed and time consuming gift that not every has grasped yet.  Some ppl just use the transpose button b/c it makes them comfortable until they believe that they can fluently play in every key.  I truly believe EVERY musician has used the transpose button some time or another, but when it comes to saying stuff to other musicians i just network and ask like how long they been playing blah blah blah, exchanges names and call it a day, b/c u will find out very early that some musicians are VERY big on their EGO with not using transpose til they don't even know, they really dont sound good not using it b/c they haven't practiced enough.

[4hisglory]

Some ppl just use the transpose button b/c it makes them comfortable until they believe that they can fluently play in every key.

Do you really believe that??

  I truly believe EVERY musician has used the transpose button some time or another

I will ask the "Trumpet player" does he transpose next time I see him.

[Shopharim]

 

Actually, most trumpets come with 3 transpose buttons (also known as valves).

[blessings101]

Do you really believe that??

I will ask the "Trumpet player" does he transpose next time I see him.

Well i meant every keyboard player...lol but seriously tho, i do believe that b/c i know for me myself until i knew every chord of every key, transposing was essential to me.  It wasn't that i didn't know my scales or keys, i just didn't wanna get someone who sang in D natural which is rare, and i knew that was a hard key for me to play in, and he go me fumbling around for chords that i don't remember so until then, transposing brought me a long ways, and i would think they still put transpose or note shift on keyboards for a very good reason

[Wolfram]

Also playing saxophone....  Knowing how to play a single line instrument is different than one that harmonizes with itself.  Make a mistake on Brass or woodwinds and you are only a single note away from a reasonable right note.  Playing a chordal instrument is not quite as simplistic in the approach.  You are in fact playing multiple linear lines.  So, if a brother wants to chime in and say it is equally difficult to play in all twelve keys on a brass axe as it is on a multi layered keyed one, I would question if he actually ever sat down and looked at his theory past the melody line.  Harmony study is what it takes to play keys...

I, for one, found a completely new, and deep respect for the key players after jumping into that arena.  You have to look at all the layers of the cake being served not just where to place your musical icing. 

Wolf

[Wolfram]

Do you really believe that??

I will ask the "Trumpet player" does he transpose next time I see him.

Trumpets come in Bb, A and C.  There is also a piccolo....  I guess you can say, yes they also have transposition options.  Just as a saxophone comes in Bb, Eb or the rare C melody....

[4hisglory]

I was sitting here thinking:

Musicians that transpose are like athletes that use Steroids.  From the outside they look the same, but actually they have an unfair advantage. 

Maybe there should be a sanctioning body to help regular this.