Professional Transposers.....

[T-Block]

Transposing is taking the easy way out.  You not really learning or growing much cuz u stuck using the same keys.  Most transposers ONLY play on keyboards cuz they know if u put them on a piano or organ, they garbage.

Playing in all keys is hard and not everybody is willing to put in the time and work it takes to accomplish this.  The average keyboard player in this day and time is lazy and impatient.  I commend all those who serious bout their craft and put in the time and dedication it takes to learn to play in every key.

I truly believe EVERY musician has used the transpose button some time or another,

I beg to differ.  My dad plays the keyboard and he has never used transpose in his life.  He didn't even know what the transpose button was until I told him about it. 

[Runs_N_12_Keys]

I was sitting here thinking:

Musicians that transpose are like athletes that use Steroids.  From the outside they look the same, but actually they have an unfair advantage. 

Maybe there should be a sanctioning body to help regular this.

Haaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!

NICE Metaphor..

[4hisglory]

Haaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!

NICE Metaphor..

Glad you like.

[Ladyn]

Transposing is taking the easy way out.  You not really learning or growing much cuz u stuck using the same keys.  Most transposers ONLY play on keyboards cuz they know if u put them on a piano or organ, they garbage.

Playing in all keys is hard and not everybody is willing to put in the time and work it takes to accomplish this.  The average keyboard player in this day and time is lazy and impatient.  I commend all those who serious bout their craft and put in the time and dedication it takes to learn to play in every key.

I beg to differ.  My dad plays the keyboard and he has never used transpose in his life.  He didn't even know what the transpose button was until I told him about it. 

I beg to differ too. I have never used that button and never will.  My Aunt has been playing the organ and Piano for about 40 years and she has Never used one either!!!  So everybody does not use it.  I can say that I play with a muscian that uses it and it is annoying when they for get to change back!!

[Wolfram]

I beg to differ too. I have never used that button and never will.  My Aunt has been playing the organ and Piano for about 40 years and she has Never used one either!!!  So everybody does not use it.  I can say that I play with a muscian that uses it and it is annoying when they for get to change back!!

Well that has nothing to do with using the transpose button but more to do with not paying attention to things.  IF and this a big IF, you are going to use this feature then you should have enough common sense to reset things after you are finished.  It is not difficult...

[Rjthakid]

It's one thing to use the Transpose when somebody gets up and starts singing Total Praise, in a service, in a key you don't know.  It's another thing to sit in REHEARSAL and Transpose because you have no real intention of learning.

Oh, and my wife and I went to another church for a concert they were having, and I got on the Organ to accompany her when they asked her for a selection.

The song she sang: Total Praise....in F#.

She did NOT tell me she was going to sing this.  It was a little rough the first time through(I'll admit it), but after that it was smooth sailing. 

It's a beautiful thing to see a great player just switch seamlessly to different keys without missing a beat.  That's where I want to get.

[ddw4e]

It's one thing to use the Transpose when somebody gets up and starts singing Total Praise, in a service, in a key you don't know.  It's another thing to sit in REHEARSAL and Transpose because you have no real intention of learning.

Oh, and my wife and I went to another church for a concert they were having, and I got on the Organ to accompany her when they asked her for a selection.

The song she sang: Total Praise....in F#.

She did NOT tell me she was going to sing this.  It was a little rough the first time through(I'll admit it), but after that it was smooth sailing. 

It's a beautiful thing to see a great player just switch seamlessly to different keys without missing a beat.  That's where I want to get.

I love challenges like that! I may play the song in it's orginial key but when you play for someone else and they are in another key, man I can do something with it, especially when I never practice it in other keys. I feel that I don't ahve to because I know my progressions to these songs and no matter what key you are in, it's the same numbers, jusr different keys!

[Rjthakid]

I was sitting here thinking:

Musicians that transpose are like athletes that use Steroids. 
From the outside they look the same, but actually they have an unfair advantage. 
Maybe there should be a sanctioning body to help regular this.

Man, this is now my MOTTO!!!

[4hisglory]

Be careful, you will not have to many musicians saying that

[Wolfram]

How many people here can read musical notation?

How many play by ear only?

How many of you have to be SHOWN how to do something because you can't read music?

B3wannabe made a valid point...  If you cannot pickup sheet music and play it, then you really have no business harping about "Learning your Craft" here...  Fair is fair afterall...  While someone's strengths may be in playing in twelve keys 'by ear'.  I can do the same by notation...  I sometimes need help the the gospel area because it is so new and the Voicings are so different...  I would like to see how many are willing to throw stones at others when they themselves are standing in glass houses....

[T-Block]

How many people here can read musical notation?

I can.  Sheet music, playing by ear, it don't matter to me.  I don't like people who transpose, but I do understand them.  One thing that I don't understand is a person who has been playing for a long time using transpose for every single doggone song.  That is just pathethic.  And I run into musicians all the time who transpose every song.

[Rjthakid]

One thing that I don't understand is a person who has been playing for a long time using transpose for every single doggone song. 

In Jesus Name....Amen.

[Wolfram]

I can.  Sheet music, playing by ear, it don't matter to me.  I don't like people who transpose, but I do understand them.  One thing that I don't understand is a person who has been playing for a long time using transpose for every single doggone song.  That is just pathethic.  And I run into musicians all the time who transpose every song.

 I agree with you.  As I grew into the gospel way of voicing, so did my feel for playing in multiple keys.  I can play in in all twelve when playing jazz but I am still having a little trouble with the voicings in some of the more 'vigorous' keys. )  I keep practicing the progressions in those keys and will cut away the need to use that crutch soon.  I just do not want to hurt the worship service by fumbling.  I am close.  Now, if they want to play Giant Steps or A Train in all twelve, I am on it..

The awkwardness is in the left hand / right hand polytonal thinking.  I play bass usually with my left and chord / play melody with my right in jazz.  Anyway, as I learn the ne need for the cursed cheat button diminishes.  Until then, I encourage everyone to take a break and work on something they are lacking on.  Reading music, playing well with others, patience....

Wolf

[3rd-Day]

Okay this is getting sickening.   I just saw one of my (use to be)  favorite board players on a DVD playing everything in C# even the song that was in Ab.  I was braggin on this guy too, because his placement is so tasteful.   Im wondering if he transposed for recording purposes. Either way im sick.    I learned a song with a keyboard solo that I heard him do supposedly in A. It took me a minute to get it too. But now im thinking that he may have cheated.     I just watched a TBN special with Stevie Wonder singing and he says lets got to D, every musician except the Bass and drums dropped out of the song.   Learn yours keys John Brownit!!

[T-Block]

I just watched a TBN special with Stevie Wonder singing and he says lets got to D, every musician except the Bass and drums dropped out of the song.  

That's the old reality check, gets people everytime.

[Rjthakid]

Okay this is getting sickening.   I just saw one of my (use to be)  favorite board players on a DVD playing everything in C# even the song that was in Ab.  I was braggin on this guy too, because his placement is so tasteful.   Im wondering if he transposed for recording purposes. Either way im sick.    I learned a song with a keyboard solo that I heard him do supposedly in A. It took me a minute to get it too. But now im thinking that he may have cheated.     I just watched a TBN special with Stevie Wonder singing and he says lets got to D, every musician except the Bass and drums dropped out of the song.   Learn yours keys John Brownit!!

I can see that happening if you've only been playing for a year or two, but I'd ASSUME the guys playing on TBN are professionals.  That's a  shame. 

[3rd-Day]

I can see that happening if you've only been playing for a year or two, but I'd ASSUME the guys playing on TBN are professionals.  That's a  shame. 

You can witness it here. Here is the link. I still enjoyed the perfomance cause Stevie is my dude and I absolutely love playing this song.  Check out his scales on the Harmonnica. Despite the small discrepancy, its still great to watch Stevie go all the way in. 

http://www.godtube.com/view_video.php?viewkey=86faab11f648a07867d8

[PianoWizard]

You can witness it here. Here is the link. I still enjoyed the perfomance cause Stevie is my dude and I absolutely love playing this song.  Check out his scales on the Harmonnica. Despite the small discrepancy, its still great to watch Stevie go all the way in. 

http://www.godtube.com/view_video.php?viewkey=86faab11f648a07867d8

Thanks for the link "3rd-Day".....I simply loved this rendition. Good Stuff.

PianoWiz...

[T-Block]

You can witness it here. Here is the link.

http://www.godtube.com/view_video.php?viewkey=86faab11f648a07867d8

WOW, you were right, Stevie said let's go to D, and the bass player and drums was the only one playing.  That was so pathetic, you could see the reaction from the crowd, they like "What the heck happened to the other instrument players?"  Even the guitar player dropped out, when the guitar and bass is basically one big key.

[3rd-Day]

Welcome to the family.

For all of you who are MDs or MOMs, would you hire me if I could on play in 3 keys?

One hint for becoming a L.A.T.  Stop thinking of music in terms of 12 keys and starting thinking about 88.

In HIS service and yours,

Ralph D. Moore

http://www.sottm.com

P.S. THE holiday CD you must have is at http://www.cdbaby.com/ralphmoore2

If you played keys or organ, NO I would not hire you. I would not allow the house to suffer in my absence.  I had an organist audtition for me this past Sunday that could only play in C. We have the original B3 with tubes in it, and a starter. 

How many people here can read musical notation?

How many play by ear only?

How many of you have to be SHOWN how to do something because you can't read music?

B3wannabe made a valid point...  If you cannot pickup sheet music and play it, then you really have no business harping about "Learning your Craft" here...  Fair is fair afterall...  While someone's strengths may be in playing in twelve keys 'by ear'.  I can do the same by notation...  I sometimes need help the the gospel area because it is so new and the Voicings are so different...  I would like to see how many are willing to throw stones at others when they themselves are standing in glass houses....

I sometimes shed with a Jazz Fake Book and more recently a Hymn book. I had to cut back on the Hanon excercises because I got addicted to them and almost tore my hands up.  I dont transpose, I never have. Im from the school of hard knocks where there was no Praise Team or rehearsals, just Devotional service. And you had to know your keys, if somebody started singing "What a Mighty God" in A.

I never asked to be shown something because I couldnt read. For 5 years I was at a church with a full band, horns and flutes and I was the only one that couldnt read music. The MD would look at me and say dont worry you'll get this.  A lot of times they looked to me for help because gospel sheet music dont show you everything and its not always accurate.   At first it was a compliment because my ear was that good.  But watching them during musician rehearsals walking back and forth with their highlighters, shiny sharpened #2 pencils tucked behind their ears, making notes on their sheet music, talking their "little conceited sheet music talk" all over my head  LOL made me feel left out......... and unprofessional.    So I learned to read .....................................th en they started hating.