Professional Transposers.....

[T-Block]

With all the energy that has been expended on this thread, has anyone started a thread to help people learn a new key?  How about someone jumping in a starting a Key a week thread?  Post tunes, post worksheets or chord progressions or scale patterns to help get your key challenged brothers and sisters out of their ruts?  I place this back in your court...

Interesting challenge Mr. Wolfram.  I just might start something like this one day.   

[rayjohnson83]

hmmm...  semantics....

I still say that all of this talk is the kettle calling the pot black, so to speak.  There are many talents in music.  Some people can actually read music.  There is nothing written that you can place in front of them that they cannot play...  They are BRILLIANT, VIRTUOSIC even as players...  Turn out the lights and the music stops....  Then you have others that can play by ear.  They can play anything under the sun as long as it is by ear.  Place a piece of sheet music in front of them and tell them to play it as written and the music STOPS.  Both musicians can tear it up in all twelve keys.  Both musicians allow their own personal egos to swell to the point that they truly BELIEVE that all it takes to truly be ALL THAT in music is to play in twelve keys.  Neither really get the true meaning of what music is about.  So focused are they on their own internal greatness that they miss the big picture.  Music does not need either of them to continue...  Music choses its own instruments.  The five year old girl giving her first piano lesson, the 85 year old man singing praises to God.  Music choses its own way to comunicate, Man places ego there to complicate things.

I allowed myself to get wrapped up in the other thread about transposing here on this site.  I prayed about how all of this made me feel.  How some of the comments made me feel and how I thought threads likes these fit into a site that was here to help people learn.

Many here sit in the comfort of our homes or offices dealing armchair judgements to people that we have never seen, heard or met.  To claim superiority to another in this venue is vain at the least and egotistical for sure.  All we really have here is a group of 'fantasy' contacts that fling ideas around.  I would love to see all this energy actually go towards helping people LEARN something instead of dealing out judgements.  With all the energy that has been expended on this thread, has anyone started a thread to help people learn a new key?  How about someone jumping in a starting a Key a week thread?  Post tunes, post worksheets or chord progressions or scale patterns to help get your key challenged brothers and sisters out of their ruts?  I place this back in your court...

WHAT HE SAID!

[themidiroom]

I would love to see all this energy actually go towards helping people LEARN something instead of dealing out judgements.  With all the energy that has been expended on this thread, has anyone started a thread to help people learn a new key?  How about someone jumping in a starting a Key a week thread? 

Well said.
May the Lord watch.......   

[rayjohnson83]

Well said.
May the Lord watch.......   

[Rjthakid]

I would love to see all this energy actually go towards helping people LEARN something instead of dealing out judgements.  With all the energy that has been expended on this thread, has anyone started a thread to help people learn a new key?  How about someone jumping in a starting a Key a week thread?  Post tunes, post worksheets or chord progressions or scale patterns to help get your key challenged brothers and sisters out of their ruts?  I place this back in your court...

Are you kidding?

There is enough theory on this site ALONE that anyone who is motivated to play in every key can do so.

As a matter of fact, if you look only at T-Blocks posts, there is enough theory and practice material to fill a book.

Key-wiz has posted SICK chords in ALL KEYS.  (I should know.  I printed them all!!!)

And even if this wasn't the case, if someone truly WANTED to play in E, all it would take is maybe one month of playing only in E, and applying all the sick stuff they know in Db/Ab/Eb to E.  Just one month practicing only in E.

Yet there are dudes who have been playing for 10 years and transpose EVERYTHING to one key!!!!!!

I'm not talking about the people who are just learning Wolfram.  I'm talking about the cats who have been playing for years and years and years and still CAN'T play in 9 of the 12 Major keys!!!!!!

I believe that you can play.  I believe you're serious about music.  Not everybody is like you.

[Wolfram]

I am talking about someone creating a lesson by lesson tutorial from the ground up, but hey maybe it is easier to just complain and posture.

[themidiroom]

I am talking about someone creating a lesson by lesson tutorial from the ground up, but hey maybe it is easier to just complain and posture.

There might be some that get a kick out of making folks feel like less than musicians because they transpose or have transposed.  I wouldn't worry about it.

[Wolfram]

No worries from me here.   Y'all carry on this debate for another 20 pages. 

Toodles.

Wolf

[keyboardking]

well i am going to try and keep this short because like the wolf said this prolly will go for another 20 pgs anyway...just to put my input


....I dont think transposing is wrong like "it is a sin!" lol...I dont use the T button never have and never will...just like a whole bunch of musicians have said it does diminish you  on your skills and as a musician...but i do think that it is wrong for us "musicians who dont transpose and have learned every key"  to downgrade those who have transposed or are transposers....it is not right...I challenge you guys not to do that even if you ARE playing you never know how they can react...this thread...perfect example...

   One thing though guys I do not think the transpose is wrong to use it is there for a reason...once again i say it "I DO NOT TRANSPOSE, HAVENT, NEVER WILL"....but yes to those musicians who have practiced all there keys and have succeeded get mad because one guy can come and say he has played for 6 months and dominates "all keys" (one key)....BUT remember some one is always watching you...you gain respect...

 And guys the transposing button is very useful ever tried to play like some neo soul in like F# or C#...try to play thos grace notes...very hard i have tried because i want to learn that stlye in all keys...it is very difficult...my fingers dont fit lol...

   Final thing i think we should just drop this topic because many musicians have lost the thought that this is not about oh yeah i can play in every key and you cant....this is about praising God and worshipping...we have forgot what we were placed here to do...it is time for us to stop criticizing people by the methods they use to play...because you may be able to play great but have no annointing and not a good spirit..but another person who is there just to praise and has a good spirit can just praise and flow EVEN IF he transposes and the thought of transposing is lost....



   God Bless KK

   


 

[Rjthakid]

I am talking about someone creating a lesson by lesson tutorial from the ground up, but hey maybe it is easier to just complain and posture.

No worries from me here.   Y'all carry on this debate for another 20 pages. 

Toodles.
Wolf

Talk about posturing.  sheesh.

There might be some that get a kick out of making folks feel like less than musicians because they transpose or have transposed.  I wouldn't worry about it.

Not sure who this is referring to.  Since when is saying "if you transpose, practice till you don't have to" an insult?

I'm not the best musician in the world, but I practiced till I didn't have to transpose.  I can play in every key.  Not like John Peters or Quennel Gaskin, but I can play in all 12 with proficiency.

There's a difference between encouragement and insults.

What I said is that if you're still transposing after 10 years because you can only play in THREE KEYS, then you need to practice until you don't have to.

Why are you guys so sensitive.   

[under13]

Why are you guys so sensitive.  

You know how musicians are.

[themidiroom]

You know how musicians are.

Similar to black folks.   

[under13]

Similar to black folks.   

dont get me started on black folks

[nessalynn77]

Talk about posturing.  sheesh.


Not sure who this is referring to.  Since when is saying "if you transpose, practice till you don't have to" an insult?

I'm not the best musician in the world, but I practiced till I didn't have to transpose.  I can play in every key.  Not like John Peters or Quennel Gaskin, but I can play in all 12 with proficiency.

There's a difference between encouragement and insults.

What I said is that if you're still transposing after 10 years because you can only play in THREE KEYS, then you need to practice until you don't have to.

Why are you guys so sensitive.   

So this is where you hang out, lol!

[Rjthakid]

So this is where you hang out, lol!

Shhhhhh!  Don't tell nobody!   

[nessalynn77]

Shhhhhh!  Don't tell nobody!   

*yells*Mama, RJ over here talkin' bout Transposing!!!


I ain't gon' tell nobody else...

[bhflow07]

I think yall misunderstood me I meant I transpose and  play it in the key of E or D to get better in those keyz even though the person may be singing in Eb...?

[musicmajordjs]

oh ok I get your point I never heard of someone doing that but it slightly makes since

[T-Block]

oh ok I get your point I never heard of someone doing that but it slightly makes since

U never heard of someone doing that, I give u Exhibit A (click on the link):

Man, we just had a long, heated discussion on this very topic here:  http://www.learngospelmusic.com/forums/index.php/topic,57248.0.html

I am talking about someone creating a lesson by lesson tutorial from the ground up, but hey maybe it is easier to just complain and posture.

I got something like that in the works man.  Check the Gospel Music Hangout area in the future and see if u or anyone else can help me out with it.

[Wolfram]

U never heard of someone doing that, I give u Exhibit A (click on the link):

I got something like that in the works man.  Check the Gospel Music Hangout area in the future and see if u or anyone else can help me out with it.

You know that if you are wanting to teach and you need any assistance, I got your back, bro

Wolf