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Some more food to chew on
« on: May 15, 2006, 12:14:02 AM »
After this maybe you see how to spark up those Stick Control/Syncopation practice sessions  :D

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Re: Some more food to chew on
« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2006, 08:59:18 AM »
Thanks. I'll check that out a little later on.
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Re: Some more food to chew on
« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2006, 09:00:51 AM »
SABE!
It seems like they are using the MOELLER technique in the rudiments that they are doing. The single and doubles paradibbles.There was a post that was placed some time ago about the MOELLER bY DERRICK POPE and now TONY ROSTER.I was practing the MOELLERand it was very effective, it build up my speed,showed me how to relax, my hands and wrist in playing the fundermentals, Thanks for the info. I have a question DO YOU HAVE TED REED'S BOOK OF SYNCOPATION?
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Re: Some more food to chew on
« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2006, 09:36:40 AM »
SABE!
It seems like they are using the MOELLER technique in the rudiments that they are doing. The single and doubles paradibbles.There was a post that was placed some time ago about the MOELLER bY DERRICK POPE and now TONY ROSTER.I was practing the MOELLERand it was very effective, it build up my speed,showed me how to relax, my hands and wrist in playing the fundermentals, Thanks for the info. I have a question DO YOU HAVE TED REED'S BOOK OF SYNCOPATION?


I too have studied with the Moeller and it does open up your dexterity... In the April issue of Gospel Drummer Round Up magazine www.gdru.net Ted Reed's book Progressive Steps to Syncopation was reviewed. Great book to charting your steps into independence as well.
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Re: Some more food to chew on
« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2006, 10:49:29 AM »
Keep On bringing it Sabe!!

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Re: Some more food to chew on
« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2006, 11:07:12 AM »
Devouring it on the real! Thank you.

The Ted Reed book is a must have book. The Ted Reed book is a must have book. There are a couple of discussions and exercises within the forum to incorporate into your practice from the book. Let’s do it Fam, let’s take our playing to the next “echelon”. Strive for nutriment in our practice session. One love…

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Re: Some more food to chew on
« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2006, 12:29:42 PM »
SABE!
It seems like they are using the MOELLER technique in the rudiments that they are doing. The single and doubles paradibbles.There was a post that was placed some time ago about the MOELLER bY DERRICK POPE and now TONY ROSTER.I was practing the MOELLERand it was very effective, it build up my speed,showed me how to relax, my hands and wrist in playing the fundermentals, Thanks for the info. I have a question DO YOU HAVE TED REED'S BOOK OF SYNCOPATION?


I had it... gave it t a student and just bought it again. What about Ted Reed's - Syncopation in particular?
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Re: Some more food to chew on
« Reply #7 on: May 15, 2006, 12:54:10 PM »
thanx alot sabe
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Re: Some more food to chew on
« Reply #8 on: May 15, 2006, 01:03:49 PM »
thanks sabe
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Re: Some more food to chew on
« Reply #9 on: May 15, 2006, 01:11:42 PM »
I too have studied with the Moeller and it does open up your dexterity... In the April issue of Gospel Drummer Round Up magazine www.gdru.net Ted Reed's book Progressive Steps to Syncopation was reviewed. Great book to charting your steps into independence as well.

Yeah I have been using the Moeller a while though my right hand is better than my left. Jim Chapin's video is a must... especially when he does the 6-stroke Moeller, like whoa. Want people aren't explaining these days is that the moeller is not stroke limited. You can do virtually countless hits out of that initial stroke (whip) based on your fulcrum and rebound and level of CONTROL.

I think that Syncopation is on of the best books fo r teaching timing and basic reading /notation because everything is relative to the quarter note. It doesn't so much teach independence outright though. You have to be a bit creative like taking the top line and playing it on the kick while keep quarters on the hihat foot or slave pedal of the double pedal (which then causes you to do "Fill-Ins" a la Joe Franco and Joe Morello). THen play and eigth note or jazz ride pattern a nd put 2 & 4 on the snare or a half-time hit on 3. In this example you will learn more independence an dhow to apply Syncopation to the kit.

Basix has a similar boof out called Syncopation for THe Drums that is better written in that is is done using notational softwae so it is easier to read. It also comes with an audio CD of the exercises.

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Re: Some more food to chew on
« Reply #10 on: May 15, 2006, 01:34:01 PM »
Sabe, you truly are the man.
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Re: Some more food to chew on
« Reply #11 on: May 15, 2006, 01:34:18 PM »
thanks sabe
i am challenged

You have no idea.....

Thanks a lot Sabe...

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Re: Some more food to chew on
« Reply #12 on: May 15, 2006, 02:05:12 PM »
THANKS DOC

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Re: Some more food to chew on
« Reply #13 on: May 16, 2006, 11:28:36 PM »
Yeah I have been using the Moeller a while though my right hand is better than my left. Jim Chapin's video is a must... especially when he does the 6-stroke Moeller, like whoa. Want people aren't explaining these days is that the moeller is not stroke limited. You can do virtually countless hits out of that initial stroke (whip) based on your fulcrum and rebound and level of CONTROL.

I think that Syncopation is on of the best books fo r teaching timing and basic reading /notation because everything is relative to the quarter note. It doesn't so much teach independence outright though. You have to be a bit creative like taking the top line and playing it on the kick while keep quarters on the hihat foot or slave pedal of the double pedal (which then causes you to do "Fill-Ins" a la Joe Franco and Joe Morello). THen play and eigth note or jazz ride pattern a nd put 2 & 4 on the snare or a half-time hit on 3. In this example you will learn more independence an dhow to apply Syncopation to the kit.

Basix has a similar boof out called Syncopation for THe Drums that is better written in that is is done using notational softwae so it is easier to read. It also comes with an audio CD of the exercises.

Keep making it happen GDRU. 

Thank you Sabe. You are on the money with your comment, after studying through this book with an instructor, he introduced me to playing each exercise with the jazz ride, and it caused my left hand to be stronger. I am right handed and between this book and a few others I've studied with most people when they see me play think that I am left handed.

This book can also be used to do fusion and funk grooves, playing each note with expressions such as ghost notes, shuffle the notes have fun.

I don't know if this has ever been covered before, but if you are new to reading or rudiments, I find with my students they learn the application and versatility of the rudiment or reading exercise, by getting off of the practice pad and applying it to the kit, varying in speed and volume. Make each line count.
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Re: Some more food to chew on
« Reply #14 on: May 17, 2006, 01:50:17 AM »
Thank you Sabe. You are on the money with your comment, after studying through this book with an instructor, he introduced me to playing each exercise with the jazz ride, and it caused my left hand to be stronger. I am right handed and between this book and a few others I've studied with most people when they see me play think that I am left handed.

This book can also be used to do fusion and funk grooves, playing each note with expressions such as ghost notes, shuffle the notes have fun.

I don't know if this has ever been covered before, but if you are new to reading or rudiments, I find with my students they learn the application and versatility of the rudiment or reading exercise, by getting off of the practice pad and applying it to the kit, varying in speed and volume. Make each line count.


I actually encourage people/students now to get off the kit and get on a PRACTICE PAD SET like the DW Practice AnyWhere. Like Elvin Jones said in MD May 2002 oe 03 I think ... the drum/drumset is too lound and distracting for some (if not most) when learning control. See when you can do it on the pad set you can do it anywhere. When you look at Thomas Lang's DVD or at Zoro and JoJo mayer on the MD Fest '05 vid you can see the importance. I think after one gets tha then should apply pitch via the drumset. Drum Corp guys speed most of their time on a pad and look at what that does for them you know.

Much respect on your view/teaching approach/experience. I just have a diffeerent philosophy. We both agree that Syncopation is a great book with a ton of uses around the kit that folk should explore. And definitly MAKE EACH LINE COUNT.
 
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Re: Some more food to chew on
« Reply #15 on: May 17, 2006, 09:36:25 AM »
I actually encourage people/students now to get off the kit and get on a PRACTICE PAD SET like the DW Practice AnyWhere. Like Elvin JOnes said in MD May 2002 oe 03 I think ... the drum/drumset is too lound and distracting for some (if not most) when learning control. See when you can do it on the pad set you can do it anywhere. When you look at Thomas Lang's DVD or at Zoro and JoJo mayer on the MD Fest '05 vid you can see the importance. I think after one gets tha then should apply pitch via the drumset. Drum Corp guys speed most of their time on a pad and look at what that does for them you know.

Much respect on your view/teaching approach/experience. I just have a diffeerent philosophy. We both agree that Syncopation is a great book with a ton of uses around the kit that folk should explore. And definitly MAKE EACH LINE COUNT.

YOU'RE RIGHT DOC, I'VE IGNORED MY ROLAND TD-6, I'M ON THAT DW SMARTPRACTICE CONSTANTLY
 

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Re: Some more food to chew on
« Reply #16 on: May 19, 2006, 10:06:17 PM »
Thanks Sabian. 
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Re: Some more food to chew on
« Reply #17 on: May 24, 2006, 11:57:13 PM »
That's some good stuff.

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Re: Some more food to chew on
« Reply #18 on: May 25, 2006, 05:27:14 PM »
man i wish i could read music..............

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Re: Some more food to chew on
« Reply #19 on: May 26, 2006, 01:01:44 AM »
man i wish i could read music..............


Don't wish , Just Do It, Bruh.

Here is your start... basic notation and counting out loud. If you can read it/say it/count it you can play it.

http://johnnydrums.com/rsrc/PDF/read.pdf

Always do this with a metronome so that you really get an understanding of the spacial value of the notes you are reading/playing. **This is the key!

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