Dr. Ben Carson Cites Prison as Proof that Homosexuality is a Choice

[Docdb04]

I tend to think that the thought would precede the pursuit of the relationship and that the thought would be referenced to base level of attraction.  Chances are, that if you are attracted to a certain physical attributes of the opposite gender, you would probably be inclined to seek a romantic relationship with someone that fits your ideal (granted that they aren't crazy or anything like that).  But even then, other intangible factors could lead you fall in love with someone who is "not your type" in that sense but because of your heterosexual attraction it's an option.  Now if you are of homosexual orientation, I would find it hard to believe that you would seek a meaningful relationship with someone of the opposite gender.  Yes; you have a choice as to weather or not you act on a desire, but in the long-term; why make a choice that you are not going to be happy with?

Without trying to veer off the OT, are you saying, if the thought is there (homosexual or heterosexual) they will eventually commit the action?  I can agree.  Although I would like to believe there is that small percentage of individuals who will neglect their feelings for the obedience to God.       

[Mysteryman]

I tend to think that the thought would precede the pursuit of the relationship and that the thought would be referenced to base level of attraction.  Chances are, that if you are attracted to a certain physical attributes of the opposite gender, you would probably be inclined to seek a romantic relationship with someone that fits your ideal (granted that they aren't crazy or anything like that).  But even then, other intangible factors could lead you fall in love with someone who is "not your type" in that sense but because of your heterosexual attraction it's an option.  Now if you are of homosexual orientation, I would find it hard to believe that you would seek a meaningful relationship with someone of the opposite gender.  Yes; you have a choice as to weather or not you act on a desire, but in the long-term; why make a choice that you are not going to be happy with?

I would put that up against the argument of atakeswho marries a lady but she is not the one he really wanted. He takes her but she wasn't his first choice. Should he put her away. There are plenty of people out there lkie that. People divorce but that is not the perfect will of God.

[funkStrat_97]

I would put that up against the argument of atakeswho marries a lady but she is not the one he really wanted. He takes her but she wasn't his first choice. Should he put her away. There are plenty of people out there lkie that. People divorce but that is not the perfect will of God.

Well....that's why you need to choose wisely.  If  you foolishly marry somebody that you never really wanted in the first place, then you have succeeded at setting yourself up for failure.  As to weather or not he should put her away?  Well, if he does, he will be doing so without Biblically justifiable grounds but one could argue that from a sociological point of view that there is no point to continuing the marriage anyway.  And for the woman involved; how do you thing she would feel knowing that here husband does not want her.  It's like she's living his lie.

[Mysteryman]

I agree that certain things should happen in a "perfect" world but the truth is a lot of times that you think should be doesn't happen. I'm sure a lot of people can talk about the one that got away or they made decisions that gave nit so desired results. There are many things that we are allow to do but are not the perfect will of God. The consequences of our decisions only sometimes God knows the full outcome. If two people have a baby out of wedlock and one or both don't want the baby should they give it up for adoption. Yeah that happens. What if they have the means to take care of the child but decide it's going to take away from what he or she wants to do. In the perfect will of God you should be taking care of your child. I can understand if they are not mentally capable or things happen like people getting raped. People are losing the sense of commitment to one another. There are many things that we may not feel are fair in life but you have to take responsibility for your actions. Happiness is based on circumstances and people do fall in and out of love over a life time. I still say loving is a choice. Love grows when two people invest in meeting the other's needs but I digress. Everybody gets to make their own decisions.

[SavnBass]

The question now becomes, are you homosexual when you engage in same sex relations or are you a homosexual when your thoughts are of the same sex?  That is another topic in itself.   

That is where the matter of choice comes in. There are homosexuals who engage in heterosexual sex and heterosexuals who engage in homosexual sex. Those are matters of choice but there is an aspect of homosexual behavior that goes beyond choice and touches on the core issues of attraction and self identification that have nothing to do with choice and sometimes begin before people are even fully aware of the differences.

[Docdb04]

That is where the matter of choice comes in. There are homosexuals who engage in heterosexual sex and heterosexuals who engage in homosexual sex. Those are matters of choice but there is an aspect of homosexual behavior that goes beyond choice and touches on the core issues of attraction and self identification that have nothing to do with choice and sometimes begin before people are even fully aware of the differences.

I like to believe those particular attraction and self identification issues are part of learned behavior.  A lot of what we do and like is  influenced by the world around us, what we are exposed to and curiosity.  It would seem to be a contradiction to God hating sin, if these elements were with you at birth.       

[Mysteryman]

I say there are key identifiers as the wether a person is homosexual.  All humans are attracted to the same sex on some level. Guys look at other guys and want their features. Women look at other women and think the same. It has to do with sex I believe. I see Doc's post while I'm typing. If a person thinks about another to lust after them the sins is there. The act in itself is also sin. There's nothing wrong with admiring someone as long as it's not sinful.

[funkStrat_97]

I say there are key identifiers as the wether a person is homosexual.  All humans are attracted to the same sex on some level. Guys look at other guys and want their features. Women look at other women and think the same. It has to do with sex I believe. I see Doc's post while I'm typing. If a person thinks about another to lust after them the sins is there. The act in itself is also sin. There's nothing wrong with admiring someone as long as it's not sinful.

Sexual attraction is at a different than just admiring someone.  I know Savin personally and think he's handsome bro.....but that's it.  It's not in me to think of another male in that way.  On a similar level, I have three beautiful daughters, but there's no thought, desire, or inclination of anything even remotely sexual.  Attractiveness can even impact your chances of getting a job or gaining people's trust in some cases! 

[Mysteryman]

Sexual attraction is at a different than just admiring someone.  I know Savin personally and think he's handsome bro.....but that's it.  It's not in me to think of another male in that way.  On a similar level, I have three beautiful daughters, but there's no thought, desire, or inclination of anything even remotely sexual.  Attractiveness can even impact your chances of getting a job or gaining people's trust in some cases!

Yea you just said the key word "sexual" attraction. People might be sexually attracted to other people but that doesn't mean you have to entertain or fulfill that desire. I'm a married man and feel the temptation to look at other women in a sexual way but I don't entertain it. It's a conscious decision of what you do with the thought in your mind. I can see an attractive woman and not look at her butt or breast or any other part for that manor to think evil.  A lot of guys entertain the thoughts and think evil. People say they can't control who they are attracted to but the minute they see somebody they think is ugly all of a sudden they have complete control over the lust of the eye, lust of the flesh, and pride of life. 

[dwest2419]

In my opinion, I think being gay is a choice. I remember times I felt like something (a force) trying to get me to like men; and no doubt I knew it was the devil trying me and messing with my emotions; and deep down on the inside I kept saying winthin myself that I knew I wasn't gay. This question is for the homosexual, if I was born gay... why would God create me for my own destruction?

[funkStrat_97]

Yea you just said the key word "sexual" attraction. People might be sexually attracted to other people but that doesn't mean you have to entertain or fulfill that desire. I'm a married man and feel the temptation to look at other women in a sexual way but I don't entertain it. It's a conscious decision of what you do with the thought in your mind. I can see an attractive woman and not look at her butt or breast or any other part for that manor to think evil.  A lot of guys entertain the thoughts and think evil. People say they can't control who they are attracted to but the minute they see somebody they think is ugly all of a sudden they have complete control over the lust of the eye, lust of the flesh, and pride of life. 

Humans are sexual by nature.  Even at that, there is a generally accepted in Western society that we need to keep ourselves in check so that a civil and functional society can be possible.  Of course most of guys do certainly enjoy checking out the ladies to the point that if you decide that you are going to keep your eyes under control, you are likely going to be egged on by other guys to view the handiwork of God Almighty.

In my opinion, I think being gay is a choice. I remember times I felt like something (a force) trying to get me to like men; and no doubt I knew it was the devil trying me and messing with my emotions; and deep down on the inside I kept saying winthin myself that I knew I wasn't gay. This question is for the homosexual, if I was born gay... why would God create me for my own destruction?

By the same token, one could argue that God messed up by making sexual beings.  Because He, in effect, created us with these attractions and desires and now wants to turn around and use them against us.

[Docdb04]

Humans are sexual by nature.  Even at that, there is a generally accepted in Western society that we need to keep ourselves in check so that a civil and functional society can be possible.  Of course most of guys do certainly enjoy checking out the ladies to the point that if you decide that you are going to keep your eyes under control, you are likely going to be egged on by other guys to view the handiwork of God Almighty.



By the same token, one could argue that God messed up by making sexual beings.  Because He, in effect, created us with these attractions and desires and now wants to turn around and use them against us.

This would further support the matter of choice theory.  The choice you make (in how you use sex) is used against you.  Not because you are a sexual being, for that is your nature.  To say God messed up would be a contradiction to who He is.  Some would say, "Didn't go repent on the fact that He made man?"  Yes, but he didn't mess up the creation.  He repented on making man because their ways had become corrupted.  Again, it was the choices of man that got them (us) in trouble.  It wasn't at all the creation. 

   

[dwest2419]

I believe God said in his Word Deuteronomy 30:19 says, "I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you death and life, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:"

What I believe God is saying to the homosexual lifestyle and to those that say God made me gay and that you were born gay. Is a false statement to say in my mind. God said in his Word, I have set before you death and life, and God says choose Life; but how many people in the world and even some so called Christians are actually choosing life. God says, "choose life!" I believe everything thing and every decision in this life is all about a choice. How many people choose or not choose to accept Christ as saviour and serve him. Some people do accept him and some don't. It's a choice. As we all know, God said all liars, adulterous, effeminate, fornication, and those who live the homosexual lifestyle will not inherit the kingdom of God (1 Timothy 1:10)

So I question those that say, "I was made by God to be gay." If so, why would God create you for your own destruction?" It's like saying, "God you made me this way so I can go straight to hell." The bible already says no homosexual will inherit the kingdom of God." So, why would God create you that way to be destined for hell? It doesn't make any sense.  But I believe God says, I set before you death and life. He says choose life; but how many people are choosing life? In other words, God left those decisions we have to make in this life up to us. We either choose to be gay or not. God left the decision up to you to make and not Him; but I refuse to believe he made you gay. If so, why would God create you for your own destruction?

The apostle Paul talked about homosexuality in his day (In the book of Romans), how men were lusting and going after men and how women were lusting and going after other women; and doing things which were unseemly or unatural and shameful to do; and as a result of their actions, because of their own decision, God gave them over to a reprobated mind. Ladies and gentlemen don't be deceive by the world and even by some people who call themselves Christians that say they know God, but living the homosexual lifestyle. Folks, we're living in the last days. For Jesus talked about how that if it were posible that the very elect (his chosen ones) could be deceived; and also said how the days would be shorten for the very elect sake. I know none of this is not being taught in churches these days. But my brethren and sister, it's time to wake up out our sleep. The bible talks about how the devil have come down to earth with great wrath; (why?) because he see that his time is getting short here on this earth; and so, he's trying to deceive many (which he's good at) and take with him as much people as he possibly can with him along with his false prophets to the lake of fire with him. So it behooves me for us to draw closer to the Lord ever than before; for now is our salvation nearer than we believe. May God have mercy on us all.