which day is the right day to worship on?

[uprising_bassist7]

im curious about which day is the right day to worship on and i would like  scriptural proof
thanks
God Bless

[Mysteryman]

Everyday. 

[jeremyr]

Everyday.

I agree with this wholeheartedly.

Now with that being said:

7th day ='s Sabbath
7th day ='s Saturday
Starday = Sabbath

There you have it.  Right there in the bible repeated over and over again and in black and white.

[laj528]

This sounds a lot like a theological question. However, let us examine it. Let me establish that I believe that everyday is the Lords. I also believe that the covenant with the Israelites was for them. Now, I also am not one that will say that Saturday worshipers or Sunday worshipers are superior one to the other.  In fact Jesus constantly broke the Sabbath rules of no work… Besides that there is no supporting scriptural evidence in the new testament of the necessity to keep the Israelite Sabbath covenant.

So I am of the mind set that the day of worship is not as important as the sincerity of the worshiper.

Now for scriptures:

Keep the Sabbath – All Old Testament

(Exodus 20:8 ) - "Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 "Six days you shall labor and do all your work,

(Exodus 23:12) - "Six days you are to do your work, but on the seventh day you shall cease from labor in order that your ox and your donkey may rest, and the son of your female slave, as well as your stranger, may refresh themselves."

(Exodus 31:15) - "For six days work may be done, but on the seventh day there is a sabbath of complete rest, holy to the Lord; whoever does any work on the sabbath day shall surely be put to death."

(Deuteronomy 5:12) - "Observe the sabbath day to keep it holy, as the Lord your God commanded you."

(Leviticus 26:2) - "You shall keep My sabbaths and reverence My sanctuary; I am the Lord."

Saturday Worship not necessary – All New Testament

(Romans 14:5) - "One man regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Let each man be fully convinced in his own mind."

(Colossians 2:16) - "Therefore let no one act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day."

[jeremyr]

This sounds a lot like a theological question. However, let us examine it. Let me establish that I believe that everyday is the Lords. I also believe that the covenant with the Israelites was for them. Now, I also am not one that will say that Saturday worshipers or Sunday worshipers are superior one to the other.  In fact Jesus constantly broke the Sabbath rules of no work… Besides that there is no supporting scriptural evidence in the new testament of the necessity to keep the Israelite Sabbath covenant.

So I am of the mind set that the day of worship is not as important as the sincerity of the worshiper.

Now for scriptures:

Keep the Sabbath – All Old Testament

(Exodus 20:8 ) - "Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 "Six days you shall labor and do all your work,

(Exodus 23:12) - "Six days you are to do your work, but on the seventh day you shall cease from labor in order that your ox and your donkey may rest, and the son of your female slave, as well as your stranger, may refresh themselves."

(Exodus 31:15) - "For six days work may be done, but on the seventh day there is a sabbath of complete rest, holy to the Lord; whoever does any work on the sabbath day shall surely be put to death."

(Deuteronomy 5:12) - "Observe the sabbath day to keep it holy, as the Lord your God commanded you."

(Leviticus 26:2) - "You shall keep My sabbaths and reverence My sanctuary; I am the Lord."

Saturday Worship not necessary – All New Testament

(Romans 14:5) - "One man regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Let each man be fully convinced in his own mind."

(Colossians 2:16) - "Therefore let no one act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day."

Please don't take this as an animosity post.  I just want to get my point across.  I''m not personally attacking anyone or their day they worship, because as you'll read down below I'm not here to judge.  We are all STILL brothers and sisters in christ.

With that beign said, I'll start with Romans 14:5, but I'll start at verse one (as quoted below).
Romans 14

1 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations. 2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs. 3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him. 4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. 5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. 6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. 7


If you read before and after this text nowhere is it speaking of a worship day, but moreso a person saying that my  xxx day is more important then your xxx day. Now you can releate this to what you're saying of worshiping on sunday, but what I'm saying is nowhere in the bible does it say "don't keep the sabbath".  It does say for us not to judge one another, but I have yet to see where it says that it's ok to not keep the sabbath.

In John 14:15 jesus states "if ye love me, keep my commandments". 

Right before he says that he states(starting with John 14:10)
 "10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. 11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake. 12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. 13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it"

Now we all know that Jesus is in the God and God is in Him, and they're one of the same.  And since no where has God mentioned that the sabbath should be set asside, I don't see how it's possible to say that it doesn't matter.


Now with Colossians 2:16.

We see paul addressing the church as to how they should stand against those that will mock them or talk them down.  In verse 16 he's saying don't let get you don't because they judge you due to the meat you eat, or the drink you drink, the holidays that you respect, or following the sabbath. 

I'm not seeing here where he's saying "The sabbath doesn't matter."

10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: 11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: 12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. 13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; 14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; 15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. 16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:



I will agree that it doesn't matter when I see that the bible states that the sabbath doesn't matter and that Jesus hasn't said that if we love him to keep his commandments and that he isn't one with God. 

[Mysteryman]

Hebrews 4
Mark 2:27-28

What do these scriptures mean?

[jeremyr]

Hebrews 4
Mark 2:27-28

What do these scriptures mean?

Hebrews 4:6
Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief

Looks like that's why people didn't want to follow the sabbath.  They simply didn't belive that it mattered or didn't believe in it.

Marke 2:27-28
27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: 28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

I think that's pretty self explanitory.  The sabbath is a day of rest.  It was given to us for our well being. A time where you meditate on God (even though you SHOULD be doing this every day). I see it as a mini vacation where I can truly get away from everything.  It's a day that is essential to keeping us sane IMHO.

[laj528]

I am not sure that this is the correct venue for this discussion but lets continue:

Okay- question for you before I continue; do you feel as do most sabbatarians that failure to keep Saturday (Sabbath) is a hell thing?

First let me reiterate once again that I hold to the belief that neither Sunday nor Saturday (Sabbath) worship is a requirement but more importantly that you fail not to assemble yourselves together is the real issue.

Now for more on the subject:

In the first place, most of us (all who are non-Jews) have never been under the decalogue. The ten commandments were a part of the Mosaic law, and that system was given to the Hebrews alone (Dt. 5:1-5). That does not suggest that the ancient Gentiles were exempt from religious and moral responsibility; it does mean that non-Israelites were never amenable to the Mosaic code per se.

But where is the evidence that the early church, under divine guidance, came together to worship God on the sabbath day?

The kingdom of Christ was established on the day of Pentecost (Acts 2:1), which always fell on “the morrow after the sabbath” (Lev. 23:15-16), hence, on Sunday. So the church started out meeting for worship on the first day of the week (cf. Acts 2:42).
The disciples at Troas “were gathered together” [passive voice] upon “the first day of the week” to break bread, i.e., to worship, (Acts 20:7). The specific day of meeting was no accident. Though Paul was anxious to get to Jerusalem (20:16), he waited seven days for the opportunity to assemble with the church.
Moreover, the passive voice (see above) indicates that the assemblage was orchestrated by someone other than the disciples; it was of divine initiative.

The saints in Corinth were assembling, and contributing into the church treasury, “every first day of the week” (1 Cor. 16:2—Greek text; cf. NASB).
On the isle of Patmos, John was “in the spirit” on “the Lord’s day” (Rev. 1:10). The term for “Lord’s” is kupiakos, which is defined here as “relating to the Lord.” Thayer comments: ”. . . the day devoted to the Lord, sacred to the memory of Christ’s resurrection” (365).
The Gospel narratives, of course, make it clear that the resurrection occurred on Sunday. While Revelation 1:10 would not be conclusive by itself, the very fact that the day is specifically mentioned is significant.
Hmmmmmmmm.
I believe this discussion can go on and on and on; on both sides however, let every man be a lie and God be the truth. (Rom 3) Peace

[laj528]

Heb 4:6
I believe if we look at Heb 4:6 with a correct exegesis we will see that it speaks of those who had the prophesy of the messiah and failed to hold to the faith. Further more they missed the rest. Hmmm how can that be if they kept the Sabbath?

The scripture has nothing to do with keeping or not keeping the Sabbath but about him coming to his own and them not receiving him.  The rest spoken of is an eternal rest not a weekly rest.

Israel had the 7th day Sabbath, but they did not have the Sabbath-rest in God. Now God wants his church to have the rest in him that he promised Israel. If we are led by the Spirit, we will enter that rest. This offer by God has nothing to do with keeping the 7th day Sabbath.


Mark 2:27-28
Again this is not a verse that discusses the keeping of the Sabbath. In fact if we read the scriptures before we will see that this is about David breaking the Sabbath. Then verse 28 advises that son of man (Jesus) is the Lord of the Sabbath. Or he is God every day. This is better understood by Matt 12:8

[jeremyr]

Israel had the 7th day Sabbath, but they did not have the Sabbath-rest in God. Now God wants his church to have the rest in him that he promised Israel. If we are led by the Spirit, we will enter that rest. This offer by God has nothing to do with keeping the 7th day Sabbath.

so are you implying that the 10 commandments don't apply to us? 

What happened to "if ye love me keep my commandments" ?

[Mysteryman]

The scripture has nothing to do with keeping or not keeping the Sabbath but about him coming to his own and them not receiving him.  The rest spoken of is an eternal rest not a weekly rest.
Israel had the 7th day Sabbath, but they did not have the Sabbath-rest in God. 

This was my point although I didnt want to say it. I wanted to know if you saw it. The Sabbath is just a shadow of what is to come. The true day of rest has not come yet.

Galatians 3
23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. 
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. 

In one form, those who are saved have entered into the Lord's rest as in Hebrew 4. So we are basically keeping the Sabbath everyday as long as you remain in Jesus Christ. He fulfilled all the law and the prophets. Jesus said Mt 12:8 For the Son OF man is LORD even OF the SABBATH day. Jesus said we are his body. Thats something to think about. We are joint heirs with Christ.

To say that someone is not right, especially a Christian, for keeping the Sabbath day is in my opinion to make man for the Sabbath and not the Sabbath for man.

[uprising_bassist7]

From my research i found that the right dya is saturday because christ himself kept the 7th day of week holy which is saturday as he did time and time before because it was his custom , and the catholic church in 321 A.d under the rule of constintine changed the sabbath to sunday the pope saw it fit that the day should be changed and they took it upon themselves to change the lords commandments , in the holy scriptures it says that the temple would be broken and rebuilt in ten days , so the catholic church misinturpreted that for the Old way of things would be destroyed and a new set of ways would be erected , if we are to follow Gods law we must follow even the sabbath because if we know the truth and neglect on commandment we are guilty of all

[jwanbass]

Amen brother. Glad you were able to find that out.

[uprising_bassist7]

thanks man i had to look hard to analyze my faith cuz i already worshipp on saturdays

[laj528]

I am still not sure that this is the correct venue for this discussion but lets continue

John 13:33-35
33 Little children, yet a little while I am with you. Ye shall seek me: and as I said unto the Jews, Whither I go, ye cannot come; so now I say to you.

34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

New commandment that encompasses all of the old commandments….I know we agree that the ten commandments are not the only commandments in the word.

John 14:23
Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Or as another writer said it…

John 14:15
If ye love me, keep my commandments,

Could this by any chance mean the Holy Ghost rather than 10 laws…….. John 1:1-14

Eph 3:16
That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man;

Jer 31:33
 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

[laj528]

This getting deep........... Good!

Well now for Mr. Constantine what a mess – Church history is a passion of mine and will have to say that he made several changes to how the church operated. He was an opportunist that saw the church as a powerful force that if harnessed would bring him greater power. By the way he was never a Christian even though he masqueraded as one.
Some changes to the church during his reign:
1)   Made Sunday the main day of worship (your point)
                     However the day of worship varied through out history prior to Constantine… He just made it a mandate..
2)   Instituted the Triune thought of the God Head
3)   Changed the doctrinal formula of baptism from submersion in the name of Jesus to sprinkling of water in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.
4)   Instituted the though of God the father, God the son, and God the Holy Ghost.
(by the way you will never read in the bible God the son but son of God) 1-2-no 3 Gods.
Yes I believe that Jesus is God!
Now if we wish to justify our stance by using Constantine we must dismantle many of our doctrinal stances. For Constantine made a wreck of a lot of the original church doctrines “Traditions of men” 

[laj528]

Oh yea by the way the scripture is

James 2:10
For whosoever shall keep the whole law , and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

Law is comprised of more than just the 10 commandments...Hmmmmmmmmmm

Okay this is talking about justification by faith and works........ Smile

Great post still not sure if this is the right place for it.................

In all our gettings lets get an understanding...................Peace my friends in Christ

[Cone]

I understand there are 7th day advantist, jehovah witnesses, and etc.. in this forum.  This is a bass forum so try to keep it like that.  You can worship the Lord on Monday thru Sunday it doen't matter.  Thank you for understanding

[laj528]

DITTO "Cone".......  You are so right.... I'm out

[uprising_bassist7]

oh alright peace