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Re: Exercise - Changing Modes using 2-5-1s
« Reply #20 on: June 16, 2006, 10:56:09 AM »
http://forums.learngospelmusic.com/index.php/topic,25122.0.html

I think the stuff posted on that topic says it all

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Re: Exercise - Changing Modes using 2-5-1s
« Reply #21 on: June 16, 2006, 01:57:19 PM »
OK GUYS, HERE WE GO.


THERE IS NO RIGHT OR WRONG WAY TO POST CHORDS.


BUT, THERE IS A RIGHT OR WRONG WAY TO POST CHORDS DEPENDING ON WHO YOUR EXPLAINING THEM TO. IF YOUR TALKING TO A PIANIST, IT WOULD BE BEST TO POST CHORDS IN THE SYMBOL FORMAT. (ex: F#M7) WHY, BECAUSE PIANIST ONLY HAVE TO DEAL WITH THEIR RIGHT AND LEFT HAND. SO A  F#M7 WOULD MEAN THAT, THE LEFT HAND WOULD PLAY A F# BASS AND THE RIGHT HAND WOULD PLAY F#-A#-C#-F. (F#/F#-A#-C#-F)


BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, SINCE ORGANIST HAVE PEDALS TO PLAY ALSO, THEIR CHORDS WOULD HAVE TO BE POSTED IN THE SPELL-OUT FORM. (in notes that are spelled out)

SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF SOMEONE TOLD ME TO PLAY A F#M7 ON THE ORGAN, MY BASS PEDALS WOULD PLAY A F#, MY LEFT HAND WOULD PLAY NOTHING, AND MY RIGHT HAND WOULD PLAY F#-A#-C#-F.

WELL IF I TOLD AN ORGANIST TO PLAY F#/F-F#-C#/F#-A#-C#-F. THE ORGANIST WOULD STILL BE PLAYING A F#M7 CHORD BUT HE'S LEFT HAND WOULD BE ACTIVE OPPOSED TO PLAYING A REGULAR F#M7 CHORD WITH THE RIGHT HAND AND NOTHING ON THE LEFT.



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Re: Exercise - Changing Modes using 2-5-1s
« Reply #22 on: June 16, 2006, 03:39:42 PM »
I agree with Code warrior and Rhitaki

Very well said. 

true indeed the beginning organist wants to know what to do with his left hand.
and there are many things play

as far as how to post and where to post i still say leave that up to the person posting

an organinst who knows his instrument will figure out what to play in his left hand

some organ chords and styles use left hand bass right hand chords

so there is no need to actually post a left hand chord since there is none

I studied with melvin and there was this song that i sweated over playing it with left hand chords and melvin sat down and played it with bass lines in the left hand against right hand chords

hey whatever sounds good

I just wish people didnt express their desire or opinions like it is the only way to do something
there are many many ways to reach a goal and that is what makes our world what it is diversity

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Re: Exercise - Changing Modes using 2-5-1s
« Reply #23 on: June 17, 2006, 10:28:48 AM »
well said.  And TheReturn, if you play with a bass player when you play piano (and a lot of people do nowdays) then your piano chords look a lot like your organ chords, except that the bass player is playing the root instead of your foot.  So piano isn't all just bass/chord, a lot of times you use the right hand and left hand together to make chords just like you would on the organ.  Like diverse said, if you know the basic theory then you can make whatever kind of chords you want on whichever instrument.

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Re: Exercise - Changing Modes using 2-5-1s
« Reply #24 on: June 22, 2006, 10:32:05 PM »
OK GUYS, HERE WE GO.


THERE IS NO RIGHT OR WRONG WAY TO POST CHORDS.


BUT, THERE IS A RIGHT OR WRONG WAY TO POST CHORDS DEPENDING ON WHO YOUR EXPLAINING THEM TO. IF YOUR TALKING TO A PIANIST, IT WOULD BE BEST TO POST CHORDS IN THE SYMBOL FORMAT. (ex: F#M7) WHY, BECAUSE PIANIST ONLY HAVE TO DEAL WITH THEIR RIGHT AND LEFT HAND. SO A  F#M7 WOULD MEAN THAT, THE LEFT HAND WOULD PLAY A F# BASS AND THE RIGHT HAND WOULD PLAY F#-A#-C#-F. (F#/F#-A#-C#-F)


BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, SINCE ORGANIST HAVE PEDALS TO PLAY ALSO, THEIR CHORDS WOULD HAVE TO BE POSTED IN THE SPELL-OUT FORM. (in notes that are spelled out)

SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF SOMEONE TOLD ME TO PLAY A F#M7 ON THE ORGAN, MY BASS PEDALS WOULD PLAY A F#, MY LEFT HAND WOULD PLAY NOTHING, AND MY RIGHT HAND WOULD PLAY F#-A#-C#-F.

WELL IF I TOLD AN ORGANIST TO PLAY F#/F-F#-C#/F#-A#-C#-F. THE ORGANIST WOULD STILL BE PLAYING A F#M7 CHORD BUT HE'S LEFT HAND WOULD BE ACTIVE OPPOSED TO PLAYING A REGULAR F#M7 CHORD WITH THE RIGHT HAND AND NOTHING ON THE LEFT.



I HOPE I DIDN'T CONFUSE ANYONE HERE. IF I DID JUST WRITE BACK AND I'LL TRY TO HELP.






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I agree with you brother. i guess use real organist can only understand what we are trying to tell this wanna be
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Re: Exercise - Changing Modes using 2-5-1s
« Reply #25 on: June 23, 2006, 07:14:21 AM »
I agree with you brother. i guess use real organist can only understand what we are trying to tell this wanna be

"real organists" understand how to use their left hand when they chord.  If a singer says "Eb major" and starts singing, are you gonna stop her and ask her what notes to put in the left hand? :D

Also, who are you to say who is a "wannabe".  Are you just concerned about organ skills, to the point that you would rather insult people instead of trying to deal with them as a brother or sister in christ would?

Don't forget, being in God's family is about way more than just music.  It's a lifestyle...

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Re: Exercise - Changing Modes using 2-5-1s
« Reply #26 on: June 23, 2006, 11:19:58 AM »
Ok, I'll say this again.

The chords originally posted were correct.  They didn't need to be spelled out.  If these were chords to a SONG, they they'd need to be spelled out.  But this was theory.  Spelling out the chords would't help you, but this post is not about the actual chords, but it's about the CONCEPT he was trying to show. 

If he posted a song with only chord names, I'd be right there with you guys, saying that he should've spelled them out.  But because this is Theory...a concept...an idea....spelling out the chords is pointless.

And you can't say that it doesn't help beginners, because spelling out chords wouldn't help beginners understand a CONCEPT!!!

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Re: Exercise - Changing Modes using 2-5-1s
« Reply #27 on: June 23, 2006, 11:22:12 AM »
Furthermore, I'm a beginner.

NO beginner should be on here trying to find chords if they don't first know what an AbM7 is.

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Re: Exercise - Changing Modes using 2-5-1s
« Reply #28 on: June 23, 2006, 07:13:12 PM »
"real organists" understand how to use their left hand when they chord.  If a singer says "Eb major" and starts singing, are you gonna stop her and ask her what notes to put in the left hand? :D

Also, who are you to say who is a "wannabe".  Are you just concerned about organ skills, to the point that you would rather insult people instead of trying to deal with them as a brother or sister in christ would?

Don't forget, being in God's family is about way more than just music.  It's a lifestyle...
dude what the heck are you talking about? what is being said is THAT THIS IS A ORGAN ROOM THEREFORE ORGAN CHORDS AND ORGAN CHORDS ONLY SHOULD BE POSTED AND IF THERE ARE CHORDS THE DONT CONTAIN FP/LH/RH
THEN GO POST IT IN THE KEYBOARD OR PIANO ROOM.  gO LOOK AT MY POST ENTITLED YO ALL MY GODLY ORGANIST. YOU WILL SEE THAT ALOT OF PEOPLE THAT REALLY PLAY THE ORGAN ARGEE WITH ME AND DONT WANT TO COME IN THE ORGAN ROOM AND FIND KEYBOARD POSTED  CHORDS SO IT NOT JUST ME IT USE REAL ORGANIST LIKE I SAID.

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Re: Exercise - Changing Modes using 2-5-1s
« Reply #29 on: June 23, 2006, 07:19:25 PM »
Furthermore, I'm a beginner.

NO beginner should be on here trying to find chords if they don't first know what an AbM7 is.
this was posted by a guy in the organ room in respones to one of my post entilted Yo ALL MY GODLY ORGANIST and he is a beginner so lets see how he feels about chords post like this Abm7-lejejioj +BCGE


MY MAN....  U COMIN STRONG WITH THAT... I DIDNT WANT TO SAY ANYTHING BEING THAT IM KINDA NEW TO THE SITE AND THAT IM JUST LEARNING HOW TO PLAY MYSELF..... BUT SINCE YOU BROUGHT IT UP, YOUR 100 WITH DAT... I ALWAYS COME TO THE ORGAN ROOM TO FIND COME CHORDS TO PLAY FOR SUNDAY SERVICE BUT I ALWAYS FIND KEYBOARD CHORDS POSTED IN THE "ORGAN ROOM" ... BEING NEW I JUST TAKE WHAT I CAN. BUTTTTTTT WHEN I GET TO CHURCH AND TRY TO PLAY THESE CHORDS ON THE ORGAN THEY SOUND SOME EMPTY..... THEY JUT DONT SOUND FULL THE WAY ORGAN CHORDS USUALLY SOUND.... I WISH THERE WAS A ORGAN ROOM... ALSO SOME OF THE CHORDS THAT ARE POSTED LIKE
(DM793.-/&=QE1) MEANS NOTHING TO SOMEONE WHO JUST START LEARNING... SOMETIMES IT TAKES ME HOURS TO LEARN A SONG BECAUSE ITS WRITTEN IN ARABIC... YOOO MY MAN IM WIT CHA.......
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Re: Exercise - Changing Modes using 2-5-1s
« Reply #30 on: June 24, 2006, 12:04:06 PM »
jomo i didnt know you were new

But you keep telling us to refer to your posts about how organ chords should be posted

and i think we all get that

but are you getting what we are saying

if you dont understand what a Bmaj7b5 #9  is if that chord looks foreign to you then you owe it to your self to learn what it is and what the theory behind that is.

as far as how to post organ chords if i posted a chord

in a keyboard format and you wanted to fill it up then play a tritone in your right hand
or a third and a fifth or a third or double up on the chord

you are spending a lot of time writing about how you like to see organ chords posted but like i said you are one voice and ok fine other people like them posted the orgn way

hey so do i i like to see organ chords posted like organ chords too

but if i see achord posted keyboard style i know how to make it an organ chord
by filling in with my left hand

if i see a Dmaj9 #5 i know how to play that

why should i have to suffer or be compromised because you dont like something the organ room is for sharinig ideas and we all have different ways of sharing you seem to be trying to impose your will on everyone and i dont think it is fair

like i said before sometimes a concept is being taught and it is not about a particular voicing but the concept of the progression

three people said this and you did not really hear them and if you did you surely didnt act like it by your response saying the same thing over and over

face it people are going to post the way they want some will post organ style some will continue to put keyboard style chords up and others will put it up in chord chart formulae

believe me some of them know why and what they are doing

you being new dont know everything there is to know and since you dont you should act like it
and let the big boys post what they want how they want and dont walk around telling people what is right and wrong.

i have heard you talk about how nice you are then i see you saying you are new to playing organ
i can tolerate a big head and mouth and ego from a beast but if you are up and coming you should talk less listen and learn more

for real you can blast me if you want bro but this is all said in love
as an older head to a younger head
I have a masters in education and have been playing probably 5 years but i know my theory and i can read any chord chart  and know when to drop a quartal voicng or when to raise my nine and flat my fives

this is all language that can help you so take the time to learn it

and in case you didnt know when you see a keyboard chord
and you want to play int on the organ

go with the 3rd and seventh of the chord first in the left hand

ie
G/ E A C#
C/ Eb Ab C
F/ EG A C

then when you get on the organ play the tritone associated with each bass note

G/FB/EAC#
C/EBb/EbABC
F/EA/EGAC

but truthfully if you know that all this is is a modified 2-5-1 you can do a lot more with it then just this

the first chord is a
G13b5

the second is a
C7#9 #5

and the last is a regular old Fmaj9

hey its liberating being able to on the spot work out the voicings it helps you get gigs and helps you grow as a musician if everyone only posted there voicings those of us that are looking to dig deeper will be hindered

i feel hindered when i see voicings writtten out i like to see chord symbols
but you dont see me yelling in big red letters hey i dont like to see you write out notes why dont you post chord symbols

relax be easy and let people be who God created them to be
you said your piece now let it go dude

for real

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Re: Exercise - Changing Modes using 2-5-1s
« Reply #31 on: June 25, 2006, 07:53:45 PM »
hold on doc first of i been on this site for about 3 or 4 years under differnt user names so i am noooooooooooo where near new !  If you read closely child of GOD you wil see that i wrote this is what one of the new members wrote me. So once more people have misread and i challenge my Godly brother and sister to get back to reading and conpreheneing. And i feel that if you trust and believe in God he will help you all with your reading. Come somebody. Lift those hands and say LORD HELP MY READING. LORD HELP MY UNDERSTANDING OF BOTH YOURE WORD AND JOMO7 POST. I NEED YOU LORD INTERCEED ON MY BEHALF. THIS I ASK IN YOUR SON JESUS NAME. THANK GOD AMEN. Now put those holy ghost fill hands together and give yo God some prasie for what is already done and what his about to do in yo life and your reading.NOW SHOUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Exercise - Changing Modes using 2-5-1s
« Reply #32 on: June 25, 2006, 08:12:50 PM »
i have heard you talk about how nice you are then i see you saying you are new to playing organ
i can tolerate a big head and mouth and ego from a beast but if you are up and coming you should talk less listen and learn more




































FOR REAL YO ? when have i said that im new to my insturment yo?  unless you plan coming up here to hear me play and probably have a little jam session with me and my cat and eat you alive with your theory and all then i suggest you watch what you typing about people skill especially  STL CATS.

ps: and if your are trying to make that trip then pm me and we can get up and running. MAke sure you bring your best doc
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Re: Exercise - Changing Modes using 2-5-1s
« Reply #33 on: June 25, 2006, 08:25:08 PM »
MY GOD..... you better talk about it Bishop
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Re: Exercise - Changing Modes using 2-5-1s
« Reply #34 on: June 25, 2006, 10:33:14 PM »
my final thought on this

is

no comment

i am moving on
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Re: Exercise - Changing Modes using 2-5-1s
« Reply #35 on: June 27, 2006, 07:28:29 PM »
WOW



THATS ALL IM GOING TO SAY ABOUT THAT.




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