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Offline BassMan2000

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UNGRATEFUL
« on: July 07, 2006, 08:44:09 PM »
I was told that I was not a dedicated musician by my Pastor!

I was ask to play for another Choir at Church, but I said no.  And
then I was told that I was not dedicated.

I already play for the Male Choir and the Adult. That includes the
8am and 11am service and practice on Tuesday and Thursday. I also play for there Special Services and I
do all this for FREE.

Now I play at Home.

They want me back , but I can't do it.
I think I'll start charging MONEY.

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Re: UNGRATEFUL
« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2006, 08:57:46 PM »
charge-yes

while the church or persons that be maybe ungrateful keep in mind that God see's ya and im sure he isnt ungrateful for your faithfulness and your work concerning ministry

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Re: UNGRATEFUL
« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2006, 09:26:54 PM »
Pray about it and God will make a way.  Obviously they are ungrateful. You are human and you can only do so much.
God is #1 in my life.  Put your trust in him!!

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Re: UNGRATEFUL
« Reply #3 on: July 08, 2006, 09:50:35 AM »
you should let them know that you are dedicated to your "CHURCH HOME & FAMILY" not others....I agree start charging and then they will see what dedication is.
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Re: UNGRATEFUL
« Reply #4 on: July 08, 2006, 10:27:06 AM »
,,,well now....is your pastor a silly person given to say things to you that are simply untrue?...Go to your pastor and find out why that was said.....If your Pastor is not just talking stuff...he might have an answer for you that will help you greatly!....so put on your humble shoes and ask why he said that...and dont interrupt with defending yourself while he speaks...just hear the answer and think it over!
URIAH HAS SPOKEN!


I was told that I was not a dedicated musician by my Pastor!

I was ask to play for another Choir at Church, but I said no.  And
then I was told that I was not dedicated.

I already play for the Male Choir and the Adult. That includes the
8am and 11am service and practice on Tuesday and Thursday. I also play for there Special Services and I
do all this for FREE.

Now I play at Home.

They want me back , but I can't do it.
I think I'll start charging MONEY.

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Re: UNGRATEFUL
« Reply #5 on: July 08, 2006, 10:34:15 AM »
I feel that!  I played for a church 4yrs ago and they gave me the same guilt trip.  Even though I played every Sunday morning and evening service, played for the youth choir on their thursday service and at their performances at other churches and ministry events, played at all of the churches conferences, rehearsed twice a week and I had to travel over 25 miles to the Church on each occasion (one way!)....I went on a three week vacation after not having any type of vacation for over 5yrs and when I got back I was told by the ministry leader that I was not dedicated!  They had a big conference that was going out on live cable TV and the guy that filled in didn't know how to play most of the songs and wasn't very tight with the rest of the band...so, it was decided it was my fault!  If I was ill or needed a break I had no-one to cover me as there was a distinct lack of bassist in the church, so when I needed time off my ministry leader got really snotty about it.  There was too much demand on me and it was affecting my personal life as all my spare time to spend with my family and friends was being taken over as I was the only bass player to cover a lot of work.  I was also working a day job at that time, so I wouldn't get home much before 10pm most evenings as I would go straight to the church after I finished work. So, I decided to step down and coach some of the younger guys coming through the youth choir.

I was also asked to come back after a few months and I still said no as my heart was with the young guys that I was coaching.  As a result they now have 4 young, gifted and very enthusiastic bass players that are rotored every week, so they are never stuck without a solid and experienced bass player.

The only advice I can give is pray about it and have a private meeting with your pastor, ministry leader or even better still, both together!  You must be straight up and honest about how you feel.  Your hear is in your music and in the way that you help to deliver God's word through your instrument.  It takes dedication to do that alone.  Your time at home and your time at Church should be balanced otherwise on or the other will suffer...it's the same with an other job. You need to make that very clear.  If they value your contribution to the Church they should honour that.  If not, I'm afraid your ministry team will always have the same problem with other musicians by being too demanding on their personal time.  Remember, you give your time and musicianship to the glory of God!  Every note you play no matter how many or how few puts a smile on his face and he will bless you.  Pray about it and the answers will become clear as to what you should do.  If you need to take a break or get back to it God will speak to you.  He knows your heart and he will make the paths for you.
God Bless you.

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Re: UNGRATEFUL
« Reply #6 on: July 08, 2006, 11:38:26 AM »

URIAH HAS SPOKEN!



Man I just got some chills hearing that.

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Re: UNGRATEFUL
« Reply #7 on: July 08, 2006, 12:52:50 PM »
I agree whole heartedly with everything that Uriah and Andrzej have said.  It's not about what people think, they're human and will make mistakes just like the rest of us.  Only what you do for Christ really matters.


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Re: UNGRATEFUL
« Reply #8 on: July 08, 2006, 07:45:20 PM »
The only reason he's upset is b/c he knows that the service will lack without a good bass player. That's all. i would charge from now on b/c that was wrong of him to do that.

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Re: UNGRATEFUL
« Reply #9 on: July 08, 2006, 09:40:58 PM »
Be the very best you can be at what you do and charge folks. I've found that people have more respect for you if they are paying for your service and it cuts down on the drama.
It seems that if you work for less people tend to want more out of you and longer hours.
Considering the cost of gas, guitar strings, musical equipment and your time I don't see how you are being ungrateful. Learn to read music if you don't already know how. I once heard a preacher
teaching about how if you don't get the proper training (education) you are setting yourself up to be used.
                That's my spin on it.
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Re: UNGRATEFUL
« Reply #10 on: July 08, 2006, 10:30:15 PM »
,,,well now....is your pastor a silly person given to say things to you that are simply untrue?...Go to your pastor and find out why that was said.....If your Pastor is not just talking stuff...he might have an answer for you that will help you greatly!....so put on your humble shoes and ask why he said that...and dont interrupt with defending yourself while he speaks...just hear the answer and think it over!
URIAH HAS SPOKEN!



Good Advice uriah

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Re: UNGRATEFUL
« Reply #11 on: July 08, 2006, 10:57:35 PM »
What can I $ay Juanita Bynum is my cicerone.

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Re: UNGRATEFUL
« Reply #12 on: July 08, 2006, 11:47:20 PM »
Ok Folks,

I am new to the forum here...But I am a Pastor, so maybe I can offer a pastors perspective.  I can say I have been often misunderstood.  I have seen many talents wasted over a misunderstanding. I would go to my pastor and as Uriah said...Put on those humble shoes
... and hear what the man has to say.  As far as quitting and staying home...My question would be

1. Why are you playing?  To worship the LORD? For entertainment?
2. Who are you playing for?  For the KING of KINGS?  For the church?
3. Is your ministry for sale?

Brother...you might offend me by not appreciating my playing...but HE (Jesus) is worthy of my praise, regardless...even if I am at odds with the whole church...Jesus still deserves my best....So pass me the bass and let me PRAISE HIM... and we can sort it out after church.

Maybe God is testing you to see what you will do with your gift? Will you charge for it now to prove a point?...will you continue to play because you LOVE HIM?... will you quit? (Boy wouldn't the enemy be happy then!) Will you get an attitude? 

I will keep you in my prayers...everything said here is humbly submitted.
I pray God give you wisdom!

Amen



 

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Re: UNGRATEFUL
« Reply #13 on: July 09, 2006, 12:09:18 AM »
I say to give the pastor and church another chance. Just forget about it. If this doesn't work then talk to your pastor. Tell him all the stuff you have to do for the music ministry and that you are doing it for God, right? If he and the church is still saying that you are not dedicated then it's time to stand up and charge some $$$.

They don't want a dedicated musician for free, then it's time to pay for one. Some churches and pastors don't know what kind of musician they have until the musician is gone. Then the church repents and is willing to pay $erious $$ to get that musician back.


You never know how precious something is until you lose it.


Maybe God is testing you to see what you will do with your gift? Will you charge for it now to prove a point?...will you continue to play because you LOVE HIM?... will you quit? (Boy wouldn't the enemy be happy then!) Will you get an attitude? 

This is also a good point. Pray.
"Experience is not what happens to a man; it is what a man does with what happens to him." -A.Huxley

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Re: UNGRATEFUL
« Reply #14 on: July 09, 2006, 05:45:58 AM »
Sad to say...that happens a lot when the churches schedule coflicts with out own personal schedules.  Too many variables for me to weigh in because I know some churches that you don't have to be a member to fill in for a Sunday or two. 

I agree with Uriah...communication is the key.  Regardless you will have to need to talk to the Pastor to clear up the offense because regardless of whether or not you stay at that ministry, you will need to resolve the matter before moving on.  This is for your own good. 

T.J.
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Re: UNGRATEFUL
« Reply #15 on: July 09, 2006, 06:33:40 AM »
I talked to the Pastor and he feels if I can played for two choirs I can play for three.
I told him he should feel bless with what you have. I may be playing for GOD, but
If I don't feel the Joy when I play, I'll move somewhere that can fill that void.

I'm in Dallas, GA Let me know if you need a backup Bass Player.


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Re: UNGRATEFUL
« Reply #16 on: July 09, 2006, 03:48:45 PM »
I talked to the Pastor and he feels if I can played for two choirs I can play for three.
I told him he should feel bless with what you have. I may be playing for GOD, but
If I don't feel the Joy when I play, I'll move somewhere that can fill that void.

I'm in Dallas, GA Let me know if you need a backup Bass Player.





i say good for you and bass players are needed so you shouldnt even look to be a backup bass player

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Re: UNGRATEFUL
« Reply #17 on: July 09, 2006, 06:23:04 PM »
Find some bass training workshop, camp or conference to go to, gather all the information and take to the pastor along with the cost and ask him to pay for you training.  If it's not to expensive include travel and lodging cost.  Give it to the pastor and see how dedicated to your ministry.  or...even lesson from a local music schoo or school of arts.

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Re: UNGRATEFUL
« Reply #18 on: July 10, 2006, 02:49:12 PM »
GOD places you at a church for 1 of 2 reasons.  Either you need that ministry or that ministry needs you.
 
1. If you are being feed spiritually, then you need the ministry and you should stay and contribute as best you can because you are being blessed and blessing others.  Remember GOD place you there for a reason.

2. If the ministry needs you then you should stay and contribute as best you can because you are being blessed and blessing others.  Remember GOD place you there for a reason.

If neither of these fit or you have fullfilled your reason for being there and your only contribution to the church is playing the bass...they can always find/hire another bass player.

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Re: UNGRATEFUL
« Reply #19 on: July 10, 2006, 03:13:42 PM »
I talked to the Pastor and he feels if I can played for two choirs I can play for three.
I told him he should feel bless with what you have. I may be playing for GOD, but
If I don't feel the Joy when I play, I'll move somewhere that can fill that void.

I'm in Dallas, GA Let me know if you need a backup Bass Player.



Hello. I think that there is a bigger issue at hand that few folks would agree with. I agree with the way you handled things. I think that churches have become too dependent on things to keep it going. Music ministry is a very important ministry in any service. But, I have just one question for the folks who get mad when the musician needs a break or knows their limits and says no. When the music stops, can you still praise Him? This could be God's way of showing the church to go with what you have in His name and not worry about things. I love the ministry that God has placed me in but my Pastor told me that praise must go in no matter what. Is the choir not going to sing because the bass player isn't there? This is my opinion, a choir should be able to minister with or without music. Musicians are human and need rest. MoM and musicians put in crazy time towards their craft giving back to God. Churches need to learn to respect that and be grateful for what they have. If you asked the pastor to preach another service every week without compensation, would he or she do it?

Frie
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