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Re: Is Gospel now R&B??
« Reply #20 on: August 14, 2006, 04:32:16 PM »


MUSIC ALL MUSIC LET ME REPEAT THAT THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS EVIL MUSIC
I HAVE LISTEN TO LOVE SONGS THAT MOVED ME TO BE A BETTER HUSBAND LOVE MY WIFE MORE


so how do you feel about white supremecists music or anti-God music that tells it's listeners to cut themselves and do as many drugs as possible (i.e Death metal)?
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Re: Is Gospel now R&B??
« Reply #21 on: August 14, 2006, 04:45:25 PM »
I DID NOT EXPLAIN MY SELF CORRECTLY
SORRY
MUSIC IS NOT EVIL THE PEOPLE BEHIND IT MAKE IT GOOD OR BAD

AND EVEN DEATH METAL PLAYS OFF OF THE SAME KEYS THAT EVERY OTHER MUSIC PLAYS OFF OF
SO IF A DEATH METAL SONG IS IN THE KEY OF Eb  THEN EVERY SONG IN THE KEY OF Eb IS EVIL
THAT IS WHAT I HAD MEANT

I IS PEOPLE NOT MUSIC WHAT I WAS TRING TO POINT OUT IS YOU CAN NOT PUT OTHER TYPES OF MUSIC IN A BOX AND LABEL IT BECAUSE IT IS NOT GOSPEL

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Re: Is Gospel now R&B??
« Reply #22 on: August 14, 2006, 04:54:58 PM »
MY BOY GETS PAID 63,000 A YEAR TO PLAY DRUMS
TRAVELS WITH THE CHURCH AND ALL EXPENSIS PAID

MY SOUL JUST AS HAPPY I 100 PERCENT AGREE WITH YOU J

BUT MY FLESH MAN

THATS WHAT IM TALKING BOUT IT WOULD BE NICE TO JUST PLAY FOR A LIVING



63,000 ar year, my flesh is kicking in.  I could definately live happy with that.  But on a serious note, I will say that Gospel music is evolving and sometimes the spirit is lost amongst the music.  I'm guilty that I have played to be seen instead of ministry.  I'll be the first to say that I haven't always gone to service with the right thing on my mind, so when I've played, I wasn't playing for the right reasons.  I'm striving daily to be a better christian, I hope that everyone else is as well.
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Re: Is Gospel now R&B??
« Reply #23 on: August 14, 2006, 05:04:16 PM »
FINALLY SOMEONE WHOM IS TRULEY HONEST
BLESS YOU MAN

THAT IS WHAT I WAS TRING TO SAY IT IS HARD SOMETIMES TO KEEP IT STRAIGHT WHEN SOME GET PAID AND MOST OF US DO NOT
IF THAT IS YOUR HEART WE SHOULD ALL BE ABLE TO SPEND OUR LIFES AS WORSHIP MUSICIAN AND GET PAID FOR IT
NOT FOR THE BLING BLING
BUT TO SUPPORT OUR FAMILIES BECOME BETTER MUSICIANS ECT
AND WHERE THE POST STARTED IS THAT THE GOSPEL MUSIC INDUSTRY NOT THE MUSIC IT SELF THE POLITICS BEHIND HAVE BECOME LIKE EVERY OTHER MUSIC
BUSINESS PRACTICE OUT THERE

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Re: Is Gospel now R&B??
« Reply #24 on: August 14, 2006, 05:15:13 PM »
I DID NOT EXPLAIN MY SELF CORRECTLY
SORRY
MUSIC IS NOT EVIL THE PEOPLE BEHIND IT MAKE IT GOOD OR BAD

AND EVEN DEATH METAL PLAYS OFF OF THE SAME KEYS THAT EVERY OTHER MUSIC PLAYS OFF OF
SO IF A DEATH METAL SONG IS IN THE KEY OF Eb  THEN EVERY SONG IN THE KEY OF Eb IS EVIL
THAT IS WHAT I HAD MEANT

I IS PEOPLE NOT MUSIC WHAT I WAS TRING TO POINT OUT IS YOU CAN NOT PUT OTHER TYPES OF MUSIC IN A BOX AND LABEL IT BECAUSE IT IS NOT GOSPEL

I agree with you on this completely
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Re: Is Gospel now R&B??
« Reply #25 on: August 14, 2006, 05:32:07 PM »
I think that the real gospel has a special anointed spirit that goes along with the song.
When I hear the rock gospel there is no anointed spirit that you feel from the song.
But wwhen I hear the songs sung that granma and grandad sang you can feel the special anointed spirit come from the songs.

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Re: Is Gospel now R&B??
« Reply #26 on: August 14, 2006, 09:22:26 PM »
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NO GOSPEL IS NOT R&B

IT IS JAZZ FUNK ROCK COUNTRY CLASSICAL BLUES AND R&B MIXED TOGETHER

AND WHY SHOULD NOT GOSPEL BE MAINSTREM LIKE R&B YOU MEAN TO TELL ME GOD WOULD NOT WANT PRAISE MUSIC ON THE MAIN LINE

THE ONLY REASON THAT IT GETS STICKY LIKE I SAID BEFORE IS THAT THE RECORD COMPANIES TAKE AWAY THE TRUE PURPOSE FOR A PROFIT AND CHANGE THE WHOLE REASON BEHIND THE MUSIC

AND NOW YOUR THE JUDGE / CONDEMER SO ALL ARTIST THAT CAME OUT OF THE CHURCH / CAME OUT OF THE CHURCH
OR ALL ARTIST THAT PERFORM NON GOSPEL MUSIC WORK FOR THE ENEMY
THAT A PRETTY BROAD STATMENT AND JUDGEFULL STATEMENT

SO FEEL FREE TO CONDEM A WHOLE LOT A PEOPLE YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT

AND ILL LEAVE THE GOD ARGUMENT ALONE

MUSIC ALL MUSIC LET ME REPEAT THAT THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS EVIL MUSIC
I HAVE LISTEN TO LOVE SONGS THAT MOVED ME TO BE A BETTER HUSBAND LOVE MY WIFE MORE
MUST OF BEEN ONE OF THOSE ENEMY SERVING ARTISTS

Wow, I see that you are very passionate about this topic.
However; I do believe that you have misconstrued my point.

My point being that a large percent of what has influenced secular (blues, R&B, rock, and even country) music was derived from old negro spirituals and songsters that were brought up singing them. 

I maintain that true Gospel music is a root music not the fruit of other music.
Gospel music in its design should be for the edification and worship of God all mighty.

Secular music on the other hand is for well lets say the edification of the flesh.

That is why we do not hear amazing grace in the club and we do not hear snoop dog in the church…… Well not in most churches (smile)  :D

Now as far as Gospel going mainstream I find no fault in its recent popularity and I agree that the industry will and in many cases has perverted the message for dollar sake.

For argument sake I will have to say that if I believe in holy then I have to believe in unholy (aka evil).

So with that in mind if I believe in holy music then I would have to believe in unholy music as well.

Now I will leave it up to your own interpretation.

By the way I never said that anybody was saved or not saved. That is not my place to say. I will say that compromise is sin and the wages of sin is death (aka separation from God).  As you so eloquently said ” ILL LEAVE THE GOD ARGUMENT ALONE”

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Re: Is Gospel now R&B??
« Reply #27 on: August 14, 2006, 09:34:53 PM »
Gospel Music the genre is Missing Choirs now all we have is groups

LONG LIVE CHOIRS!!!!! ;D

On that note, I don't care how much you try to say "Gospel is not a style", there are certain songs that when you hear them (not just old school traditional either) you KNOW they are gospel, because of how they SOUND!! There are certain chords and progressions (like 7-3-6) that are used frequently in gospel music that are not really found anywhere else, so yes there is such thing as a gospel "SOUND". The fact that we have this very website proves that!

I listen to some of everything and love jazz-infused gospel, but atthe end of the day, when I want to hear gospel I don't want to hear anything that sounds like Beyonce. If I want to hear that, I'll put in BEYONCE'S CD!! I love gospel because of the message, but I also love the gospel SOUND, and my favorite type of music is gospel that SOUNDS like gospel! There's NOTHING like an awesome CHOIR!That's my OPINION and I'm sticking to it!! ;)


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Re: Is Gospel now R&B??
« Reply #28 on: August 14, 2006, 11:10:04 PM »
WELL THE GOD ARGUMENT

WHAT I MEANT I DO NOT PUT THE HOLY HAT ON JUST TO DISCUSS MUSIC OR TYPES OF MUSIC
MAINLY WHAT I DO ON THIS SITE IS POST PAGES AND PAGES OF MUSIC THEORY (BERKLEE) TO SHARE WITH OTHERS

AND YES I AM VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT MY MUSIC BECAUSE I PRODUCE PLAY AND PERFORM BOTH SECULAR AND GOSPEL AND WHEN THE UNHOLY OR EVIL STATEMENTS COME IN I GET VERY DEFENSIVE (SORRY) BECAUSE MY (SECULAR MUSIC) REALLY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PLEASING THE FLESH AND ALL OF THE OTHER COMMENTS PEOPLE COME UP WITH

I AM A MUSICIAN WRITING MUSIC

DO NOT GET ME WRONG I DO NOT CLAIM TO BE CORRECT JUST MY VIEWS

EXAMPLE I AM SAVED GOD FEARING MAN DO I SPEAK TO GOD ALOT OH YES I DO
BUT EVERYTHING THAT COMES OUT OF MY MOUTH IS IT A BIBLE VERSE NO IT IS NOT
ON THE SAME TOKEN DO I TRY AND KEEP FROM SPEAKING WAYS I SHOULD NOT YES

SAME WITH MY MUSIC
DO I WRITE PRAISE OH COURSE BUT DO I ALSO WRITE A SONG ABOUT RELATIONSHIPS, LIFE, WORLD EVENTS YES,
AND BECAUSE IT IS NOT PRAISE IT IS BAD NO I DO NOT THINK SO
SOMETIMES NO LYRICS AT ALL

OH ONE OF MY SECULAR SONGS

http://media.learngospelmusic.com/displayimage.php?album=random&cat=94445&pos=-1824

SO IS MY SONG ABOUT RELATIONSHIPS UNHOLY

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Re: Is Gospel now R&B??
« Reply #29 on: August 15, 2006, 09:31:47 AM »
Bro. Thomas1168,
1st let me say that I applaud your passion and your love for music. I also thank you for your contribution to LGM and even this debate. We may not agree on everything but we can learn from one another and that makes forums like this so important.

Please don’t get me wrong I am not coming against you or what you do. I just maintain a view of separation of music for ministry and other forms of music. I do not believe that they are the same. No more than do I believe that a speech by a good orator that moves me is necessarily pulpit material. All things have a place this is why we call secular (secular) and gospel (gospel).

The discussion topic started with a question about gospel being R&B.  The funny part is that we agree that music is music and even to the degree that it’s the people or spirit behind the music that make it positive or negative.

In fact we may very well be arguing points that are merely semantics.

We seem to differ in our belief that gospel is or is not myriad of other genres music.

Well I agree with you if you are saying genres in gospel music to mean (styles): we have gospel rap, country gospel, gospel rock and so on.

I will disagree though if you are saying that secular county, rap, r&b, rock and so on is true gospel or influences true gospel music.

I maintain that ministry is ministry and secular is secular by design and intent and that the majority of music in America is derived from a gospel influence not the other way around.

So, I conclude that in my opinion gospel is not r&b.

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Re: Is Gospel now R&B??
« Reply #30 on: August 15, 2006, 09:53:18 AM »
As musicians we are here to support the words that are coming across.It's the words thats gonna deliver(songs suppose to be based off scripture for its affectiveness). Now we as musicians can and on some occassion tainted it by putting self first.Always let God move and we follow. Thats when what we do be effective!!!!
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Re: Is Gospel now R&B??
« Reply #31 on: August 15, 2006, 10:51:46 AM »
I know you have more posts before this one thomas1168, but I hear what you are saying and I often feel the same way as you do.

It's difficult to take God's music out of the Church and to minister in a format that keeps its integrity and can be interpreted without conflict because it will always be criticised.  I lived with that challenge for over 5yrs when I was a recording and performing Christian rock musician whilst signed to a mainstream secular record company…one of the biggest in the business.  Now, our music wasn’t exactly light!  It was pretty hardcore stuff.  A lot (oh…a heck of a lot!) of people from the Church and many other Christian associations often kept their knives sharpened and were very quick to criticise what we were doing.  I use to get emails and anonymous posts on our message board telling me that I was an anti-christ because of the style of the music that we played and that we were signed to a secular label.  Our singer wrote very clever lyrics which consisted of his life experiences before he came to the Lord and how the Devil haunts him with his past so that he can come in-between his relationship with God.  Believe me, he was no angel in his former life…there are two books published about his life and how he got saved!  He has a past that would turn you green, but because of that God has used him as a great witness of his power and glory.  We saw a lot of kids relate to him and we helped a lot more come to the Lord.  The vehicle that we used was deemed ‘unconventional’ and ‘confrontational’.  When we first started the band we tried to get signed by a Christian label.  This is not an exaggeration; every company in the UK weren’t interested.  We were approached by Universal during the time where bands like Limp Bizkit and Korn exploded onto the scene.  A year later several UK Christian record companies started to follow suit, but even if we waited to get signed by one of those companies they wouldn’t have the financial muscle or even know what the heck to do with us or where to place us.  It sucked being signed to a major, but they did put us into places where a Christian label wouldn’t dare to put us.  That was the advantage that we had and we made more of an impact on peoples lives because we met them on their ground…not ours.  Even I very frequently failed to understand how God was using us effectively in some pretty challenging environments.  So, was what we did ‘Gospel’?  Does God’s message stop being ‘Gospel’ once it has left the Church?  That’s really open to your own interpretation, but I believe God’s message and how it travels is more malleable than what most of us will ever understand.

I left that band almost 3yrs ago because of a major disagreement I had with our management and since then I have been working with the Youth Ministry at my Church and I get frequent session work on a part-time basis.  My day job pays pretty badly and I have a house that needs a lot of renovation, so I need the extra income.  I have a few agents that get me the session work and there have been many instances where my participation on an official recording has been out of my control or I have been misled to what the music is being used for.  A lot of the time I enter the studio and all I have to play with is a click track, maybe drums and some keyboards.  I do my couple of hours of studio time, pack up and go home and a cheque for my fee arrives in the post two weeks later.  I sometimes get a brief overview of what the project is for, but it doesn’t always turn out to what I have initially been informed.  I always ask for a master copy when the final release has been cut for my portfolio.  What I perform on can end up being used anywhere in-between a professional artist and a TV commercial for cattle feed in Romania…I never know until I get the master copy.  Back in October 2005 I was asked to take my upright to a session to lay down some grooves for a hip-hop recording.  That’s all I was told.  At the time I thought it was the easiest jobs I have ever done as the engineers sat there and listened to me free style over very basic drum loops.  They took little snips of what they liked the most and that was my job done.  My agent sent me the master copy in the mail back in February this year and I was shocked.  My work ended up on a debut hip-hop album for a well-known underground artist in the UK.  ‘Great!’ I thought, until I listened to it.  The lyrics are incredibly vulgar and offensive…there is no other way to describe it.  There is one track on the album that uses one of my lines that is spoken in Spanish.  My girlfriend speaks fluent Spanish and she translated it for me.  She said that there is not one line in that song that doesn’t use a profanity or a disgusting sexual reference.  I felt so embarrassed.  I immediately picked up the phone and went crazy with agent that gave me that job.  He excuse (which is a common one with every agent I have used) is that he tells me what he has been told about what ‘may’ happen to my work.  Sometimes my name will get credited if my work ends up on an artist release, but on this occasion, thankfully it didn’t.  That was probably the worst moment of my professional experience.  Great thing about session work is that you are not contracted unless you officially perform with the artist; therefore you are not credited for royalties and appearances.  I very rarely work on a project that will eventually be officially released for a secular artist.  A lot of the work I do is what is called ‘Library’ recordings.  It will be on file for a media publishing company and if they use it then it will be used for whatever.  You have no control over what it will be used for at that point and more than often you will never find out either.

As a Christian and being musically active in and out of the Church in various duties I have always been challenged to keep my integrity.  Yes, sometimes I have failed to do that and couldn’t find that ‘performance’ on/off button on the back of my head…it happens to the best of us from time to time.  When I originally posted this topic I merely stated from an unbiased discussion that I had from a long-standing member of my Church and whom I hold a lot of respect for and I wanted to challenge both experienced and new musicians being used in the Church.  I just wanted to see the opinions from a musician stand point to the Gospel v R&B dilemma.  I didn’t want to make my opinion clear to keep the topic unbiased, so I will have my say now:

It’s not really a dilemma as far as I am concerned in the context of genres being used in and out of the Church.  It doesn’t matter what ‘style’ of music you prefer to praise & worship to or to minister with.  Music ministry comes in all kinds of designs and packages and will be identified as such… Contemporary, Hymn etc… IMHO, I have treated every style used in the Church, no matter of its origin, as ‘Gospel’ in its true meaning.  What does that word mean?  ‘Good word’.  That can carry itself in any music form.  We mostly use that word to identify a style of music that originated from African-American churches back in the 1930’s.  Is Gospel now R&B?  No…R&B is just another style of music.  I think of Gospel as a culture which is centred around a core of music and has many shades and colours and not necessarily as any specific style of music.  To debate if R&B originated from Gospel or even if it has replaced it is a topic I have no interest about because I really don't care in all honesty.  That's open to your own interpretation and you are entitled to it and I respect it.  It's music that can enjoyed and be used for God's glory and that's all I am concerned about.  I am from a Jazz background and I hear these types of debates about styles all the time and it really bores me.  If it's good music that people enjoy and use...let it be.  I am not the 'music style' police and I don't determine right or wrong in music trends.

Okay, now onto the performance issue!  I believe if the focus is God then you will be used for his glory and he will be mighty.  Take your eyes of him and start thinking more about your ego then he will not move.  That's not my opinion, that's just a fact of life as a Christian.  There is nothing wrong with using performance in ministry as a medium because it has been a proven method of bringing people to God for many years, but when it takes over and spills into praise & worship then the congregation become spectators…not participants.  Yes, use your giftings, be passionate about your giftings, always seek to improve yourself, give thanks for what God has given you and celebrate it, but understanding your role and applying yourself the needs of your Church is so important.  Every Church worships differently and if you want to party like it’s 1999 or choose to worship with to the sound of bagpipes then that’s great…may God bless you, but understanding the needs and vision of your Church and keeping God in the fold is paramount.

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Re: Is Gospel now R&B??
« Reply #32 on: August 15, 2006, 10:55:33 AM »
Somebody put me in the key of E#

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Re: Is Gospel now R&B??
« Reply #33 on: August 15, 2006, 11:11:13 AM »
I REPECT YOU VIEW AND I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU ARE COMING FROM

BUT I DID NOT SAY THAT GOSPEL COMES FROM SECULAR MUSIC

SECULAR MUSIC INFLUENCES GOSPEL GOSPEL INFUENCES SECULAR JAZZ ROCK WHATEVER

AS A ARTIST THE HOT SOUND NEW SOUND WILL AND ALWAYS HAVE INFUENCED EVERY GENRE

BUT THAT COULD BE A WHOLE SEPERATE POST

QUESTION HOW MANY GOSPEL ARTISTS HAVE AND ARE PLAYING HOW CAN I SAY THIS UP TO DATE MUSIC WHAT IN RIGHT NOW
THE CURRENT SOUND HIP HOP TIBALAND ECT, MARY MARY, KIRK FRED ECT

THE ARE GETTING THERE IDEAS FROM POPULAR MUSIC (THEY HAVE TO THEY ARE TRING TO GET THROUGHT TO THE YOUNG GENERATION AND THAT GENERATION HAS ITS SOUND JUST LIKE THE 50 60 70 80 90S

WHERE I THINK YOU ARE GETTING CONFUSED IS THE LYRICS

AS A MUSICIAN I AM SAYING MUSIC IS MUSIC A COMBINATIONS OF STYLE SOME GOOD GREAT AND BAD
THE BEST IS ALL STYLES MIXED

I CAN RECORD A SONG WITH A SPOON AND POTS AND PANS AND SING THANK YOU LORD OVER IT

IT IS THE MESSAGE WITH IN THE MUSIC

I BELIEVE GOSPEL IS THE SAME AS R&B JAZZ ANND EVERY OTHER KIND OF GOOD MUSIC OUT THEIR
IT IS A MIX OF EVERYTHING
TODAYS MUSIC OLD SCHOOL ECT


2 WEEKS AGO PHONE CALL AT 9:30 PM
NOW WHEN SONY BMI CALLS AND SAY THOMAS WE LIKE THE SONG ( PRAISE HIS NAME) GOSPEL SONG FOR *&**&**
BUT THOMAS THE ARTIST WANTS THAT NEPTUNE FEEL ON THE DRUMS TRACK WE NEED IT BY THE END OF THE MONTH

OR EVEN THE SONG I POSTED LIKES SONG BUT LYRICS NEED WORK

THIS HAPPENS DAILY AND THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I AM SPEAKING OF

 

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Re: Is Gospel now R&B??
« Reply #34 on: August 15, 2006, 11:20:35 AM »

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There is nothing wrong with using performance in ministry as a medium because it has been a proven method of bringing people to God for many years, but when it takes over and spills into praise & worship then the congregation become spectators…not participants.  Yes, use your giftings, be passionate about your giftings, always seek to improve yourself, give thanks for what God has given you and celebrate it, but understanding your role and applying yourself the needs of your Church is so important.


Bro. Andrzej,
I like the way you concluded especially the above.
Great testimony by the way….


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Re: Is Gospel now R&B??
« Reply #35 on: August 15, 2006, 11:32:53 AM »
I REPECT YOU VIEW AND I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU ARE COMING FROM

BUT I DID NOT SAY THAT GOSPEL COMES FROM SECULAR MUSIC
 

And I didn't quote you or anyone else that has posted to this topic?   ?/?   I haven't made any remark about agreeing or disagreeing that Gospel comes from Secular music either, whether it be my opinion or otherwise??   ?/?

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Re: Is Gospel now R&B??
« Reply #36 on: August 15, 2006, 11:36:01 AM »
THE ANSWER TO JEME YES IT IS

AND TO ANDRE
WE ARE ON THE SAME PAGE MAN

ALL I DO IS GET CALLS ABOUT I NEED THIS TO SOUND LIKE THIS OR SOUND LIKE THAT
AND WHAT THEY ARE DOING IS TRY TO APPEAL TO A AGE GROUP THAT IS IT
IT IS NOT EVIL OR UNHOLY

BUT UNDERSTAND I AM SPEAKING ABOT THE MUSIC ONLY NOT ALL OF THE TRASH BEHIND MOST OF SECULAR MUSIC

WORKING WITH DIFFERENT ARTISTS
SECULAR OR GOSPEL THEY ALL ARE STILL HUMAN
AND BELIEVE YOU ME IT IS ALL ABOUT PERFORMANCE IN THE END

UNLESS THE WANT THEIR CONTRACT DROPPED

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Re: Is Gospel now R&B??
« Reply #37 on: August 15, 2006, 11:43:50 AM »
Apologies thomas1168...I didn't realise you were referring to somebody else's post.  Forgive me bro!  I feel like an idiot!   :P

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Re: Is Gospel now R&B??
« Reply #38 on: August 15, 2006, 11:47:49 AM »
ANDRZEJ
THE LAST 4 POSTS WERE NOT DIRECTED AT YOU MAN

COME TO THINK ABOUT IT
I HAVE USED ALL BOUT LOVE IN OUR MARRAIGE / COUPLES MINISTRY
AND IT WAS GREATLY ACCEPTED
NOT FOR MY GLORY BUT FOR SHARING A RELATIONSHIP EXPERIENCE

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Re: Is Gospel now R&B??
« Reply #39 on: August 15, 2006, 11:48:47 AM »
THE ANSWER TO JEME YES IT IS


you have a great voice man.
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