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problems with solos....
« on: August 19, 2006, 04:43:35 AM »
idk lately ive been trying to watch drummers solo like the kind where they are playing with no other music and its just boring even the greatest of the greatest.... yes what there doing is AMAZING but its boring it sounds like a bunch of noise without the music idk if this is an ignorant comment or what but drum solos are getting boring!!! theres a couple drummers that keep my attention lik ethis one... somethings about steve smith he keeps my attention....

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Re: problems with solos....
« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2006, 04:20:52 PM »
YO! that Steve Smith clip was killin doc! :o

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Re: problems with solos....
« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2006, 06:32:19 PM »
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Re: problems with solos....
« Reply #3 on: August 19, 2006, 11:00:51 PM »
idk lately ive been trying to watch drummers solo like the kind where they are playing with no other music and its just boring even the greatest of the greatest.... yes what there doing is AMAZING but its boring it sounds like a bunch of noise without the music idk if this is an ignorant comment or what but drum solos are getting boring!!! theres a couple drummers that keep my attention lik ethis one... somethings about steve smith he keeps my attention....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9RFAl48tgI&mode=related&search=


I think that you are looking to be "impressed" (wowed, etc) too much and not allowing yourself to appreciate the musicality, structure, technique, nuances of the performance. This happens because you come into the viewing with unnecessary and unwarranted expectations and looking to "snag some new licks". IN actuality most with this mentality have not fully explored/studied and mastered (and made them there own for apllication at any appropriate time) the ones they have already stolen. That is disrespectful to the craft and the artist. My teacher told me that he saw Dennis Chambers in a clinic and Dennis told the audience that he blazed at the beginning of the performance because audiences basically want him to cut his veins open and bleed for/into them all that he has musically. He doesn't do it in that clinic setting by personal preference.

Enjoy Steve Smith playing emmensly. I enjoy his overall approach and respect to music and drumset. That performance is from the Buddy Rich Tribute Concert which feature Phil Collins, Dennis Chambers and Steve Smith. Steve was on fire the whole show.
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Re: problems with solos....
« Reply #4 on: August 19, 2006, 11:07:10 PM »
idk lately ive been trying to watch drummers solo like the kind where they are playing with no other music and its just boring even the greatest of the greatest.... yes what there doing is AMAZING but its boring it sounds like a bunch of noise without the music idk if this is an ignorant comment or what but drum solos are getting boring!!! theres a couple drummers that keep my attention lik ethis one... somethings about steve smith he keeps my attention....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9RFAl48tgI&mode=related&search=


I think that you are looking to be "impressed" (wowed, etc) too much and not allowing yourself to appreciate the musicality, structure, technique, nuances of the performance. This happens because you come into the viewing with unnecessary and unwarranted expectations and looking to "snag some new licks". In actuality most with this mentality have not fully explored/studied and mastered (and made them there own for apllication at any appropriate time) the ones they have already stolen. That is disrespectful to the craft and the artist. Lack of understanding brings about a lack of appreciation and non-recognition of the beauty/power of the details. My teacher told me that he saw Dennis Chambers in a clinic and Dennis told the audience that he blazed at the beginning of the performance because audiences basically want him to cut his veins open and bleed for/into them all that he has musically. He doesn't do it in that clinic setting by personal preference.

Enjoy Steve Smith playing emmensly. I enjoy his overall approach and respect to music and drumset. That performance is from the Buddy Rich Tribute Concert which feature Phil Collins, Dennis Chambers and Steve Smith. Steve was on fire the whole show.
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Re: problems with solos....
« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2006, 11:27:51 PM »
ur pretty much right but at the same time i feel somepeople make easy things look REAL technical to the point where it becomes boring or like the stuff they are doing is so technical that it becomes like lame i think you are right tho im use to going to a "gospel" shed where they show all they licks within the firsty 2 minutes lol imma work on that
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Re: problems with solos....
« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2006, 11:23:38 AM »
We sometimes mistake preference for ignorance. Your preference is to hear a drum solo while other instruments are still playing. That's my preference as well. I didn't grow up listening to a bunch of gospel drummers. My first drum solo experience was Dave Weckl. Then Dennis Chambers. I don't really care for Weckl anymore. I think it's because I can't STAND to watch drummers play with a traditional grip. It has nothing to do with their licks. I don't like the way it looks. I don't care what anyone thinks about my comments, I'm just being honest. . .it's my preference and I'm not ignorant.

Here's my point. . . a few months ago I made a comment about Virgil Donati boring me to tears. . . and I was eaten up for it. I still don't like him, so it was a waste of others' electronic breath. He bores me to death because he's not doing that stuff with other musicians. (Not to mention he has no idea that his life is supposed to be a balance of music and other aspects. You can't eat drums, drums won't listen when you talk, they won't give you advice, they won't get you into Heaven. I think his life is a little one-sided. . .but I digress.)

Anyway, my personal preference is for drummers to solo on top of a continuous, repeating groove that is set by the other members of the band. Chris Dave does this with Robert Glasper; Dennis does it on his older videos; Nat Townsley does it on the Modern Drummer video. That way, when they go off on a tangent, I realize how great these guys' sense of timing is. Plus, what they're doing is in tune and in touch with the rest of the musicians.

I'm a musician, and I know what I like. If you have a brain that works, you, too can have your own thoughts and preferences. The catch is, there is always something you can learn. . . even if it's not pleasing to your ears or eyes. If you hear it, see if there's something you can get out of it. If you don't like it, don't listen to it. How effective is music if no one is enjoying it? I don't care what anybody says, it's ignorant for us to think that the music we listen to is not supposed to be enjoyed by our ears. If that's the thought on this, then some of us are missing the point of music completely.

And remember, you don't have to like everybody's playing. . . even if they are doing things that are technically difficult. That doesn't make them great musicians. Educated? Maybe. Musicians? Not necessarily. And even if they are great musicians, you don't have to like the way they do what they do. Point blank.

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Re: problems with solos....
« Reply #7 on: August 21, 2006, 12:57:48 PM »
I really enjoyed that clip. I always thoroughly enjoy Steve Smith...


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Re: problems with solos....
« Reply #8 on: August 21, 2006, 01:23:47 PM »
thats it!!!! bald eagle hit the nail on the head!!!!! first i like music that u can like kinda move to stuff that has a happy beat (u usually hear this in gospel slash funk...) but thats it i like to hear the solo while a bands playing for instance the RAIN on is one im prett ymuch tired of hearing that one but thas an example or the tony royster one he did on his dvd cuz i like to see how people incorporate there crazy fills and stuff with a band and see how they can make um musical yeah but bald eagle said EXACTLY what i was trying to say...
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Re: problems with solos....
« Reply #9 on: August 21, 2006, 04:32:09 PM »
We sometimes mistake preference for ignorance. Your preference is to hear a drum solo while other instruments are still playing. That's my preference as well. I didn't grow up listening to a bunch of gospel drummers. My first drum solo experience was Dave Weckl. Then Dennis Chambers. I don't really care for Weckl anymore. I think it's because I can't STAND to watch drummers play with a traditional grip. It has nothing to do with their licks. I don't like the way it looks. I don't care what anyone thinks about my comments, I'm just being honest. . .it's my preference and I'm not ignorant.

Here's my point. . . a few months ago I made a comment about Virgil Donati boring me to tears. . . and I was eaten up for it. I still don't like him, so it was a waste of others' electronic breath. He bores me to death because he's not doing that stuff with other musicians.


Totally unfounded statement...

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http://www.virgildonati.com/videos/highlights/highlights-vdband052006.wmv

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(Not to mention he has no idea that his life is supposed to be a balance of music and other aspects. You can't eat drums, drums won't listen when you talk, they won't give you advice, they won't get you into Heaven. I think his life is a little one-sided. . .but I digress.)


So, let me get this straight you are dawgin' the man for being a dedicated steward and mastering his craft? Living out what he was put here to do.... okay. If their are drums in heaven a he gets there
He will probably be one of the ones playing them.... because of his diligence.
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Re: problems with solos....
« Reply #10 on: August 21, 2006, 04:40:19 PM »
thats it!!!! bald eagle hit the nail on the head!!!!! first i like music that u can like kinda move to stuff that has a happy beat (u usually hear this in gospel slash funk...) but thats it i like to hear the solo while a bands playing for instance the RAIN on is one im prett ymuch tired of hearing that one but thas an example or the tony royster one he did on his dvd cuz i like to see how people incorporate there crazy fills and stuff with a band and see how they can make um musical yeah but bald eagle said EXACTLY what i was trying to say...

A solo means that one person is playing, has the spotlight....

Virgil does incorporate his chops within the band setting. In fact it is written into his compositions (he writes & composes).

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« Reply #11 on: August 21, 2006, 06:22:04 PM »
Solo means a improvised Segment of a Musical Work/Song,Accompanied or Unaccompanied,And in some cases a Solo can be a Featured segment of a Musical work/Song not Improvised Accompanied or Unaccompanied.

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« Reply #12 on: August 22, 2006, 01:25:06 PM »
Totally unfounded statement...

http://www.virgildonati.com/videos/highlights/highlights-cabband101504_01.wmv
http://www.virgildonati.com/videos/highlights/highlights-vdband052006.wmv

So, let me get this straight you are dawgin' the man for being a dedicated steward and mastering his craft? Living out what he was put here to do.... okay. If their are drums in heaven a he gets there
He will probably be one of the ones playing them.... because of his diligence.


No, no, no . . . I think you misunderstood me. I made a comment back then about him not doing that stuff with a band. Then I was directed to a clip of him playing with some other guys. That's cool. I guess I should have used the word bored instead of bores. I saw him play with the band, but I still was not really into his stuff. My statement was more about personal preference.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not confused. I still don't really care for his playing. I don't have to. And when we get to Heaven, if Virgil makes it, I probably would be at another part of the service.  ;D (By the way, we get into Heaven through the Blood of Jesus Christ and by having our names written in the Lamb's Book Of Life, not by dilligence. It's by God's Grace, not by works.) I don't have to like him just because he can do a lot of stuff, or because he can do stuff that I can or cannot do, or because of his technique, or because he can use it in a band. I just don't really care for his playing.

My original post was to remind some of us that we're not ignorant just because we don't like listening to guys that others think are geniuses. Nothing more, nothing less.

And yes, I'm dawgin' anybody who places their "craft" (addiction) over personal hygiene, study of God's Word (which is REALLY what 2 Timothy 2:15 is about), or anything else that a sane person would know should be done. We as men are supposed to be balanced creatures. There is nothing brilliant about someone who only does 1 thing all day. Anybody who decided that they were going to give up everything else in life could become masters. Some of us choose to have balanced lives. And I tell you what I know: no gig, music job, spiritual assignment, or purpose that I have could be taken away from me by Virgil Donati or anyone else. . . if it's truly my assignment. Do I have to never cut, comb, or brush my hair to be great? No. Virgil Donati will never be as influential as my pastor. . . and he's always well-groomed. That doesn't make my pastor any less dedicated than Virgil. . . just cleaner. And it shows that he knows a little better the concept of being well-rounded.

I don't really care for Virgil's playing. I'm not saying he's not dedicated, or committed. I'm not saying he hasn't mastered his "craft." I'm saying I don't care for his playing. And I'm also saying that just because we don't all like the same people's playing doesn't necessarily mean that any of us are any less mature than anyone else.

This is not a personal attack on Sabe. So nobody start getting things twisted. However, Sabe, I am interested to read your response.
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« Reply #13 on: August 22, 2006, 02:07:45 PM »
No, no, no . . . I think you misunderstood me. I made a comment back then about him not doing that stuff with a band. Then I was directed to a clip of him playing with some other guys. That's cool. I guess I should have used the word bored instead of bores. I saw him play with the band, but I still was not really into his stuff. My statement was more about personal preference.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not confused. I still don't really care for his playing. I don't have to. And when we get to Heaven, if Virgil makes it, I probably would be at another part of the service.  ;D (By the way, we get into Heaven through the Blood of Jesus Christ and by having our names written in the Lamb's Book Of Life, not by dilligence. It's by God's Grace, not by works.) I don't have to like him just because he can do a lot of stuff, or because he can do stuff that I can or cannot do, or because of his technique, or because he can use it in a band. I just don't really care for his playing.

My original post was to remind some of us that we're not ignorant just because we don't like listening to guys that others think are geniuses. Nothing more, nothing less.

And yes, I'm dawgin' anybody who places their "craft" (addiction) over personal hygiene, study of God's Word (which is REALLY what 2 Timothy 2:15 is about), or anything else that a sane person would know should be done. We as men are supposed to be balanced creatures. There is nothing brilliant about someone who only does 1 thing all day. Anybody who decided that they were going to give up everything else in life could become masters. Some of us choose to have balanced lives. And I tell you what I know: no gig, music job, spiritual assignment, or purpose that I have could be taken away from me by Virgil Donati or anyone else. . . if it's truly my assignment. Do I have to never cut, comb, or brush my hair to be great? No. Virgil Donati will never be as influential as my pastor. . . and he's always well-groomed. That doesn't make my pastor any less dedicated than Virgil. . . just cleaner. And it shows that he knows a little better the concept of being well-rounded.

I don't really care for Virgil's playing. I'm not saying he's not dedicated, or committed. I'm not saying he hasn't mastered his "craft." I'm saying I don't care for his playing. And I'm also saying that just because we don't all like the same people's playing doesn't necessarily mean that any of us are any less mature than anyone else.

This is not a personal attack on Sabe. So nobody start getting things twisted. However, Sabe, I am interested to read your response.

I never said that diligence in itself would get us to heaven. I simply pointed out a fact reinterated throughout he Bible that diligence is desired by God. If in we do all things as unto the Lord then we would/should be diligent.
As far as appearences Virgil dresses in a style comfortable and conducive to what he does. Having seen/met him before he combs/cuts hair and baths etc like most sane/capable people do so you sarcastic statements have nothing to stand on still. Aside from that they seem highly judgemental to something that has nothing to do with the discussion at hand.
If I remember correctly you have worked as a teacher in the school system... I would expect you to expound more conducsive to open-minded/receptive thing rather than close-minded statements of intollerence like"... and I don't have to". I think that contributes to the growth of those whom are seeking direction and growth.
Virgil is more than a drummer. He is a MUSICIAN, pure and simple. He is a learned, discipline multi-instrumentalist and composer of music whom does L.A. sessions work as well as tours and teaches online and public/live clinics. He is constantly seeking knowledge and sharing it... he is a teacher and student. His religious and spiritual beliefs are not at question here... particular in the fact that he primarily does instrumental music. We must be careful to not condemn folks you know.

Personally I wish more "church" musicians/players would show as much deligence in their service to the kingdom. Instead of the "I don't need to know how to do that" ignorant mentality that is all too prevalent. Those displays often cause us to grow up in a "less-than-we-should-be" status.
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Re: problems with solos....
« Reply #14 on: August 23, 2006, 02:50:15 PM »
Man Steve Smith is my hero!!!!!!!!!LOL j/k  I love the clip!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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« Reply #15 on: August 23, 2006, 03:16:25 PM »
John The Baptist did only one thing his whole life... ;D
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« Reply #16 on: August 25, 2006, 06:13:06 PM »
John The Baptist did only one thing his whole life... ;D

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