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Re: Someone's living a lie, somebody's going to hell.
« Reply #20 on: September 15, 2006, 09:03:51 AM »
A little word study....

Prophesy -----to declare the truths through the inspiration of God's Holy Spirit whether by prediction or otherwise..........Thus one may prophesy without being a prophet in the strict sense of the word.

Reference - The Complete Word Study Dictionary


When you pull scripture, study it in content and context, and also, find out what words mean in the original language. This particular passage is not stating that a woman would be in the shepherding role in the church.



Let me clarify before anyone mistake my response, I am not commenting on the original poster's comments, nor will I.



Since you're not going to comment, wanna HOT LINK?!  ;D :D ;D :D
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Re: Someone's living a lie, somebody's going to hell.
« Reply #21 on: September 15, 2006, 09:07:50 AM »
Oh I know mamaT lol, i knew wut it meant....I guess I should clarify too, I was saying there is nothing wrong with women preaching the gospel. I do however understand a woman must be submitted to someone, and that is usually there husband, who is most likely the pastor (such as urself). There are exceptions though. Well this isnt often, BUT, my dear friend Pastor Brenda Timberlake is the pastor at her church. Now many of you knew or heard of her husband, Pastor Mack Timberlake, who went home to be with the Lord a few years ago. Anyway, since she is not remarried she is still pastoring her church...I dont think thats wrong. All in all, i understood that MaMaT and prolly shoulda clarified wut i was sayin....thanks..


Psss (from what Bishop NJ is saying you shouldnt b ministerin  either...I think you should pull him in...Conference Room Z! lol )


It was only a matter of time before you start dropping......I digress.

If you knew better, you would not have used that scripture as a point of reference. And the 1 pt comment---- notice how satan successfully uses Christian people to stir up stuff even when they don't even realize it-----after I said I wasn't commenting on the topic you made boldly saying Bishop was ALSO talking about me. Hmmmmmm....... It reminds me of a book we studied "When Godly People Do Ungodly Things"...... Satan will use sanctified folks to throw out bait at other sanctified folk.   Grow in grace.....

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Re: Someone's living a lie, somebody's going to hell.
« Reply #22 on: September 15, 2006, 09:10:35 AM »


Since you're not going to comment, wanna HOT LINK?!  ;D :D ;D :D

Ooohh, a hot link. Yes indeed. Man you got every thing. How about some hot wings and a salad. If we gonna do this let's do it right! LOL!  ;D ;D ;D

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Re: Someone's living a lie, somebody's going to hell.
« Reply #23 on: September 15, 2006, 09:10:36 AM »
,,,and on that note....please pass the popcorn!



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Re: Someone's living a lie, somebody's going to hell.
« Reply #24 on: September 15, 2006, 09:13:40 AM »


I GOT THE PIZZA & WINGS!!


Aaahhh, there are the wings.....are they hot wings?

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Re: Someone's living a lie, somebody's going to hell.
« Reply #25 on: September 15, 2006, 09:33:46 AM »

It was only a matter of time before you start dropping......I digress.

If you knew better, you would not have used that scripture as a point of reference. And the 1 pt comment---- notice how satan successfully uses Christian people to stir up stuff even when they don't even realize it-----after I said I wasn't commenting on the topic you made boldly saying Bishop was ALSO talking about me. Hmmmmmm....... It reminds me of a book we studied "When Godly People Do Ungodly Things"...... Satan will use sanctified folks to throw out bait at other sanctified folk.   Grow in grace.....

and I disgress...now I see yall can joke but I cant...well good glad I have that understanding so I know now not to joke ne more.....so I will be serious.
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Re: Someone's living a lie, somebody's going to hell.
« Reply #26 on: September 15, 2006, 09:40:01 AM »
Wow! That's a lot. Well Bishop if you don't mind me assuming (and it's band to assume, trust me) you must be Apostolic (Holiness, UPC, COOLJC, etc...).

First, the reason behind all these denominations is the fact the even though the Word is infallible, there is no such thing as infallible interpretation. (Unless someone knows someone who's right about everything in the Bible). So to be fair everybody is "lying" and "everybody" is going to hell. But thank God for His GRACE.

Before I continue I grew up Apostolic so I can see where you are coming from.

Second, the whole issue about baptism in the name of F/S/HG and Jesus name...that is due to some interpreting Jesus's Great Commision literally and some interpreting Peter's Pentecost Sermon literally. I am all for being baptized in Jesus name. But, I also believe if one knows what being baptized in the name of F/S/HG implies that there is nothing wrong with that.

Now the whole issue of women preaching...whatever may be the meaning of praying and prophesying in respect to the man, they have precisely the same meaning in respect to the woman. The word "preach" literally means to prophesy in the sense of edification, exhortation, and comfort. And this kind of prophesying or teaching was predicted by Joel 2:28, and referred to by Peter (Acts 2:17). And, had there not been such gifts bestowed on woman, the prophecy could not have had its fulfilment.

Now the teaching of the Trinity...and before I continue, no the term "Trinity" isn't in the Bible like the tere "Rapture" isn't but it is implied. In no way does the idea of the Trinity take away from the Oneness of God. God is 3 in 1. I know it sounds crazy...it's like hearing 1+1+1=1...but that is part of the mystery of God. We can not hope to fully understand God's nature (unless you know someone who knows God inside and out like that!).

Now doc, you was preachin on the fact of a sanctified life. AMEN! The Bible says to present our bodies as a living sacrifice holy and acceptable unto God...which is true worship (NIV). Yes, santification is a process but you shall know a tree by it's fruit...yeah doc you preachin on that one.   :)

Mark 16:17 says "And these signs shall follow them that believe In my name shall they cast out devils they shall speak with new tongues..." Can we say that everyone you know who TRULY speaks in tongues are saved, even if they live a sinful lifestyle? So how can we say those who live a redeemed lifestyle and haven't spoken in tongues aren't saved? And if tonques can be evidence what about casting out devils? The verse says those who believe in my name shall cast out devils. So what about those who cast out devils but don't speak in tonges?  I've seen it myself and i'm many others have also. Jesus said it himself a house divided cannot stand. Jesus said "Satan cannot cast out Satan". What about those who speak in tongues and don't cast out devils? They are both signs.

When is hair considered long? Can hair truly keep us out the Kingdom? How do we know Jesus or any of the Apostles didn't have long hair?

These are just some things to think about. By the way, I am a minister in a starch Apostolic church. My pastor and bishops see no errancy in what I just said.

I hope this is taken in love, because I love everyone here. How? It's called AGAPE love.  ;) But you are right...someone's lying and somebody's going to hell--i just don't thing we have the say so as to who is going, that's left up to the Judge.  ;D

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Re: Someone's living a lie, somebody's going to hell.
« Reply #27 on: September 15, 2006, 09:58:09 AM »
Here's one for you....

Gays, Lezbians, Catholics, Protestants, Jews, Arabs, Muslims... you'all are always welcome at my church. I'm never going to tell you want to think either. I'm not going to tell you how to live. I'm going to LOVE YOU. I'm going to point you to the one who changed my life and the lives of my family, and that's JESUS.

I'm going to let the Holy Spirit teach you everything you need to know about how to live and I'm not going to become the Holy Spirit for you.

I can sit down with Catholics, Protestants, Holy Rollers, AG types, Baptist... I will not discuss with you the things we disagree on, but I will tell you about Christ and what He means to me... PRAISE THE LORD! Wooo Hoo!!! I LOVE HIM... and YOU TOO!

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Re: Someone's living a lie, somebody's going to hell.
« Reply #28 on: September 15, 2006, 10:02:41 AM »
I got the TRI-TIP marinading right now, with the BBQ chicken wings on the grill, and the Ceasar Salad, and the some more hot links, with some corn on the cobb, and I'm waitng for a response for the only one who isn't going to hell. Please respond Mr. Anderson :-\ ?/?

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Re: Someone's living a lie, somebody's going to hell.
« Reply #29 on: September 15, 2006, 10:12:14 AM »

Aaahhh, there are the wings.....are they hot wings?

Got hot, baked, bbq & fried, and I got a salad too!!   ;)
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Re: Someone's living a lie, somebody's going to hell.
« Reply #30 on: September 15, 2006, 10:20:00 AM »
Well now Bishop aint you the poetic one! This thread aint fo the weak, i can tell ya that.

Though I disagree with "some" of your points, but you gatta point be it a controversial  one, guess someone died and made you the universal interpreteur of the word and only you gat the truth, but hey.......i gat a question....ya know......just a lil observation....from my excellent observatory skills....tell me............Dont you belong to some denominational structure? Maybe Apostolic? .....and if so then aint your comment about denominations condemn you too? Just a lil observation that is all.

wait...i gat one more....this though i wanted to elude but just cant, now i know the word says clearly what happened in the upper room Pentecost at the coming of the Holy Spirit for the first time and the evidence of The Spirit's presence via the speaking of tongues..hhmmmm.....interesting.......b ut.....let me holla at ya with this.....

Dont you think (since you know all the answers) that this tongues thing may be for a sign seeming that this was the first inception of the Holy Spirit and there were different people from different areas there speaking different languages? Are you saying the the Diciples were not saved while they were with Jesus before this happened? And what about Paul in 1 Cor. 12? talking bout the gift of tongues but also Interpretation, and I hear many pastors babble off these tongues with out interperetation. Hmmmm. And since you hold the keys to the "one truth" how come in Romans 10:9 "that if thou shall confess with thy mouth and believe in thine heart, thou shalt be saved"  I dont see no where it said you gatta speak in tongues. But i guess all the people who never spoke in tongues even i, we are going to hell i guess. We the ones you talkin too huh Bishop since now i know i really dont have the Spirit..(PULEAZE)

Aint tryin to poke no holes in ya thread bruh im just saying if you gone put ya self out there like that, better tie up the leaks, because some of that info kinda leakin.

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Re: Someone's living a lie, somebody's going to hell.
« Reply #31 on: September 15, 2006, 10:20:03 AM »
I got the TRI-TIP marinading right now, with the BBQ chicken wings on the grill, and the Ceasar Salad, and the some more hot links, with some corn on the cobb, and I'm waitng for a response for the only one who isn't going to hell. Please respond Mr. Anderson  :-\ ?/?


I was thinking the same thing.  Nevertheless, I got dessert, cookies, poundcake, & sweet potato pie!! ;) ;D
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Re: Someone's living a lie, somebody's going to hell.
« Reply #32 on: September 15, 2006, 10:22:30 AM »
Okay, I'm good now....Got my plate with hot wings and salad...somebody pass MommaT the Ranch Dressing...I'm waiting for the wings to come off the grill....chewing on a hot link while I recline in this lazy boy.


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Re: Someone's living a lie, somebody's going to hell.
« Reply #33 on: September 15, 2006, 10:25:30 AM »
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Re: Someone's living a lie, somebody's going to hell.
« Reply #34 on: September 15, 2006, 10:36:12 AM »
Yeah, knew my thoughts would end me up in the LGM hot seat.  I don't care though.  I never expected anyone to agree with my position.  The mere point of this thread wasn't to attack anyone, but to offer a reality that theres only ONE truth. 

Everybody's saying something different and SOMEBODY'S going to pay for it. Whether through tradition, teachings or personal revalation, God's word doesn't change and has not changed. Just like women... Women are used throughout the bible and were used mightly under the power of God.  Do I oppose this? No because its in scripture and enough for me to accept it, yet, I realize that these women ALSO understood their roll and positions as it relates to leadership and authority.

Again, I did not or will not attack anyone personally in this thread because thats NOT what it was written for. There is a line between what is true and false concerning God's word and with all these "ideaologies" and "revelations" the penalty will be hell for those that don't seek true understanding.  I'm not going on just certain teachings, but what it CLEARLY says in God's word and if THAT offends you, then no, I don't apologize.

Matthew 7:22
"Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?"

Do you understand the DEPTH of that scripture?? ...the tremendous weight that it holds on those that believe they're doing the will of God?  And we're not talking Green Prosperity Cloth and Miracle Spring Water people either. These are folk that stood firm in their belief that what they were doing was right, but they were "living a lie".  Playing in church, preaching messages, singing songs and all the while "living a lie" and now have come to the reality that they were on the WRONG side of the line, but now its too late.

Now, don't get it twisted. This is NOT for the unsaved folk that don't know Christ, cause they live a life unknowingly. We DO accept them with the love of Christ and present to them salvation and deliverance through God's word. This is NOT A HATE THREAD, but a reality check and sadly as it has been misconstued by most of its readers, I can't help but say it too many times.  THERES NOT 1300 truths people... only ONE! This is a reality for even me!

Lastly, I'm really tempted to write a book on, "The De-Westernization of the Church".  Why? 'Cause most of the western ideologies and philosophies are in direct opposition to biblical teachings and we're fine with it.  Thats why there are so many people upset with me right now and I can understand.  If I tell a church musician thats a homosexual, hes going to hell, my head will be on a pole.  Does that change it from being the truth? No. Yet, westernize thinking makes God a whimp and have everyone saying, "Not so".  Basically, I'm not trying (as many here now believe), to place myself above anyone cause the bible says, "We ALL fall short of the Glory", but my point today is everybody's not right and somebody's going to hell for it.

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Re: Someone's living a lie, somebody's going to hell.
« Reply #35 on: September 15, 2006, 10:52:46 AM »
Yeah, knew my thoughts would end me up in the LGM hot seat.  I don't care though.  I never expected anyone to agree with my position.  The mere point of this thread wasn't to attack anyone, but to offer a reality that theres only ONE truth. 

Everybody's saying something different and SOMEBODY'S going to pay for it. Whether through tradition, teachings or personal revalation, God's word doesn't change and has not changed. Just like women... Women are used throughout the bible and were used mightly under the power of God.  Do I oppose this? No because its in scripture and enough for me to accept it, yet, I realize that these women ALSO understood their roll and positions as it relates to leadership and authority.

Again, I did not or will not attack anyone personally in this thread because thats NOT what it was written for. There is a line between what is true and false concerning God's word and with all these "ideaologies" and "revelations" the penalty will be hell for those that don't seek true understanding.  I'm not going on just certain teachings, but what it CLEARLY says in God's word and if THAT offends you, then no, I don't apologize.

Matthew 7:22
"Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?"

Do you understand the DEPTH of that scripture?? ...the tremendous weight that it holds on those that believe they're doing the will of God?  And we're not talking Green Prosperity Cloth and Miracle Spring Water people either. These are folk that stood firm in their belief that what they were doing was right, but they were "living a lie".  Playing in church, preaching messages, singing songs and all the while "living a lie" and now have come to the reality that they were on the WRONG side of the line, but now its too late.

Now, don't get it twisted. This is NOT for the unsaved folk that don't know Christ, cause they live a life unknowingly. We DO accept them with the love of Christ and present to them salvation and deliverance through God's word. This is NOT A HATE THREAD, but a reality check and sadly as it has been misconstued by most of its readers, I can't help but say it too many times.  THERES NOT 1300 truths people... only ONE! This is a reality for even me!

Lastly, I'm really tempted to write a book on, "The De-Westernization of the Church".  Why? 'Cause most of the western ideologies and philosophies are in direct opposition to biblical teachings and we're fine with it.  Thats why there are so many people upset with me right now and I can understand.  If I tell a church musician thats a homosexual, hes going to hell, my head will be on a pole.  Does that change it from being the truth? No. Yet, westernize thinking makes God a whimp and have everyone saying, "Not so".  Basically, I'm not trying (as many here now believe), to place myself above anyone cause the bible says, "We ALL fall short of the Glory", but my point today is everybody's not right and somebody's going to hell for it.

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Re: Someone's living a lie, somebody's going to hell.
« Reply #36 on: September 15, 2006, 10:55:29 AM »
Mama T, can you pass me the ranch when your done please.  Bless ya heart!! 8)
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Re: Someone's living a lie, somebody's going to hell.
« Reply #37 on: September 15, 2006, 10:59:33 AM »
NJTheBishopAnderson,

I understand what you are saying and where you come from, and that you truly believe in everything that you are saying, but here's a question.

Do you believe that someone can believe differently than you do on these topics and still know the Lord? I'm talking about someone who professes to be a Christian.

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« Reply #38 on: September 15, 2006, 11:02:31 AM »
We as christians are start to loose touch with GOD, because everyone is now being taught the word from that denominations point of view, which is creating all of this stuff. People need to study the word for themselves and seek a true understanding from God not man. Let's be honest how many of us really read the word when seeking a answer about the word. Most of the time we ask someone we think will have the answer.....

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Re: Someone's living a lie, somebody's going to hell.
« Reply #39 on: September 15, 2006, 11:06:02 AM »

Okay, I'm good now....Got my plate with hot wings and salad...somebody pass MommaT the Ranch Dressing...I'm waiting for the wings to come off the grill....chewing on a hot link while I recline in this lazy boy.


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These are my wings MaMaT DONT TOUCH OR ELSE LOL

Heres your ranch dressing

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