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Offline diverse379

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a history of gospel as we know it today
« on: November 16, 2006, 02:33:27 PM »
this is a story told to me by charles minor

when mahalia jackson was singing large and in charge everyone wanted to sound like her

people would back up their soloists with piano and bass no drums can you believe it

then james cleveland came on the scene with aretha franklin and recorded mary dont you weep

this changed the way gospel would be played 12/8 time was born before this there was no real beat

ray charles caught on and began playing his church /rock and roll style

this new sound that broke on the airwaves made room for the hawkins oh happy day the first rock and roll gospel song.  because of this song and another artist whose name i forget

the clark sisters you brought the sunshine had the opportunity to dominate the air waves.
this song and their music revolutionalized the way gospel would be played for years to come.

twinkies cogic style combined with a classically trained upbringing would set the bar for all upcoming musicians


including thomas whitfield who took james clevalands major chords and made them minor and took james minor chords and made them diminished.  thomas also would demonstrate exactly how contemporary gospel should be played on the organ.

people like andre crouch thomas whitfield  and kurt carr owe their legacy to james clevland

and twinkie paved the way for kim burrell kim burell is really twinkie on steroids i study with damien sneed and he tells me that eddie howard and kim burell all studied twinkie clark.

today we have tye tribbett and byron cage fred hamond kirk franklin
israel

all bringing modern funk and jazz elements in with the gospel and they are off the chain but lets take a look back at the pioneers who brought drumming and funk back in the 60's and made the way clear for these new artists


I welcome any comments and other points of concern.

I dont claim that this is 100%  accurate but it was told to me by a very credible source one who has played for butch heyward hezekiah walker and timothy wright.
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Re: a history of gospel as we know it today
« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2006, 02:59:18 PM »

this is a story told to me by charles minor

when mahalia jackson was singing large and in charge everyone wanted to sound like her

people would back up their soloists with piano and bass no drums can you believe it

then james cleveland came on the scene with aretha franklin and recorded mary dont you weep

this changed the way gospel would be played 12/8 time was born before this there was no real beat

ray charles caught on and began playing his church /rock and roll style

this new sound that broke on the airwaves made room for the hawkins oh happy day the first rock and roll gospel song.  because of this song and another artist whose name i forget

the clark sisters you brought the sunshine had the opportunity to dominate the air waves.
this song and their music revolutionalized the way gospel would be played for years to come.

twinkies cogic style combined with a classically trained upbringing would set the bar for all upcoming musicians


including thomas whitfield who took james clevalands major chords and made them minor and took james minor chords and made them diminished.  thomas also would demonstrate exactly how contemporary gospel should be played on the organ.

people like andre crouch thomas whitfield  and kurt carr owe their legacy to james clevland

and twinkie paved the way for kim burrell kim burell is really twinkie on steroids i study with damien sneed and he tells me that eddie howard and kim burell all studied twinkie clark.

today we have tye tribbett and byron cage fred hamond kirk franklin
israel

all bringing modern funk and jazz elements in with the gospel and they are off the chain but lets take a look back at the pioneers who brought drumming and funk back in the 60's and made the way clear for these new artists


I welcome any comments and other points of concern.

I dont claim that this is 100%  accurate but it was told to me by a very credible source one who has played for butch heyward hezekiah walker and timothy wright.

Wow! good stuff.  :)  I never thought of making those connections and never knew that Kim studied with Twinkie.

I'll have to pull out their albums and compare...
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Re: a history of gospel as we know it today
« Reply #2 on: November 16, 2006, 03:21:01 PM »
How can you leave out Dr. Mattie Moss-Clark..she was the first to divide choirs into different parts and use the hammond instead of the piano with gospel.
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Re: a history of gospel as we know it today
« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2006, 03:38:24 PM »
Interesting info....I'll have to look into that. Thanks

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Re: a history of gospel as we know it today
« Reply #4 on: November 16, 2006, 04:45:33 PM »
How can you leave out Dr. Mattie Moss-Clark..she was the first to divide choirs into different parts and use the hammond instead of the piano with gospel.

Two things i didnt mean to leave out mattie moss clark in fact there are a lot of other choir things that charles said where started but i couldnt remember the whole story he told me he mentioned some drummers and bass players  and the whole mass choir thing and the choir choreograpjy



second i did say that kim burrell studied twinkie but i did not necessarilly mean she studied with twinkie I cant say all of that

but you can hear that she was influenced by twinkie
according to professor Damien sneed twinkie had a lot of influence on kim burrell
in fact twinkie does do a little of that kim burrell thing but twinkie feels that it is too much to do a whole album like that

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Re: a history of gospel as we know it today
« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2006, 06:36:02 PM »
Interesting.

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Re: a history of gospel as we know it today
« Reply #6 on: November 16, 2006, 10:14:32 PM »
....You need to look up Rev. Charles Nicks!

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Re: a history of gospel as we know it today
« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2006, 10:01:37 AM »
Does ANYBODY know some tracks I can hear Twinkie on?

I've heard her on "Sacrifice", "Will of God", and "Organ Prelude".

What else can I hear her on?
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