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Offline thedude2656

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question about time signatures
« on: November 19, 2006, 01:10:50 PM »
How do you read weird time signatures like 12/8 or 7/4 ? How do you count them out, and what gets the beat?


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Re: question about time signatures
« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2006, 06:36:47 AM »
How do you read weird time signatures like 12/8 or 7/4 ? How do you count them out, and what gets the beat?


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A time signature looks like a fraction. The top number tells you how many beats there are in each measure while the bottom number tells you what note gets the beat.

In your examples:

12/8, there are 12 beats in each measure and the eighth note gets the beat.

7/4, there are 7 beats in each measure and the quarter note gets the beat.

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Re: question about time signatures
« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2006, 11:00:45 AM »
How do you read weird time signatures like 12/8 or 7/4 ? How do you count them out, and what gets the beat?


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While it is usually taught that in a time signature the top note tells how many beats in a measure and the bottom what kind of note gets on 1 beat, it is not quite the case.

In the case of signatures like 12/8 or 6/8 or 6/4 etc., these are called compound time signatures.  If the upper note is divisible by 3 then it is compound.  In that case, instead of the normal subdivision of 2 eight notes per beat (or quarte notes in the case of 6/4), each beat is sub-divided into 3 eight notes.   12/8  has 4 beats in each measure. 

The basic counting would be 1 & a 2 & a 3 & a 4 & a etc. -- every group of three eights is one beat.  Think of the beat unit as being a dotted quarter note in x/8 time or dotted half in x/4.   It is also easier to count this way than saying "1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12".  These meters give that triplet feeling that you might get in the blues.

When the time signature has a number not divisible by 2 or 3, these are called "complex time signatures"  This would be 5/4 7/4 or 5/8 7/8 etc.  I'll start with 5/4

In these signatures, the primary accents will usually fall in groups of 2's and 3's.  Thus 5/4 might be "1 2 1 2 3" or "1 2 3 1 2"  The act as combinations of 2/4 AND 3/4. (or 4/4 AND 3/4)

7/4 could be "1 2 1 2 1 2 3" or "1 2 1 2 3 1 2 " or "1 2 3 1 2 1 2" or "1 2 3 4 1 2 3" etc.
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Complex Time Signatures usually have a feeling of 2 or three with one beat longer than the others.  Just subdivide into the appropriate accent pattern for your piece.

Dave Brubeck was known for using odd meters.  His "Take Five" is an excellent example in 5/4.  He also did things in 7/4 as well as odd divisions of 4/4 (eigth notes divided into a pattern of 2 groups of 3 eigths (not triplets) and a group of 2 eights.

Normal  1 & 2 & 3 & 4 &
Odd     1 & a 2 & a  3 &

I hope that this helps.

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Re: question about time signatures
« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2006, 05:49:36 PM »
Thanks. My question had to do with Pink Floyd's money which is in 7/8, and also I found this performance patch on my mo8 called 12/8 bassman so I was just wondering how to count it.

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Re: question about time signatures
« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2006, 07:50:32 AM »
Thanks. My question had to do with Pink Floyd's money which is in 7/8, and also I found this performance patch on my mo8 called 12/8 bassman so I was just wondering how to count it.

Here are two book that helped me a lot with understanding time signatures. *****Odd TIme Reading Text (For All Instruments) by: Louis Bellson and Gul Breines.... How to Read Music by: Len Vogler...
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