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Offline slawdawg

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what is the formula for playing a gospel song
« on: December 05, 2006, 05:14:36 PM »
what i mean by that is everything has a formula, like math 2(3-1+5)=x. Most of gospel music uses the same chords and progressions
so there should be a formula a musician can use when he hear a song he never heard before and play certain chords and progressions
to match the singer.
and what should i practice to acomplish this
i know my major minor pentonic and blues scales in all keys
i know how to form major,minor,7th,9th,13th,diminished,and aug chords
i just dont know how gospel music is formed
alot of people say that if you learn different songs then that will help you but in order to learn songs you need someone to teach it to you. and i just need to know th formula so that i can learn the song myself
God bless all

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Re: what is the formula for playing a gospel song
« Reply #1 on: December 06, 2006, 12:27:47 AM »
UNLIKE MOST MUSIC, GOSPEL IS VERY DIFFERENT IN THAT YOU CAN'T FIT IT IN A BOX. YES, MOST SONGS FOLLOW SIMPLE PROGRESSIONS (7-3-6-2-5-1-4) BUT IF YOU TRY TO FIT ALL SONGS IN THAT PATTERN BE PREPARED FOR A LOT OF FRUSTRATING NIGHTS.

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Re: what is the formula for playing a gospel song
« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2006, 07:06:15 AM »
I have to disagree with the other musician. I believe there are formulas that you can at least start with to get you off to a great start.

Now, gospel is divided into several categories: hymns sprituals gospels contemporary solos  devotionals praise songs
worship songs

Each group has its own formula, so to speak, at least to get you going. If you are really serious about learning I recommend you get Jermaine Griggs courses he has broken down gospel and worship and prasie songs into some very useful formulas but while you are here i will giveyou some tips. I will give some formulas for gospel which is the style you here sometime in devotional service songs like cant nobody do me like jesus or jesus on the main line


The first thing is rhythm. Gospel, like blues, swings the notes. How does a horse sound when he is walking down the street?

clopclop clopclop clopclop  clopclop  clopclop clopclop clopclop clopclop


Notice I put to words together because the notes should be played without a break. If you need to get an example of how swing notes sound get a beginner jazz or blues book with a cd.

Next point on rhythm: Always count 1 2 1 2 1 2 1 2 1 2 1 2 1 2 1 2
Even if the song is in 4/4; but not if it's in 3/4

By counting 121212, you will accent the ones and your chord hits can land on the 1 and you will be swinging. There are different accents and combinations of rhythyms that you can use to play gospel. I suggest you get any music by Albertina Walker to learn how interpret gospels or some old Clark sisters stuff.

Here are some:
 
The shuffle; the oldest and most recognizable rhythym. Here you alternate between the first chord of the scale and the fourth chord of the scale using the clop clopclop effect rhythmically. Try putting your right hand on CEC; you have C in your pinky and the octave under it in your thumb and E in the middle now using that clopclop effect alternate the E with F

So ,your index or middle finger will alternate E and F and while you are doing this let your left hand hold C and G and alternate between G and A so when your right hand goes to the F your left thumb moves to the A. But, the C's in your left and right hand stay the same and continue to stay bouncing. You can also use the One and Two chord in the key of C you will be alternating between C maj and Dmin. There is a clip on this site in the video section called gospel bounce and this technique is demonstrated.

Walking bass this is a more complicated thing and I dont want to go into it here; but I have made posts on walking bass lines and how to walk if you are interested check them out.

The one-two is feel the easiest way to work a gospel with a one two feel; it is similar to stride. Your left hand alternates between the root and the fifth while your right hand plays the chords

So try this; in your left hand you are going to play C  and then G and in your right hand you are just going to play BbDE

Count 1234 1234 1234

Let your left play C on one and your right hand play the chord on 3 4 dont play anything on 2 the next time play G in your left and the same chord on 3 4. This is the one two feel; very easy and very useful for an old school feel



Harmony

The next most important component for now just use tritones they are the most user freindly in the key of C you will use BbE or BbDE
for the Iv chord use F/AEb  or F/ACEb for the five chord use G/'FAC

Next up melody
Often, the first time around you want to play the melody (to establish the song and to set the timing )  but when you do play the melody make sure the notes land on the one when you are counting 1212121212

As you decorate the melody use a lot of grace notes that means play with the note next to it either next to it in the scale or a half step up or below; slide into your target note or trill the two notes when you have time

Now for song structure. This where you can really apply song structure and this is where Jermaine Griggs really shines. He has a lot of formulas broken down and I will give you  a couple here.

Either your song is going to go to the four first or to the five first. Songs like "Amazing Grace"; "Can't Nobody do me like Jesus"; "Glory Glory"; "I'm on the battlefield for my lord"; "I'll fly away"; "What a fellowship"; "God Be with you"; they all go to the four chord first

You can walk up the scale to the four chord or do a 2-5-1 in the four chord key to get to the four  Gmin7  C7- Fmaj. Or you can walk chromatically down from the 6  (A Ab  G Gb F).

After it goes to the four it goes back to the one but in gospel we like using the one over five. So, instead of going back to C/BbE go to G/BbE before you go to C/BbE. Now you can do a 1=6=2=5=1 or C7 A7 D7  G7 C7

For a better explanation of this song, go to www.earnestandroline.com and look up the song "Can't nobody do me like Jesus". After you learn the arrangement see how the arranger went to the four chord first.

Now, are there more voicings and other chords to use oh yes; but to really get into this further will take forever. I gave you this to get you started you are right there is a formula for this music you have to dig to find it but if you study the rhythm the harmony the melody and the song structure as independent parts that make up a whole you will be well on your way to understanding it.
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Re: what is the formula for playing a gospel song
« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2006, 08:07:21 AM »
diverse379, dude you are NOT playing... Respect! Thanks for that resource Jermaine Griggs. One...
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Re: what is the formula for playing a gospel song
« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2006, 04:16:49 PM »
diverse379  that was an awesome breakdown..but i will admit..my contact lens dried out while reading
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Re: what is the formula for playing a gospel song
« Reply #5 on: December 18, 2006, 09:01:29 PM »
diverse379  that was an awesome breakdown..but i will admit..my contact lens dried out while reading

lol sorry bout that

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Re: what is the formula for playing a gospel song
« Reply #6 on: December 19, 2006, 08:46:59 AM »
DANG... DIVERSE you're on point brutha.
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Re: what is the formula for playing a gospel song
« Reply #7 on: December 19, 2006, 12:44:19 PM »
Nice Diverse, I, like you believe that most songs can be broken down into patterns, the hard part to really teach is for people to be able to recognize them.
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Re: what is the formula for playing a gospel song
« Reply #8 on: December 19, 2006, 01:10:53 PM »
Gotta give it to ya my brother Diverse.  Good instruction for those upcoming who thirst and who will use it.     God Bless You my brother.

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Re: what is the formula for playing a gospel song
« Reply #9 on: December 19, 2006, 04:09:44 PM »
Nice Diverse, I, like you believe that most songs can be broken down into patterns, the hard part to really teach is for people to be able to recognize them.

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Re: what is the formula for playing a gospel song
« Reply #10 on: December 19, 2006, 11:46:57 PM »
Thank y0u all for your kind words and encouragement God is truly blessing my ministry
I hope to continue to reach out to all of my brothers and sisters

and soldiers of song

as I get it I will impart it

believe that
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