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Offline lilmanofgod

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OK I hear that all the time and 1) its not biblical and 2) its not right..

God only works in mysterious ways to those who dont know him. Did Jesus not say that it is given to us to know the mysteries of the kingdom? So how can God's ways be mysterious if the kingdom of God is God's way of doing and being right/His way of doing things and it has been given to us to know the mysteries of the kingdom? God's ways are not mysterious....they may be thought provoking and mind boggling, but they're not mysterious because they arent mysteries to us who KNOW HIM!!!
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Is mysterious a bad thing?

Its just a word. If some one is always revealing mysteries, is not his ways mysterious? Lets not make things to technical.

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Please, it's a mystery until it is revealed to you.  Plain and simple!!! ;)
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Please, it's a mystery until it is revealed to you.  Plain and simple!!! ;)
EXACTLY

and that statement is usually used for mysterys that have already been revealed (i.e. healing, deliverance, u kno things that should b seen in a daily basis in our lives)
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EXACTLY

and that statement is usually used for mysterys that have already been revealed (i.e. healing, deliverance, u kno things that should b seen in a daily basis in our lives)

That goes for anything u don't know.  For instance, if you're a keyboard player and someone gives you chords and they work.  That person wonders, "How does that work?"  In the instance, it is a mystery.  But, once that person grows and learns more, then that mystery is revealed.
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You are comparing apples to oranges.
It has been given to us to know the mysteries of the kingdom, but that's not the same thing as knowing God's ways and how He does things. Is. 55:8-9 reads “ For My thoughts are not your thoughts, Nor are your ways My ways, says the LORD. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So are My ways higher than your ways, And My thoughts than your thoughts."
So how can we ever say "God's way aren't mysterious"? But we can know the mysteries of the kingdom - 2 different things.
Whenever I heard the phrase, it was always used in the context of God working something out that you can't explain. E.g., have you ever been in a situation that you couldn't see your way out of (if you haven't, keep living)? And God would work out your situation in a way that you wouldn't have figured. I would look at that as a mystery.

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I've always heard the Lord MOVES in mysterious ways.  That's neither here nor there though. 

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This is actually a line taken out of a poem..one which my Father shared on more than one occasion from the pulpit during his preaching days..



William Cowper (1731-1800) Words: Will­iam Cow­per, in Twen­ty-six Let­ters on Re­li­gious Sub­jects, by John New­ton, 1774. It is re­port­ed­ly the last hymn Cow­per ev­er wrote, with a fas­cin­at­ing (though un­sub­stan­ti­at­ed) story be­hind it.

Cow­per oft­en strug­gled with de­press­ion and doubt. One night he de­cid­ed to com­mit su­i­cide by drown­ing him­self. He called a cab and told the driv­er to take him to the Thames Riv­er. How­ev­er, thick fog came down and pre­vent­ed them from find­ing the riv­er (ano­ther ver­sion of the story has the driv­er get­ting lost de­liber­ate­ly). After driv­ing around lost for a while, the cab­by fin­al­ly stopped and let Cow­per out. To Cowper’s sur­prise, he found him­self on his own door­step: God had sent the fog to keep him from kill­ing him­self. Even in our black­est mo­ments, God watch­es over us.

Music: Dun­dee, Scot­tish Psal­ter, 1615 (MI­DI, score). Al­ter­nate tunes:

Belmont, Will­iam Gar­din­er, 1812 (MI­DI, score)
London New, Psalms (Ed­in­burgh, Scot­land: 1635) (MI­DI, score)
Manoah, ar­ranged by Hen­ry W. Great­or­ex, 1851 (MI­DI, score)
St. Anne, Will­iam Croft, 1708 (MI­DI, score)
 

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God moves in a mysterious way
His wonders to perform;
He plants His footsteps in the sea
And rides upon the storm.

Deep in unfathomable mines
Of never failing skill
He treasures up His bright designs
And works His sovereign will.

Ye fearful saints, fresh courage take;
The clouds ye so much dread
Are big with mercy and shall break
In blessings on your head.

Judge not the Lord by feeble sense,
But trust Him for His grace;
Behind a frowning providence
He hides a smiling face.

His purposes will ripen fast,
Unfolding every hour;
The bud may have a bitter taste,
But sweet will be the flower.

Blind unbelief is sure to err
And scan His work in vain;
God is His own interpreter,
And He will make it plain.
``......... Greater is He that is in you, than he than he that is in the world``

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I would say he is mysterious in that, no matter how well you think you know him, there's always more to find out.  Each day I know him in a way I've never known him before, the mystery of who he is continues to unfold. 

God honors principle and covenant, which is a place to start, but you'll never have him on lock.  You think he's coming one way, and BAM he shows up a totally different way.  I think this is important to know, because a lot of people reject God because he doesn't move in the same way he moved before.  He never operates outside of his character, but he definitely uses all kinds of methods to get his message through or to get the job done.

As for that scripture from Isaiah 55 posted by momuzik, we had that in Sunday School yesterday, it was a powerful lesson!

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You are comparing apples to oranges.
It has been given to us to know the mysteries of the kingdom, but that's not the same thing as knowing God's ways and how He does things. Is. 55:8-9 reads “ For My thoughts are not your thoughts, Nor are your ways My ways, says the LORD. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So are My ways higher than your ways, And My thoughts than your thoughts."
So how can we ever say "God's way aren't mysterious"? But we can know the mysteries of the kingdom - 2 different things.
Whenever I heard the phrase, it was always used in the context of God working something out that you can't explain. E.g., have you ever been in a situation that you couldn't see your way out of (if you haven't, keep living)? And God would work out your situation in a way that you wouldn't have figured. I would look at that as a mystery.

Like I said most people say that in reference to something like healing, deliverance getting their bills paid God making a way of no way etc etc...and i have been in situations like that but it isnt a mystery how i got out...why do you think Jesus went to the cross? So that we have direct access to God.....Didnt Paul say let this mind be in you which was also in christ??? And I am not mixing apples and oranges...and you just contradicted yourself..the kingdom of God IS Gods way of doing things....and you have every right to ask God how or why he did something...my point is God DOES NOT work in mysterious ways...point blank. I agree with Nessa wholeheartedly...God does not always move the way we want him to..nor does he move in a conventional way all the time...and we will never understand the totality of who God is..that's why the angels go around the throne saying Holy Holy because everytime they go around they get another revelation of who God is...but again that is God himself and saying God is a mystery is different that saying he works in mysterious ways.....
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I think it's a matter of semantics.
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Semantics - sjonathan02 might be right, maybe I'm looking at this phrase from a different angle. To me, to say that God doesn't move in mysterious ways is to say that you know and understand why and how God operates - simply put.

Also, I look at "the Kingdom" (in short) as a spiritual kingdom for which only those born of the Spirit of the God by faith in Jesus Christ may enter.

So what do you mean when you say, "..the kingdom of God IS Gods way of doing things..."? break it down in relation to your topic.

A quick testamony - I often times heard people testify how they got a check in the mail just in the nick of time for whatever reason. Well, that happen to me last week. Now, it's no mystery that all my blessings come from God, but what IS a mystery is the reason why this particular company cut the check and send it out at the specific time that they did. That's where God's way are mysterious. Only He could have orchestrated the events that took place for me to get the check and only He knew the "goins-ons" in my household to know when I needed it.
This is the angle I'm coming from when I say "God moves in mysterious ways". Know what I mean?

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Semantics - sjonathan02 might be right, maybe I'm looking at this phrase from a different angle. To me, to say that God doesn't move in mysterious ways is to say that you know and understand why and how God operates - simply put.

Also, I look at "the Kingdom" (in short) as a spiritual kingdom for which only those born of the Spirit of the God by faith in Jesus Christ may enter.

So what do you mean when you say, "..the kingdom of God IS Gods way of doing things..."? break it down in relation to your topic.

A quick testamony - I often times heard people testify how they got a check in the mail just in the nick of time for whatever reason. Well, that happen to me last week. Now, it's no mystery that all my blessings come from God, but what IS a mystery is the reason why this particular company cut the check and send it out at the specific time that they did. That's where God's way are mysterious. Only He could have orchestrated the events that took place for me to get the check and only He knew the "goins-ons" in my household to know when I needed it.
This is the angle I'm coming from when I say "God moves in mysterious ways". Know what I mean?


I do. ;)  I've had it happen to me in some form or fashion as you described.
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I think it's a matter of semantics.

thats a good way to look at it....and saying God does not move in mysterious ways does not mean we have arrived to understandin his totality..it means just what it says lol...he doesnt...lets do it this way guys ( and by the way i am loving this HEALTHY debate...not being sarcastic i am serious....it seem like when certain ppl join in (and i wont name names but its a couple of personal friends of ours Sjon lol) thats when things start to heat up..i wonder  why lol) ne way someone give me a situation where God moves in mysterious ways would be applicable
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My little brother I think I understand what you are trying to establish with your statements.  But this is truly not a controversal statement; unless we make it such.  In 1 Timothy 3:16 it says; and without controversy great is the mystery of godliness; God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

There are somethings that our flesh cannot understand, and it will be a mystery to us.  But the truth of who God is to each of us is a revelation that is revealed day after day.  For our eyes are looking through a glass so dark, and dim that is being revealed slowly, and all shall not be complete until we behold him face to face.  So we must continue to seek him, and as we seek out those things we are assured that we shall find them.  If it was not a mysterious thing would we even seek it out?  I don't think we would, but we hunger for that which we don't have, and we seek out that we cannot understand.

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I heard yall was talking 'bout me. ;D
Ha!  God does work in mysteryMAN as well, LOL. 

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My little brother I think I understand what you are trying to establish with your statements.  But this is truly not a controversal statement; unless we make it such.  In 1 Timothy 3:16 it says; and without controversy great is the mystery of godliness; God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

There are somethings that our flesh cannot understand, and it will be a mystery to us.  But the truth of who God is to each of us is a revelation that is revealed day after day.  For our eyes are looking through a glass so dark, and dim that is being revealed slowly, and all shall not be complete until we behold him face to face.  So we must continue to seek him, and as we seek out those things we are assured that we shall find them.  If it was not a mysterious thing would we even seek it out?  I don't think we would, but we hunger for that which we don't have, and we seek out that we cannot understand.


wow..profound. i agree to a certain degree...the "it" you are referrin to is mysterious..but i am saying GODs ways are not...he gave us access to discover who he is..we will never get the full totality but his ways shouldn't really be mysterious to us..maybe how it happened but not why

Ha!  God does work in mysteryMAN as well, LOL. 
ROTLMBO...i am laffin man that was too funny!
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 and by the way i am loving this HEALTHY debate...not being sarcastic i am serious....

Good dialogue.

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thats the word dialogue...debate sounds so antagonistic lol
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