i am so glad your on this topic. You see my pastor is Gay... and he knows I know. Well he doesnt want the other church memebers to know because he could loose his lisence.. And well he also has his Gay guys come over to the parsonage where he lives. He also has a gay sister that lives there, and another gay old man there around 75years old.... Im wondering what to do... Now that Im pregnant hes saying that could mess up his image and hasn't been speaking to me nore the guy im pregnant by and the reason for that is that the guy that Im with is who he likes so he gets jealous.. Now to tell all the business but Im wanting to leave. I am the musician there and have been on in off since I was 12years old. Please help me out. I know its not right and he knows it too, and I am so badly wanting to tell, but then he really doesnt want to preach anyway like he said all hes doing os going to church to church using them for money because he doesnt have anywhere to go if he did loose this job to preach. What kind of man of God is that? And he says God forgave him, yes he did but why are you still going to gay bars and clubs meeting men and doing God's know what?? he hes looking down on me because Im now pregnant..its makes no since. But please give me an answer on that. Thanks God Bless
Sister I have sincerely prayed for you and all these people involved. I usually read through the threads and then speak as the Lord gives me utterance. I've been through some of what you're going through but not in the same form. It was through relationships, jealousies and these types of things. It did NOT feel good and I try to stay out of situations like this as much as I can. I really did pray to the Father about what to say to you and about this situation. The only thing He put on my mind is what I'm about to say. I knew a congregation that had a gay music minister three times. He's there now. That congregation of people PREFERS a practicing homosexual as their music minister. I did not practice this sin while I was there and I was shunned and mistreated because I didn't. Yet, I praise God because this speaks of Christ's glory that I suffered for righteousness sake. When I heard of two ladies "praying" for that man to come back there, this grieved Christ's body and myself for a long time. I was scribing down a sermon one day and the Lord spake so clearly about what happened to those people:
2 Thessalonians 2:1-12 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
Now sister, we ALL need to repent/confess and get right with God (Romans 3:23). Sexual sins are WRONG. You did not say that you were married to the man who's the daddy of your baby. I'm NOT highlighting your sins only but speaking to myself too (Hebrews 4:12). This sin needs to be repented/confessed of and you get right with God about this. I say this in love because I'm concerned for your soul and spiritual well being. It doesn't matter how long you're there but if God sends this congregation to hell and you stay there, guess where you're going? Sincerely seek the Lord God about you staying there because this is NOT a playing matter. I speak to myself and everyone that's reading this too.
It is written:
Matthew 18:15-22 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican. Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven. For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them. Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times? Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.
Galatians 6:1 Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.
I've had to deal with these same scriptures earlier this week and the Word is VERY clear about how to deal with sin in Christ's body:
2 Thessalonians 3:6-18 Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us. For yourselves know how ye ought to follow us: for we behaved not ourselves disorderly among you; Neither did we eat any man's bread for nought; but wrought with labour and travail night and day, that we might not be chargeable to any of you: Not because we have not power, but to make ourselves an ensample unto you to follow us. For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat. For we hear that there are some which walk among you disorderly, working not at all, but are busybodies. Now them that are such we command and exhort by our Lord Jesus Christ, that with quietness they work, and eat their own bread. But ye, brethren, be not weary in well doing. And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed. Yet count him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother. Now the Lord of peace himself give you peace always by all means. The Lord be with you all. The salutation of Paul with mine own hand, which is the token in every epistle: so I write. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen. <<The second epistle to the Thessalonians was written from Athens.>>
Now these scriptures are God's Words and they came from Him (Hebrews 4:12, II Timothy 3:15-16). Again, I'm preaching to myself too, OK?
Regarding the sin in this preacher and his sister, this could be a generational curse they need delivering from because Christ CAN deliver them (and us too) from these things but again here's His Word on these matters:
2 Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
and ALL of
Deuteronomy 28!
Your relating to this preacher, your baby's dad and you and your relationship with this congregation NEEDS to be brought to the Cross in Jesus name. What's between you, the dad and the preacher is the works of the flesh (Galatians 5:19-21) and "can" end up with physical harm. You all, according to God's leading, direction and supervision, need to separate. Spiritually speaking, every generational curse on the baby needs to be broken and the child as well as all of us need to be given back to God in Jesus name. Consider Hannah's story from the Word of God.
I read therealben's post and I'm more of the mindset of what's going on in this congregation spiritually. These people are just players (satan's people). There is a greater spiritual warfare going on here and it's NOT good. Anytime a false one is leading a congregation you can pretty much rest assured that satan is doing something massive but God IS GREATER. In spite of all this satanic stuff, God IS GREATER than all of these. As I shared earlier, I did seek the Lord about this matter because it's a serious one and these things NEED to be dealt with.
Submitted in, by, with and through His love and His Spirit (Zechariah 4:6)!
