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Offline Pinaro

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sloppiness I HATE IT!!
« on: December 28, 2006, 01:19:14 AM »
ok yall i need some advice 4real...i practice my butt off everyday workin hard butt for some reason when i start playin out i tend 2 sound reaal sloppy my groove is 2 robotic sometimes ...my ideas and fills  dont come out 2 clear or the way i want them 2  sometimes and it really aggrivates me when i practice so hard and ts the same problem most of the time its VEEERRY discouraging

so my question is this...is there anything i can do 2 get rid of the sloppiness so that i ca start playin as tight and as clean as possoble!!
PLEASE LET ME KNOW THANKS
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Re: sloppiness I HATE IT!!
« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2006, 03:58:25 AM »
I would suggest focusing on the groove.  The basic groove is the foundation of everything you do as a drummer.  If you're practicing "chops" and fills all of the time, that's the wrong thing to do.  Get your groove downpacked first.  If you're having an issue with pocket, practice with a metronome.  All of that other stuff will come soon enough.  Fills are not something I practice.  I let the music and the mood of the particular song dictate what comes out of me.  Your fills should compliment the music you play, not overshadow it.  I get hired for my groove.  Not bragging, that's what they tell me.  Get that pocket bruh.  Don't worry, you'll get it. 
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Re: sloppiness I HATE IT!!
« Reply #2 on: December 28, 2006, 05:14:31 AM »
You can practice in your basement and sound like Chris Coleman BUT as soon as you leave your comfort zone and go play live its a different animal! The more you play out and with different players the better you will become in time!
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Re: sloppiness I HATE IT!!
« Reply #3 on: December 28, 2006, 07:59:19 AM »
You can practice in your basement and sound like Chris Coleman BUT as soon as you leave your comfort zone and go play live its a different animal! The more you play out and with different players the better you will become in time!


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Re: sloppiness I HATE IT!!
« Reply #4 on: December 28, 2006, 08:51:51 AM »
you hit it right on the spot because alot of time when i do have time to pratice i can sound like dennis chambers thats because of confort zone but when its time to shine you don't (like for example the group I play for did this song that has alot of drums solos and licks and chops in it in rehearsals i was killing it so bad that we spent the whole night on that one song just jamming but when we went on the gig it was a hole different story and I was a different drummer.

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Re: sloppiness I HATE IT!!
« Reply #5 on: December 28, 2006, 07:20:53 PM »
I got this and it made me feel terrible. But what BBD said is right. When playing to other people its a different story. I think it magnifies your weaknesses. For me I remember where in the gig I was sloppy and unsure and work on those areas. I think it goes back to the steve smith thread. If you practice your ideas until you dont have to think about them then they should in theory be second nature when you play live. Who knows man.........Im still trying to get there :)   

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Re: sloppiness I HATE IT!!
« Reply #6 on: December 28, 2006, 09:34:50 PM »
One thing I have heard from more respected pros this year is that guys today don't practice/play to recordings/CDs. To develop groove you have to play to groove.... Jeff Porcaro, Steve Gadd, Bernard Purdie, J.R. Robinson.... Do it exactly like they do it so that you can devolp and absorb their vocabulary in to your own.

Find you a bass player and jazz pianist (not keyboardist... not church organist) to practice/jam with. THey will teach you to expand your rhythmic vocabulary while playing time.

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Re: sloppiness I HATE IT!!
« Reply #7 on: December 28, 2006, 10:29:02 PM »
You can practice in your basement and sound like Chris Coleman BUT as soon as you leave your comfort zone and go play live its a different animal! The more you play out and with different players the better you will become in time!

good word!

One thing I have heard from more respected pros this year is that guys today don't practice/play to recordings/CDs. To develop groove you have to play to groove.... Jeff Porcaro, Steve Gadd, Bernard Purdie, J.R. Robinson.... Do it exactly like they do it so that you can devolp and absorb their vocabulary in to your own.

Find you a bass player and jazz pianist (not keyboardist... not church organist) to practice/jam with. THey will teach you to expand your rhythmic vocabulary while playing time.

Master the division of the Quarter note. You must learn to play time. Michael Packer DVD.



i second that!

another way to clean up slop is to learn how to read or simply "say" what you can play.

a very very good drummer told me that and it works for me.  if you can say it, you can play it.

doing this will give you a concious of the speed and placement of every note that you play. 

to me, the root of sloppiness comes from "guessing" and a lack of confidence in what you are playing.  but like bbd said, youll gain confidence in simply playing out more.  everything that i do, i make sure that i can do it twice, fast or slow. 

if youre practicing and you try something that sounds halfway decent, (a groove, fill, or chop) take the time to clean it up.  go over it again and again, note for note, slower speeds to faster speeds until you master it.

and like bigfoot said, its important that you feel the music.  even when you master your grooves, fills and solos you have to know which ones are appropriate to play.

(just my thoughts and suggestions)

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Re: sloppiness I HATE IT!!
« Reply #8 on: December 29, 2006, 01:48:14 PM »
Your situation reminds me of when I used to play basketball. If you were to get me at the outside courts, or practice, I could do 720 windmills, with a bag over my head, a no eyeholes. However, in the game, I ...... well, I was not quite as spectacular, until I was able to relax.

Performance anxiety is gettin' the best of you, bro'. When you're plagued by performance anxiety, you do no more(or less) than what you know you can pull off without any/much difficulty. You sound like you practice enough, so tellin' you to practice more isn't a remedy.

Get out and play more. The only way, in my view, to overcome performance anxiety, so that you don't become a drumming drone, is to get out and perform more. That worked for me. It should for you.

If all else fails, take a swig of liquor ....  ;D
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