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Re: THIS HAS GOTTEN OUT OF CONTROL!!!! (that topic again, but SO WHAT!)
« Reply #20 on: January 04, 2007, 04:38:54 PM »
What is amazing is that if we are as " OPEN" about our position on Homosexuality as the Homosexual is about theirs.... we would  be seen as incensitive and cruel and in some cases face loseof a job if you consider how it is in the work place.

In my office I have rainbows everywhere and if I say something about it...I end up in a meeting. But we are all supposedly entitled to our opinion and freedom of speech.  ?/? ?/? ?/? ?/?

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Re: THIS HAS GOTTEN OUT OF CONTROL!!!! (that topic again, but SO WHAT!)
« Reply #21 on: January 04, 2007, 06:44:59 PM »
You know it's funny I should see this post.  I was just recently in a Wal-Greens trying to find a birthday card for a co-worker and came across a section that made me cringe. It was very obviouse that it was for those in gay relationships.  Man to man and woman to woman.  It was not discreet, they just put it out there like that.  I was TOO salty.  Folks really don't care about the sanctity of marriage anymore.  IT'S CRAZY!! 

Also, I just want to know why do they have to make different names for men and women?  Now men are homosexual and woman are lesbians. They all homosexuals to me.  That was how it was when they first put the name on it.  Now they have felt the need to split the two.  I don't know.  If one a y'all do......gon and speak. 
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Re: THIS HAS GOTTEN OUT OF CONTROL!!!! (that topic again, but SO WHAT!)
« Reply #22 on: January 04, 2007, 06:55:54 PM »
These are just the begining.....Yall its goin to get worse, you know these are the signs of the times.  If it's in yalls churches yall need to adress it.  If its in yall job.....remember "with loving kindess have I drawn thee"..
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Re: THIS HAS GOTTEN OUT OF CONTROL!!!! (that topic again, but SO WHAT!)
« Reply #23 on: January 04, 2007, 07:58:09 PM »
Did you find your wife a birthday  card?

Naah,  didn't get a card but she was ecstatic about the other stuff.  She was even happy about the gift bag.  Made sure I got it in her favorite color, purple with lilacs on it and a purple silk ribbon for a handle.
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« Reply #24 on: January 04, 2007, 09:01:48 PM »

You know what, I can feel what you're saying, truly I can. I'm not one of those who'd say "don't home-school EVER". As a matter of fact, just a couple of months ago, I encourage a mother TO homeschool her child. Believe me, I understand that the gubment ( ;)) is running the educational show (and I wish I could change the channel!  >:()

And Furious, like David Alan Grier said in 'Boomerang', "If you make it on Oprah, I'mma be front row!"  ;D


But, as for running this country, I'd take a stab at it witcha!  ;D ;D

I can't say that I blame anyone for choosing to home school but I believe with a lot of prayer and providing a strong spiritual foundation, kids can be beacons of light in their very dark schools.  The Detroit suburb that we live in is right next to another suburban town that is notoriously gay friendly.  The town center is chock full of gay businesses.  They are building a huge gay and lesbian recreation center and they block off the main street every summer for the pride parade.  Rainbow flags fly everywhere. My daughter's school is located in this town.  Yet in spite of all this she has gained a reputation for fearlessly speaking out about her Christian beliefs.  I am extremely proud of her for this.  She has done essays and oral presentations in front of her class in which she openly expresses her Christian values.  And yet she maintains  very high gpa. 

What is most impressive though is the fact that she says that after she has spoken out, others in the class started to express their agreement with her views.  My 11 year old son is equally vocal about his Christian beliefs.  This I believe is the result of myself and my wife (a public school teacher) speaking frankly and strongly and often about what is and isn't sin.  And of course it certainly helps that they have one of Detroit's most vocal pastors in the person of Marvin Winans at speaking out against the spirit of homosexuality.   
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Re: THIS HAS GOTTEN OUT OF CONTROL!!!! (that topic again, but SO WHAT!)
« Reply #25 on: January 04, 2007, 10:07:12 PM »
I can't say that I blame anyone for choosing to home school but I believe with a lot of prayer and providing a strong spiritual foundation, kids can be beacons of light in their very dark schools.  The Detroit suburb that we live in is right next to another suburban town that is notoriously gay friendly.  The town center is chock full of gay businesses.  They are building a huge gay and lesbian recreation center and they block off the main street every summer for the pride parade.  Rainbow flags fly everywhere. My daughter's school is located in this town.  Yet in spite of all this she has gained a reputation for fearlessly speaking out about her Christian beliefs.  I am extremely proud of her for this.  She has done essays and oral presentations in front of her class in which she openly expresses her Christian values.  And yet she maintains  very high gpa. 

What is most impressive though is the fact that she says that after she has spoken out, others in the class started to express their agreement with her views.  My 11 year old son is equally vocal about his Christian beliefs.  This I believe is the result of myself and my wife (a public school teacher) speaking frankly and strongly and often about what is and isn't sin.  And of course it certainly helps that they have one of Detroit's most vocal pastors in the person of Marvin Winans at speaking out against the spirit of homosexuality.   


Ok, so you agree with my initial post (it may have my second post, but anyway). It starts at home, I've said that here (at my church, at my school) before, and I'm sure I'll say it again.  :-\ :D




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Re: THIS HAS GOTTEN OUT OF CONTROL!!!! (that topic again, but SO WHAT!)
« Reply #26 on: January 05, 2007, 12:13:19 AM »
2 more words.....not good. Their kids are going to have to learn to deal with those who aren't like them, and more importantly, show the Light of Christ to them.  ;)

I was home-schooled thru high-school, and I still had plenty of opportunity to "show the Light of Christ"... being homeschooled didnt make my neighborhood, church, etc. any less of a mission field... I learned very well to deal with people unlike me (I grew up in a 95% black community), and there are "gays" in the church & my block. Having had Christian morals and ideals planted in me throughout my grammer & high school years prepared me more than I originally thought for COLLEGE!!! I go a community college in Chicago- and there are no lack of homosexuals & lesbians... but that intense 1 on 1 training with my mother prepared me more for being a witness than a childhood of going to public/private school & church would have... Homechooling is definately a good "alternative lifestyle" that provides a solid answer to the general lawlessness and corruption of today's schools... as well as the drop of academic standards... no offense, schoolteachers. Even though I am not a parent, the idea of my little 7 year old son/daughter coming home from school asking "why does Tommy have two daddies?" makes me shudder.

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Re: THIS HAS GOTTEN OUT OF CONTROL!!!! (that topic again, but SO WHAT!)
« Reply #27 on: January 05, 2007, 12:40:43 AM »
Sjon and Furious for President!! Ok now since my candidancy has been announced please go out to the polls. Wayne you are absolutely correct in your statements on how we may not enjoy some of the freedoms that we all enjoy now in the future. As a categorized Negro, African American colored person, I must say that our educational value has always been different from the white community.

Scholarship in the ghetto is not only discouraged but looked upon as impossible. Thankfully you were able to home school your children. You could raise them up in the high ideals of faith and values. That was your right however the disturbing trend that dates back centuries for people of color is the fact that resources are miniscule for us and the working poor. Economically the masses of our people cannot compete. Among the undeducated in socities throughout history you find poverty, sickness and disease. That train is never late.

The Remnant of us who make it sometimes struggle with our individual responsible for the community. What further divides our country is the fact the working poor of this country(the middle class) buys into the system of race, class, and inequality. It's a lottery type of mentality. We find ourselves chasing our proverbial tails. While the richest 1 percent of America truly builds wealth, we dream of the opportunity that we may get there to! It is absoulutely foolish.  Education in this country has become about what you can pay for rather than an endowment for all. That leads me back to my original statement. Education was only supposed to be for a certain class of people in the first place. I digress I hope all can see my point..

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My grandfather was a sharecropper. He never owned anything until after he retired....he bought a singlewide trailer and put it on my dad's place. .My father was raised picking COTTON by hand. My dad rode to town on a mule and wagon, in the 40's because they had no car. My father told stories of my grandmother sending him to the neighbors' to borrow something to eat. My grandfather took to making moonshine and almost got put away in prison. I think there was some praying going on somewhere. My grandfather then moved to a ghetto and worked in the citrus factory in Dade City, Florida. He lived right there with the black folks, ate dinner with them, a black midwife delivered one or two of his children, my uncles.

My people were always dirt poor until my dad. My dad decided early that he wanted to make something of himself. He had no college education, but got a job working in a grocery store and became a meat cutter. From there he worked to buy a small 13 acre farm. He would work hard all day...then come home and work the farm. Little by little he paid it off and bought a bigger farm. Raising cattle was his dream. He loved it.  I can give you names of black people I know who did the same. What resources did my dad have? Gallons of sweat and coming home from work and from the fields with his gnarly hands bleeding. The man was a workaholic.

I sat right there in the same classroom with black boys and girls... We all had the same opportunity to learn.
My first job was pulling weeds and hoeing in a huge watermelon field...right along with the black folks.
The next job was as a stock boy in a grocery store....working right along with black folks.
My last job, before becoming self employed, was in a big warehouse with a few hundred black men and women, doing the same jobs and had quite a few black bosses. Some of these people broke away from the factory, as I did, and went on to bigger and better things.

Brother, the place where I live in the country is surrounded by hundreds of acres of beautiful land....OWNED by ...you guessed it...families of black folks. There are MANY businesses around here, owned by black people.  One of my black neighbors is a physician. Her husband is a successful building contractor. Why? How did they do it?
What special "resources" are available to me that aren't to you?

 How did we homeschool our kids? First, my wife quit her job 21 years ago. Initially, she would cry because she was worried that we couldn't live on my paycheck, which at the time, was less than 5 bucks an hour. When the kids started to reach school age, she bought the homeschool curriculum and started teaching. Later, she learned that she could buy their materials off the internet. I think she gets their books now for around 200 bucks a year or less. That's about all there is to that. But the teaching,  grading etc. THAT takes time and work. But it's worth it.
How do you make it on one meager paycheck? By working two or three jobs and sometimes doing without a few things.
I personally know other folks who worked two or three jobs...black folks.

Living in a big city, I know, has to be a very different situation. Country and city folk always seem to see things from a very different perspective. I know of white folks who are dirt poor. Where I am, the opportunities look to be the same.
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Re: THIS HAS GOTTEN OUT OF CONTROL!!!! (that topic again, but SO WHAT!)
« Reply #28 on: January 05, 2007, 12:52:51 AM »
My children are all under the age of 5 and stay at home with my mother.  I did put the oldest child in a Mommie's day out program for a little bit but I encounterd several acts of racism there and figured they had to be doing something wrong to my child.  First the director told me they did not have a lot of black kids in the facility. She let it slip out that "Most black people can not afford our facility". Second incident I was picking up my child and one of the parents asked me (I was dressed business casual) if I were part of the housekeeping staff and she LOOKED at my shock and said "Oh you are a parent aren't you".  I really struggle with protecting my children from this lawlessness and corruption in the world.  I am asking God to bless our finances and give me strength so I can have the viable option to home school them. God knows my children are already learning more than they teach in the schools and they are happy.

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Re: THIS HAS GOTTEN OUT OF CONTROL!!!! (that topic again, but SO WHAT!)
« Reply #29 on: January 05, 2007, 01:02:49 AM »
What is amazing is that if we are as " OPEN" about our position on Homosexuality as the Homosexual is about theirs.... we would  be seen as incensitive and cruel and in some cases face loseof a job if you consider how it is in the work place.

In my office I have rainbows everywhere and if I say something about it...I end up in a meeting. But we are all supposedly entitled to our opinion and freedom of speech.  ?/? ?/? ?/? ?/?

Now i'm like Ricky Smiley on this, God used the rainbow as a symbol of His covenant with man to never use the flood to destroy earth again. How in the world are the homosexuals gone take what God used as a symbol of a covenant and then take it and use it as a symbol for an ungodly lifestyle? Oh God!!   
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Re: THIS HAS GOTTEN OUT OF CONTROL!!!! (that topic again, but SO WHAT!)
« Reply #30 on: January 05, 2007, 01:03:05 AM »
My children are all under the age of 5 and stay at home with my mother.  I did put the oldest child in a Mommie's day out program for a little bit but I encounterd several acts of racism there and figured they had to be doing something wrong to my child.  First the director told me they did not have a lot of black kids in the facility. She let it slip out that "Most black people can not afford our facility". Second incident I was picking up my child and one of the parents asked me (I was dressed business casual) if I were part of the housekeeping staff and she LOOKED at my shock and said "Oh you are a parent aren't you".  I really struggle with protecting my children from this lawlessness and corruption in the world.  I am asking God to bless our finances and give me strength so I can have the viable option to home school them. God knows my children are already learning more than they teach in the schools and they are happy.

Sister,
It may be like you've heard people say: "if you wait until you can AFFORD to HAVE kids, you'll never have them"

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How did we homeschool our kids? First, my wife quit her job 21 years ago. Initially, she would cry because she was worried that we couldn't live on my paycheck, which at the time, was less than 5 bucks an hour. When the kids started to reach school age, she bought the homeschool curriculum and started teaching. Later, she learned that she could buy their materials off the internet. I think she gets their books now for around 200 bucks a year or less. That's about all there is to that. But the teaching,  grading etc. THAT takes time and work. But it's worth it.
How do you make it on one meager paycheck? By working two or three jobs and sometimes doing without a few things.
I personally know other folks who worked two or three jobs...black folks.

It might just take sacrifice. It won't be easy. But God will bless if it's His will.
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Re: THIS HAS GOTTEN OUT OF CONTROL!!!! (that topic again, but SO WHAT!)
« Reply #31 on: January 05, 2007, 01:56:06 AM »
Sister,
It may be like you've heard people say: "if you wait until you can AFFORD to HAVE kids, you'll never have them"

It might just take sacrifice. It won't be easy. But God will bless if it's His will.

AMEN. I am soul searching now.

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Re: THIS HAS GOTTEN OUT OF CONTROL!!!! (that topic again, but SO WHAT!)
« Reply #32 on: January 05, 2007, 02:34:44 AM »
I know this isn't a "home-school" thread, but it seems we've hijacked it!

LOL

Anyway, my wife does most of the homeschooling. I do the music and help out with problem areas that my daughter seems to only catch when I explain it. Here, and I'm sure it's the same in the States, they have a program where our daughter can attend a class in regular school as part of her homeschooling curriculum. We plan to do that in September for 1st grade. We had a class on Tuesday, where we examined leaves under a microscope. I just let her have fun looking at different things under the microscope. They don't do that in Kindergarten in most schools. Our daughters use time4learning.com and starfall.com. The youngest, 2, even likes to watch as our oldest daughter does her assignments. I just know she's absorbing it all.

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Re: THIS HAS GOTTEN OUT OF CONTROL!!!! (that topic again, but SO WHAT!)
« Reply #33 on: January 05, 2007, 07:12:43 AM »
I was home-schooled thru high-school, and I still had plenty of opportunity to "show the Light of Christ"... being homeschooled didnt make my neighborhood, church, etc. any less of a mission field... I learned very well to deal with people unlike me (I grew up in a 95% black community), and there are "gays" in the church & my block. Having had Christian morals and ideals planted in me throughout my grammer & high school years prepared me more than I originally thought for COLLEGE!!! I go a community college in Chicago- and there are no lack of homosexuals & lesbians... but that intense 1 on 1 training with my mother prepared me more for being a witness than a childhood of going to public/private school & church would have... Homechooling is definately a good "alternative lifestyle" that provides a solid answer to the general lawlessness and corruption of today's schools... as well as the drop of academic standards... no offense, schoolteachers. Even though I am not a parent, the idea of my little 7 year old son/daughter coming home from school asking "why does Tommy have two daddies?" makes me shudder.


Why aren't people reading ALL of my posts, or my posts in their ENTIRETY?!?!?!!??

And, why aren't you using P-A-R-A-G-R-A-P-H-S!!!!

I'm sure you learned that while you were home-schooled, RIGHT!??!?!??  ;D


Again, I don't have any problem with folk home-schooling their kids. It would seem that folks here have found the necessary balance for success in this area.

I was speaking about those children that I have experienced NOT becoming well adjusted when they are "mainstreamed". That's it and that's all.


AGAIN, I'M NOT BASHING HOME-SCHOOLING!!! READ MY WHOLE POST, DAGNABIT!! ;D
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Re: THIS HAS GOTTEN OUT OF CONTROL!!!! (that topic again, but SO WHAT!)
« Reply #34 on: January 05, 2007, 08:40:30 AM »
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You know what, I can feel what you're saying, truly I can. I'm not one of those who'd say "don't home-school EVER". As a matter of fact, just a couple of months ago, I encourage a mother TO homeschool her child. Believe me, I understand that the gubment ( Wink) is running the educational show (and I wish I could change the channel! Angry)

And Furious, like David Alan Grier said in 'Boomerang', "If you make it on Oprah, I'mma be front row!"  Grin


But, as for running this country, I'd take a stab at it witcha!  Grin Grin


SJon.....
Already acknowledged and appreciated.

And I was never homeschooled. Wish I had been.

Sister Redd,
My wife uses "Abeka" and "Switched On Schoolhouse" for homeschool materials. The SOS is good because it's software and everything is done on computer. She gets the materials off Amazon, Ebay, and Veggiesource and usually buys it used. This saves a lot of money.

http://www.abeka.com/

http://www.discountchristian.com/sos.html?partner=GoogSOS

As the kids get older and more disciplined,  they can do it unsupervised.
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Re: THIS HAS GOTTEN OUT OF CONTROL!!!! (that topic again, but SO WHAT!)
« Reply #35 on: January 05, 2007, 09:35:40 AM »
Brother Webb,

Thanks for sharing your story. Your words further echo my point. Poor people in this country come in all shapes, colors and sizes. The unfortunate truth is that economically, socially and scholastically we are divided in most parts of the country. Your upbringing has made you comfortable around people as long as you are treated with respect. In my experiences I can truly say that when children aren't exposed to proper social and scholastic environment they are most likely to form ideals of either superiority or inferiority.

Your words are both encouraging and heart felt. I do believe that America can be better however the overwhelming evidence of greed, ignorance, hate and predjudice stands in the way of us fulfilling our potential. Sadly our national media downplays stories like yours. WE can only get who killed, raped or slept with a high ranking a official as items that are news worthy. Take it from a Broadcast communications major..

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Re: THIS HAS GOTTEN OUT OF CONTROL!!!! (that topic again, but SO WHAT!)
« Reply #36 on: January 06, 2007, 11:45:00 AM »
Now i'm like Ricky Smiley on this, God used the rainbow as a symbol of His covenant with man to never use the flood to destroy earth again. How in the world are the homosexuals gone take what God used as a symbol of a covenant and then take it and use it as a symbol for an ungodly lifestyle? Oh God!!   

Ooo Wee!  :o :o Watch that thang right there.  I didn't even think about it like that.  That makes so much since.  You right Churchman, you right.  Wow, what a revelation. 
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« Reply #37 on: January 06, 2007, 12:12:08 PM »
Ooo Wee!  :o :o Watch that thang right there.  I didn't even think about it like that.  That makes so much since.  You right Churchman, you right.  Wow, what a revelation. 


Just goes to show how man and satan can get together and take what God made to be beautiful and pervert it.
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« Reply #38 on: January 06, 2007, 05:14:09 PM »
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HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!  See there, I had my "oh my GOD this is awful" face on, and had to read this!!!  LOL!

But seriously folks.  While the homosexual lifestyle is somewhat of an epidemic...in all fairness...most women have referred to their men as their "partner" for quite some time.  In fact, that's where the gay population got it from (in keeping with the "there's nothing new under the sun" passage).

Remember the all-out WAR about taking love, honor, and OBEY out of the marriage vows because OBEY did not suggest "partnership"?

I think God allowed this to happen because he wanted the author to come to LGM (where some people are battling/struggling this thing), and what He wanted to communicate to His people went forth.

In the natural, I think Kohl's may have just been understocked that day (due to the holidays...and everyone has holiday weddings, birthdays, and anniversaries).

Thanks to the author for being the Lord's mouthpiece...reminding the saints once again about the wages of sin.

HD

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« Reply #39 on: January 06, 2007, 05:22:03 PM »
DUMB QUESTION OF THE WEEK:  Do home schooled kids get diplomas?  How does that work?  Seriously!

In reading B3's post, I had a visual.  If home schooling offers diplomas, etc. could we start full-time schools in our churches?


Dumb question, but curiosity made me ask!  LOL!
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