I love the sounds of these chords

[Mrandrew]

These are from Manifest. I just love the sound and the movement.

Gb/EAbADb
A/GBDGb
Eb/GBbDbGb (bass could be A also)
D/GbBbDbE
F/AbDbF

[musallio]

this is "dread" MrAndrew!

What key is it in? E?

[chevonee]

This looks like E maybe...These chords sound nice though. You guys have been on a roll lately. Keep em comin and God bless!!

[T-Block]

This sounds more like the key of either A or F#/Gb minor.  It sounds like the chord with the Eb is a quick passing chord, so it's either some type of 6-1-4-3 progression in A, or some type of i-III-vi-V progression in F#/Gb minor.

[musallio]

This sounds more like the key of either A or F#/Gb minor.  It sounds like the chord with the Eb is a quick passing chord, so it's either some type of 6-1-4-3 progression in A, or some type of i-III-vi-V progression in F#/Gb minor.

Well, I'll go with that boss...
My ears still need extensive training!!!!
I know that I like to sometimes confuse the A with E, just like how I used to confuse B with Gb some time back

Seriously, this stuff is too much for my ears to tell the exact key..how do U guys  do it?!?

[T-Block]

Seriously, this stuff is too much for my ears to tell the exact key..how do U guys  do it?!?

I credit all my college theory courses that taught me how to hear, play, and write out chord progressions using what is called figured bass.  That means you start with a bass line then finish the rest of the chord according to how the bass moves.  I'm serious man, they just give you the key and nothing but the bass notes, then it's up to you to put chords with them.  It was hard at first, but eventually I got the hang of it.

That's why I immediately start with the bass line when learning any kind of song because it's been instilled in me from the beginning.  Once I hear how the bass goes, the scale degrees (1, 4, 7, etc.) just come to me and I figure out the key from there.

[musallio]

I credit all my college theory courses that taught me how to hear, play, and write out chord progressions using what is called figured bass.  That means you start with a bass line then finish the rest of the chord according to how the bass moves.  I'm serious man, they just give you the key and nothing but the bass notes, then it's up to you to put chords with them.  It was hard at first, but eventually I got the hang of it.

That's why I immediately start with the bass line when learning any kind of song because it's been instilled in me from the beginning.  Once I hear how the bass goes, the scale degrees (1, 4, 7, etc.) just come to me and I figure out the key from there.

Thanks for bringing that up man: the topic of FIGURED BASS.

I can also add chords to the bass..
In fact, that's how I create my grooves--I choose the bassline I want & then dress it up with chords.

I think I also use that method sometimes, but am just not aware
But for this progression, how does 1 conclude it's in A or Gb minor?
--2 answer my own question--am I corect to say it's all about good ear training?

--if so, I have lotsa training to do
By my own admission, I've been lazy to train my ear to the required level, I've only trained myself to hear the popular basslines or chords& not even in any particular key

[T-Block]

But for this progression, how does 1 conclude it's in A or Gb minor?
--2 answer my own question--am I corect to say it's all about good ear training?

--if so, I have lotsa training to do
By my own admission, I've been lazy to train my ear to the required level, I've only trained myself to hear the popular basslines or chords& not even in any particular key

It does have to do with good ear training.  Even if you ears aren't that good, u can't deny the theory.  If you play the bass notes by itself, you should see & hear the pattern:

Gb (6)
A (1)
Eb  *passing chord
D (4)
F (b6/#5)  *this is really a 3 (C#) in 1st inversion

Then, put it with the chords:

Gb / E-Ab-A-Db (6)
A / G-B-D-Gb (1)
Eb / G-Bb-Db-Gb (bass could be A also)
D / Gb-Bb-Db-E (4)
F / Ab-Db-F (b6)  *really a 3 in 1st inversion

You see on that chord with the Eb, "it has bass could also be A"?  That further lets me know it's a passing chord.  Then, u see the last chord is a Db/C# major chord, that's why I call it a 3 in 1st inversion.  It's a secondary dominant because 3 is usally minor, but here is major.  And it goes right where it's supposed to, back to 6.

I would rename some of these notes, but this is what the original poster posted, LOL.

Have you ever heard a song called "Glory Glory" by New Direction?  Well, when that song first starts out, it uses a progression similar to this in Eb minor.

[chevonee]

It does have to do with good ear training.  Even if you ears aren't that good, u can't deny the theory.  If you play the bass notes by itself, you should see & hear the pattern:

Gb (6)
A (1)
Eb  *passing chord
D (4)
F (b6/#5)  *this is really a 3 (C#) in 1st inversion

Then, put it with the chords:

Gb / E-Ab-A-Db (6)
A / G-B-D-Gb (1)
Eb / G-Bb-Db-Gb (bass could be A also)
D / Gb-Bb-Db-E (4)
F / Ab-Db-F (b6)  *really a 3 in 1st inversion

You see on that chord with the Eb, "it has bass could also be A"?  That further lets me know it's a passing chord.  Then, u see the last chord is a Db/C# major chord, that's why I call it a 3 in 1st inversion.  It's a secondary dominant because 3 is usally minor, but here is major.  And it goes right where it's supposed to, back to 6.

I would rename some of these notes, but this is what the original poster posted, LOL.

Have you ever heard a song called "Glory Glory" by New Direction?  Well, when that song first starts out, it uses a progression similar to this in Eb minor.

I love this explanation T-block. Out of curiosity I would like to know what notes you would put with these chords.....sorry I can't help myself. I am very hungry to learn more and more from my fellow LGMers.

[Mrandrew]

It does have to do with good ear training.  Even if you ears aren't that good, u can't deny the theory.  If you play the bass notes by itself, you should see & hear the pattern:

Gb (6)
A (1)
Eb  *passing chord
D (4)
F (b6/#5)  *this is really a 3 (C#) in 1st inversion

Then, put it with the chords:

Gb / E-Ab-A-Db (6)
A / G-B-D-Gb (1)
Eb / G-Bb-Db-Gb (bass could be A also)
D / Gb-Bb-Db-E (4)
F / Ab-Db-F (b6)  *really a 3 in 1st inversion

You see on that chord with the Eb, "it has bass could also be A"?  That further lets me know it's a passing chord.  Then, u see the last chord is a Db/C# major chord, that's why I call it a 3 in 1st inversion.  It's a secondary dominant because 3 is usally minor, but here is major.  And it goes right where it's supposed to, back to 6.

I would rename some of these notes, but this is what the original poster posted, LOL.Have you ever heard a song called "Glory Glory" by New Direction?  Well, when that song first starts out, it uses a progression similar to this in Eb minor.

Feel free to rename them, this is about learning so I have no problem with it.

[musallio]

Cool, I like the explanation T-Block.
Thanx man

I love this explanation T-block. Out of curiosity I would like to know what notes you would put with these chords.....sorry I can't help myself. I am very hungry to learn more and more from my fellow LGMers.

I don't understand the question well Vonne: Are you asking T-Block what bassline he'd add to these chords or what chords he'd add to the bassline?

If it's the former, than that's a very interesting 1 because it really test's 1's creativity.
If it's the latter, than that opens up lots of ideas as well & can change the feel of the progression completely.

[chevonee]

Cool, I like the explanation T-Block.
Thanx man

I don't understand the question well Vonne: Are you asking T-Block what bassline he'd add to these chords or what chords he'd add to the bassline?

If it's the former, than that's a very interesting 1 because it really test's 1's creativity.
If it's the latter, than that opens up lots of ideas as well & can change the feel of the progression completely.

I would rename some of these notes, but this is what the original poster posted, LOL

T-block said that he would've used different chords so I wanted to know which ones he would've used.

[musallio]

T-block said that he would've used different chords so I wanted to know which ones he would've used.

4 sho..

I aso would've used different chords with that bassline for sure.
But 1 should not taint the intended idea of the composer unless given a go-ahead

[cas10a]

It does have to do with good ear training.  Even if you ears aren't that good, u can't deny the theory.  If you play the bass notes by itself, you should see & hear the pattern:

Gb (6)
A (1)
Eb  *passing chord
D (4)
F (b6/#5)  *this is really a 3 (C#) in 1st inversion

Then, put it with the chords:

Gb / E-Ab-A-Db (6)
A / G-B-D-Gb (1)
Eb / G-Bb-Db-Gb (bass could be A also)
D / Gb-Bb-Db-E (4)
F / Ab-Db-F (b6)  *really a 3 in 1st inversion

You see on that chord with the Eb, "it has bass could also be A"?  That further lets me know it's a passing chord.  Then, u see the last chord is a Db/C# major chord, that's why I call it a 3 in 1st inversion.  It's a secondary dominant because 3 is usally minor, but here is major.  And it goes right where it's supposed to, back to 6.

I would rename some of these notes, but this is what the original poster posted, LOL.

Have you ever heard a song called "Glory Glory" by New Direction?  Well, when that song first starts out, it uses a progression similar to this in Eb minor.

I see A also...I like the first 4 chords but the final chord doesn't sit well with what I'm hearing, but I get the theory above...sounds correct to me...

....Here is what I guess my ear is looking to hear...lol

Gb / E-Ab-A-Db (6)
A / G-B-D-Gb (1)
Eb / G-Bb-Db-Gb (bass could be A also)
D / Gb-Bb-Db-E (4) ...Here I might use D/F#-A-C#-E
F / Ab-Db-F (b6)  *really a 3 in 1st inversion...G-D-F/E-A-C-E (sub for the Db/C# chord) ...
...maybe walk down notes in RH after
/D,
/C#,
/B,
back to top chord
F#/E-Ab-A-C# (6)

[B3Wannabe]

This is the closest I came to it.

Key F

Gb / Ab-C-Eb-Ab
A / Eb-Gb-B
Eb / G-C-F, G#-C#-F#
C / Bb-D-G
F / A-C-F ***tonic


...and my spin.

Key Db

Db / Bb
C / C
Bb / Db
Ab / Eb
Gb / Gb-Bb-Db-F
G / F-A-C
A / G-B-D
D / F-A-C
Eb / Gb-Bb-Db
D, C / C-F, Gb ( play the tritone with your thumbs after playing the chord )
F / A-C-Eb-Ab
Bb / Ab-C-Db-F
Eb / G-C-Db-F
Ab / Gb-Bb-Cb-Eb
Db / F-Bb-Cb-Eb
Gb / Ab-Db-F
(resolve to Db)

[cas10a]

This is the closest I came to it.

Key F

Gb / Ab-C-Eb-Ab
A / Eb-Gb-B
Eb / G-C-F, G#-C#-F#
C / Bb-D-G
F / A-C-F ***tonic


...and my spin.

Key Db

Db / Bb
C / C
Bb / Db
Ab / Eb
Gb / Gb-Bb-Db-F
G / F-A-C
A / G-B-D
D / F-A-C
Eb / Gb-Bb-Db
D, C / C-F, Gb ( play the tritone with your thumbs after playing the chord )
F / A-C-Eb-Ab
Bb / Ab-C-Db-F
Eb / G-C-Db-F
Ab / Gb-Bb-Cb-Eb
Db / F-Bb-Cb-Eb
Gb / Ab-Db-F
(resolve to Db)

I haven't played this...but it looks like you changed keys from the original posted chord progression?...or are you just starting in a different key with alternate chords?...

[B3Wannabe]

I haven't played this...but it looks like you changed keys from the original posted chord progression?...or are you just starting in a different key with alternate chords?...

1st one: Modified the bass on the last one and changed all the chords, ended on different key.

2nd one: Added more chords, used same bass, ended on different key.

That's all.

[T-Block]

Gb / E-Ab-A-Db (6)
A / G-B-D-Gb (1)
Eb / G-Bb-Db-Gb (bass could be A also)
D / Gb-Bb-Db-E (4)
F / Ab-Db-F (b6)  *really a 3 in 1st inversion

Chords renamed to fit the key of A:

F# / E-G#-A-C# (6)
A / G-B-D-F# (1)
D# / G-A#-C#-F# (#4)  *passing chord, bass could also be A
D / F#-A#-C#-E (4)
E# / G#-C#-E# (#5)  *really a 3 in 1st inversion

[cas10a]

1st one: Modified the bass on the last one and changed all the chords, ended on different key.

2nd one: Added more chords, used same bass, ended on different key.

That's all.

A'ight...I got ya.

[musallio]

U guys are plain sick

B3, U owe us many more posts.

Once I've caught up with my schoolwork, I'll connect to YIM so we I can suck some skills from U