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I AM TOTALLY FRUSTRATED!! PLEASE LGM FAM HELP!
« on: January 03, 2007, 01:45:02 AM »
I am so tired and frustrated with my playing it is not even funny :-[. I have been playing now for about 4.5 years now and I feel like my playing is going nowhere. I can hold a groove pretty well and do the basic stuff, but the problem is were I can here in my head what and where I want to go within a son I just cant get there. I am self taught just for the record, I have learned modes and a few other scales but to me they are basic sounding to me (basically, I know them but have the slightest clue on how you apply that to playing within a song). I guess maybe bc I am a extremely visual person. If I see somebody do it right in front of me a couple of times I can get it with no problem. But other than that I am about 50-50 on getting it EXACTLY how it is in a song. So...

Does anybody know of a tool rather it be online or video that will help me to apply these things to my playing and try and take it to another level? I have seen many things saying that they will but I dont know what to trust and I dont have $50 to throw away. PLEASE LGM Fam help a brotha out.

If you hearing me play will help your recommendation for me, let me know I can try and post something on YouTube.
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Re: I AM TOTALLY FRUSTRATED!! PLEASE LGM FAM HELP!
« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2007, 02:15:53 AM »
Be encouraged my bass brotha.  The mind to hand connection is what every musician struggles with.  In a basic nutshell, it comes with time (I know we hate hearing that).  More playing, more listening.  I would say do some transcribing if you havent been.  Get some of your fav songs and work with the recording.  Its a tedious process sometimes, but what you will find is alot of material you can use in other songs or just to add to your "lick" repertoire.  Also the more you play the song, the more you know what works and what doesnt.  I always refer ppl to alot of Jon P Kees older stuff.  They contain pretty much alot of the turnarounds and vamps you will find in atleast 80% of gospel music.  I would also say dont just limit your self to bass.  IVe got alot of good lines to use from transcribing sax, trombone, and other instruments.  Pretty soon, someone will be watching your hands to get stuff  :) .
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Re: I AM TOTALLY FRUSTRATED!! PLEASE LGM FAM HELP!
« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2007, 07:31:45 AM »
I am so tired and frustrated with my playing it is not even funny :-[. I have been playing now for about 4.5 years now and I feel like my playing is going nowhere. I can hold a groove pretty well and do the basic stuff, but the problem is were I can here in my head what and where I want to go within a son I just cant get there. I am self taught just for the record, I have learned modes and a few other scales but to me they are basic sounding to me (basically, I know them but have the slightest clue on how you apply that to playing within a song). I guess maybe bc I am a extremely visual person. If I see somebody do it right in front of me a couple of times I can get it with no problem. But other than that I am about 50-50 on getting it EXACTLY how it is in a song. So...

Does anybody know of a tool rather it be online or video that will help me to apply these things to my playing and try and take it to another level? I have seen many things saying that they will but I dont know what to trust and I dont have $50 to throw away. PLEASE LGM Fam help a brotha out.

If you hearing me play will help your recommendation for me, let me know I can try and post something on YouTube.
Bassbygrace is right,you can play riffs and things you hear others play,best way to train your mind to hand is to sing your scales and chord on key when you play the note. Do this for a week and see if you begin to see a diffrents. I'm working with these things now after over a year of playing.Grab a song and play it your way many times your way can be better than the original. Move your hand down under the lower pickup play in that area some,learn to palm mute,slide octaves on the same string,pluck the strings,use a pick sometimes.its ok to try and mess up in your workouts.

Sometimes you stumble onto something with a mistack.

Hope this helps and God Bless  Because playing for God is always fun.

Mostly,let the Spirit have his way

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Re: I AM TOTALLY FRUSTRATED!! PLEASE LGM FAM HELP!
« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2007, 09:52:31 AM »
  I would also say dont just limit your self to bass.  IVe got alot of good lines to use from transcribing sax, trombone, and other instruments. 

I think this is a very important message, because I get plenty of my lines from sax players and at least 40% from guitar players. Im not the most experienced player, but I do get complimented alot about my lines and that is because I spend countless hours listening to jazz and gospel. Another thing that you could do is record your practice sessions, because later on you might hear something that you can build on. And finally, something that I have recently been doing is shedding with other musicians. It helps with creativity and it also helps to meet new people with different styles. Stay up brotha, and I'll pray on it for you.

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Re: I AM TOTALLY FRUSTRATED!! PLEASE LGM FAM HELP!
« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2007, 12:24:38 PM »
If you "hold a groove pretty well and do the basic stuff", you're doing your job.  Certainly bass can be an exciting instrument in the hands of a talented soloist, but the power of the instrument for me is the bassist who brings out the emotion of the song and gets the congregation moving to where their worship is more powerfully felt.

Don't underestimate the job that you're doing. We just fired a drummer who was all over the place doing everything but his job, and one of the most talented slap players in the metro area can't get a gig because he won't shut up and do the job he's supposed to do. 

Give people a solid groove they can hang on to and a floor the rest of the band can stand on and you'll have all the work you can do.
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Re: I AM TOTALLY FRUSTRATED!! PLEASE LGM FAM HELP!
« Reply #5 on: January 04, 2007, 02:58:03 PM »
What you are feeliing right now is perfectly natural.  Most musicians get to that stage after a few years of regular playing and practing and I can assure you that you will feel like this again in the future.  There is nothing wrong with that...it's a good thing.  As frustrated as you may feel with your abilities and application right now you have identified weaknesses and want to resolve them so that you can move forward and improve your musicianship.  That means you do not want to settle with what you know and can do.  You should be encouraged by that. 

To me, it sounds like you could be struggling with improv playing, which most people do after a few years of playing.  A Phrase Trainer could be the ideal tool for you to practice, experiment and apply your music theory.  You can use a Phrase Trainer to practice you runs, scales and modes, soloing and for general excercise.  A couple of my students use them.  You can plug in your CD player or MP3 player into it, filter out the bass and practice whatever you want to the music.  Thats really good if you want to experiment with the current songs that you are playing and open up lots more runs that you could play.  This exercise also helps a lot towards improv playing; ask your keys player to record a basic 2 or 3 chord progression with a steady 4:4 beat in several different keys (4-8 bars of one key then onto another and repeat in random order) and play along to it with a Phrase Trainer or through your stereo.  Now you have to create your own groove and melody over it.  Chords are quite simpyly selected notes from a scale all played together and its up to you which notes to play or if you want to add more. This is where you can have a lot of fun experimenting with scales and apply your modal theory.  You can also change the groove with each change of key and have fun doing that.  Not everything you will play will sound right, but you will understand how to link up notes and shapes that your scales produce and be sensitive to the pace of the music and the melody.  There is lots you can do with this type of excericse, but improv playing is quite simply all about timing and spacing.  This is the ideal time where you can construct and deconstruct your scales and create your own basslines, grooves and runs.  Pretty soon you will find yourself naturally doing this as you are playing with your band.  It is not an overnight thing...you will be constantly challenging yourself to do this for the rest of your playing life.  There is a lot of discipline that you have aquire as you go along.  Remember, the bass is a rhythm instrument that keeps the band together and you have to practice a lot of decorum to ensure that you don't overplay too much.

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Re: I AM TOTALLY FRUSTRATED!! PLEASE LGM FAM HELP!
« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2007, 07:02:27 PM »
Thanks everybody for your input yall ahve definitely given me a lot of ideas on how to get out of this rut. What I have found in the last couple of days that helps me a lot is to put a sond in to my Audacity program and slow the tempo down so that way I can hear all the licks slower so that way I can play around with it until I get it which is good. But as you were talking about Andrzej, my main opposition that I am trying to conquer is my inprov and application of different scales and modal theory, bc its not that I dont know what they are its just that I dont know when to play them within the song. Does anybody know of any reliable source that you guys have used personally used to strengthen these areas?
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Re: I AM TOTALLY FRUSTRATED!! PLEASE LGM FAM HELP!
« Reply #7 on: January 09, 2007, 04:08:38 PM »
I suggest investing in the TASCAM Bass Trainer.  You can actually plug your bas into it and play along with a CD.  There is even a feature to cut the bass out of the CD and you play the bassline.

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Re: I AM TOTALLY FRUSTRATED!! PLEASE LGM FAM HELP!
« Reply #8 on: January 10, 2007, 08:59:23 AM »
Second that...
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Re: I AM TOTALLY FRUSTRATED!! PLEASE LGM FAM HELP!
« Reply #9 on: January 10, 2007, 11:33:02 AM »
Second that...

third that, I own a Tascam bass trainer and I think it's great, one of my better investments.

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Re: I AM TOTALLY FRUSTRATED!! PLEASE LGM FAM HELP!
« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2007, 07:53:24 AM »
Let me add my amen to that. 8)

I have a TASCAM, and let me tell you it is a big part of my practice routine. ;D

It is well worth the investment. ;D
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Re: I AM TOTALLY FRUSTRATED!! PLEASE LGM FAM HELP!
« Reply #11 on: January 14, 2007, 07:37:01 PM »
I guess im gonna hae to go cop that then... ;)
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Re: I AM TOTALLY FRUSTRATED!! PLEASE LGM FAM HELP!
« Reply #12 on: January 23, 2007, 08:24:05 PM »
I suggest investing in the TASCAM Bass Trainer.  You can actually plug your bas into it and play along with a CD.  There is even a feature to cut the bass out of the CD and you play the bassline.

Does it really really remove basslines? coz I'll get me one.
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Re: I AM TOTALLY FRUSTRATED!! PLEASE LGM FAM HELP!
« Reply #13 on: February 05, 2007, 03:39:44 PM »
You should also try a small drum or rythm machine you can speed up or slow down the tempo. Practice scales and modes using different drum patterns. Try not to think just do.
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