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Re: Scales thread
« Reply #40 on: March 05, 2007, 03:43:39 PM »
So it's the Dorian Mode of the Key of C.


D, E, F, G, A, B, C, D = Dorian Mode; Key of C.


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Re: Scales thread
« Reply #41 on: March 05, 2007, 05:01:18 PM »
how do you know when to use scales like dorian, lydian, penatonic, etc.

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Re: Scales thread
« Reply #42 on: March 05, 2007, 05:10:38 PM »

D, E, F, G, A, B, C, D = Dorian Mode; Key of C.


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Re: Scales thread
« Reply #43 on: March 05, 2007, 05:22:25 PM »
how do you know when to use scales like dorian, lydian, penatonic, etc.

Good question

(Um, an example or two would be nice)   :)

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Re: Scales thread
« Reply #44 on: March 05, 2007, 06:25:02 PM »
Good question

(Um, an example or two would be nice)   :)



Very good question, indeed.



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Re: Scales thread
« Reply #45 on: March 06, 2007, 07:54:55 AM »
Dude, I was still confused too. :)

O.K., maybe this can help unconfuse you, if u study it.  Anytime you use a mode other than Ionian/major mode (dorian, phrigian, locrian), it implies this:

1. You are not in that key, you are playing the notes of a major scale other than the starting note of that mode. Example:

C Dorian;  you are not in the key of C, not using the notes of the C major scale
B phrigian;  you are not in the key of B, not using the notes of the B major scale


So, how do u find what key you are in?  You use the name of the mode to help you.  Here is the major scale formula for reference purposes:

1st   WS   2nd   WS   3rd   HS   4th   WS   5th   WS   6th   WS   7th   HS   8th/1st


Dorian = starts with the 2nd scale degree of the major scale;  look at the major scale formula above and see where the 2nd scale degree is, to find the key, which is the 1st, take the starting note and count back 1 whole step or count up 5 whole steps.  Examples:

C Dorian, take C and count back 1 whole step or count up 5 whole steps, Key of Bb
F# Dorian, take C and count back 1 whole step or count up 5 whole steps, Key of E
Ab Dorian, take C and count back 1 whole step or count up 5 whole steps, Key of Gb


Phrigian = starts with the 3rd scale degree of the major scale;  look at the major scale formula above and see where the 3rd scale degree is, to find the key, which is the 1st, take the starting note and count back 2 whole steps or count up 4 whole steps.  Examples:

C Phrigian, take C and count back 2 whole steps or count up 4 whole steps, Key of Ab
F# Dorian, take F# and count back 2 whole steps or count up 4 whole steps, Key of D
Ab Dorian, take Ab and count back 2 whole steps or count up 4 whole steps, Key of Fb/E


Lydian = starts with the 4th scale degree of the major scale;  look at the major scale formula above and see where the 4th scale degree is, to find the key, which is the 1st, take the starting note and count back 2 whole steps + 1/2 step or count up 3 whole steps + 1/2 step.  Examples:

C Lydian, take C and count back 2 whole steps + 1/2 step or count up 3 whole step + 1/2 step, Key of G
F# Lydian, take F# and count back 2 whole steps + 1/2 step or count up 3 whole steps + 1/2 step, Key of C#
Ab Lydian, take Ab and count back 2 whole steps + 1/2 step or count up 3 whole steps + 1/2 step, Key of Eb


Mixolydian = starts with the 5th scale degree of the major scale;  look at the major scale formula above and see where the 5th scale degree is, to find the key, which is the 1st, take the starting note and count back 3 whole steps + 1/2 step or count up 2 whole steps + 1/2 step.  Examples:

C Mixolydian, take C and count back 3 whole steps + 1/2 step or count up 2 whole steps + 1/2 step, Key of F
F# Mixolydian, take F# and count back 3 whole steps + 1/2 step or count up 2 whole steps + 1/2 step, Key of B
Ab Mixolydian, take Ab and count back 3 whole steps + 1/2 step or count up 2 whole steps + 1/2 step, Key of Db


Aeolian/minor = starts with the 6th scale degree of the major scale;  look at the major scale formula above and see where the 6th scale degree is, to find the key, which is the 1st, take the starting note and count back 4 whole steps + 1/2 step or count up 1 whole step + 1/2 step.  Examples:

C Aeolian, take C and count back 4 whole steps + 1/2 step or count up 1 whole step + 1/2 step, Key of Eb
F# Aeolian, take F# and count back 4 whole steps + 1/2 step or count up 1 whole step + 1/2 step, Key of A
Ab Aeolian, take Ab and count back 4 whole steps + 1/2 step or count up 1 whole step + 1/2 step, Key of Cb


Lorcian = starts with the 7th scale degree of the major scale;  look at the major scale formula above and see where the 7th scale degree is, to find the key, which is the 1st, take the starting note and count back 5 whole steps + 1/2 step or count up 1/2 step.  Examples:

C Locrian, take C and count back 5 whole steps + 1/2 step or count up 1/2 step, Key of Db
F# Locrian, take F# and count back 5 whole steps + 1/2 step or count up 1/2 step, Key of G
Ab Locrian, take Ab and count back 5 whole steps + 1/2 step or count up 1/2 step, Key of Bbb/A


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Re: Scales thread
« Reply #46 on: March 06, 2007, 08:45:42 AM »
Any questions???

YEP

how do you know when to use scales like dorian, lydian, penatonic, etc.

In other words, what kind of chords would these scales be played over?

Knowing the proper names for the scales is valuable info...how to APPLY the scales is even more valuable.

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Re: Scales thread
« Reply #47 on: March 06, 2007, 08:54:30 AM »
YEP

In other words, what kind of chords would these scales be played over?

Knowing the proper names for the scales is valuable info...how to APPLY the scales is even more valuable.



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Re: Scales thread
« Reply #48 on: March 06, 2007, 09:09:56 AM »

In other words, what kind of chords would these scales be played over?

Knowing the proper names for the scales is valuable info...how to APPLY the scales is even more valuable.

Well, that question I can't answer for you right now because I haven't really thought about it.  When I use those different modes, i think of it as I'm playing the major scale.  It is sort of instinctive for me, but even if my instincts are wrong, i make it work somehow.  I just hit a note and start running the scale from there.
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Re: Scales thread
« Reply #49 on: March 06, 2007, 09:39:14 AM »
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Re: Scales thread
« Reply #50 on: April 18, 2007, 03:49:14 PM »
C whole tone scale- C, D, E, F#, G#, A#
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