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drummin4JC

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Re: Constructive Criticism vs. Judging
« Reply #20 on: May 15, 2007, 02:38:33 PM »
I feel that if example- my co pastor or the main drummer or my worship leader tells me a comment you best beleive imma get on my grind because i feel that they know what there talking about. I remember my timing used to be OFF and when i used to play they used to tell me i need to work on my timing. so one day the lead drummer told me to get a metronome that i need to work on my timing i got on my grind bought a metronome practiced with the metronome and i aint take no offense to it at all bacause they were trying to better me. but if a random old lady comes up to me and tells me that i suck and i need to quit i aint gonna listen to her cause she dont know what she talking about! that criticism i do not take!!!!

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Re: Constructive Criticism vs. Judging
« Reply #21 on: May 15, 2007, 02:39:07 PM »
It depends on the the person personality everyone knows a hater and a helper.If it helps you improve than it cool.If it make strong thatz cool to. The problem with church and church musicians is that everything is built on emotion first thing the preacher do when he gets up is try to get you emotional. the first thing musician do when they get up is capture the emotion of the audience. This is why the church is mostly women.....constructive criticism or judging

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Re: Constructive Criticism vs. Judging
« Reply #22 on: May 15, 2007, 02:48:08 PM »
It depends on the the person personality everyone knows a hater and a helper.If it helps you improve than it cool.If it make strong thatz cool to. The problem with church and church musicians is that everything is built on emotion first thing the preacher do when he gets up is try to get you emotional. the first thing musician do when they get up is capture the emotion of the audience. This is why the church is mostly women.....constructive criticism or judging

...that last comment sounds "sexist" dawg.  What are you statin'?  Please make this clearer before they come and wipe you off the board. ;D ;D

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Re: Constructive Criticism vs. Judging
« Reply #23 on: May 15, 2007, 03:00:12 PM »
I am not sexist.

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Re: Constructive Criticism vs. Judging
« Reply #24 on: May 15, 2007, 04:33:23 PM »
  The question is are you mature enough to accept unwelcomed criticism?

...that's a very good question.  Some cats are not mature enough although they may be of mature age. :-\

...here's an excerpt from "The Drum Gods" by "Modern Drummer"....

...."Papa Jo Jones earned his nickname by being a father figure to other musicians-although his "lessons" were sometimes harsh.  He often offered sage advice in the form of stinging criticism.  But no matter how harsh his manner, those on the receiving end of his wrath knew that, if he didn't care about them, he wouldn't bother trying to set them straight."

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Re: Constructive Criticism vs. Judging
« Reply #25 on: May 15, 2007, 05:25:41 PM »
If a musician has issues with taking advice I have 2 words for them...

HARDEN UP.

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Re: Constructive Criticism vs. Judging
« Reply #26 on: May 15, 2007, 07:21:22 PM »
...yes.  You told me. :D

...back to the thread Robin...




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Re: Constructive Criticism vs. Judging
« Reply #27 on: May 15, 2007, 07:53:27 PM »
Awh man I can relate to this topic real hard, it jus so happens that I am the younger of this situation, the other guy can't take constructive anything, as a matter of fact the violins start playing everytime someone mentions another drummer around him thats dope=has studied their craft, and took it to another level while still being musical and sensible, for some reason he always backfires with yeah but I'm annointed...lol, and he just knows all that technical stuff(as he puts it anyway), I'm like dude don't get mad at me becuz I practice and strive for perfection and on top of that there is annointment on my life and playing drums and I don't throw it up in anybodys face, he's the older of the 2 and acts like some lil kid in the church that is coming in to take YOUR SPOT,(it isn't anybodies spot to begin with...lol) but yeah the fact of the matter is he cannot take C/C at all and he always throws off on,yeah I'm annointed...so I'll leave this vent session alone on my behalf, but I'll leave in agrreance with some of you catz, DUDEs just need to STOP CRYING and MAN UP...everybody ain't as Dope as they think they are...and if YOU PUT YOURSELF OUTHERE, EXPECT TO GET COMPLEMENTED OR TO GET BASHED, IT'S THAT SIMPLE....
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Re: Constructive Criticism vs. Judging
« Reply #28 on: May 16, 2007, 09:44:38 AM »
Personally I think that it's all a matter of how you approach the situation. It's one thing to take someone to the side and let them know that they're doing wrong, and it's another thing to call them out and blow up their spot. KINDNESS is the key, and that's what God teaches. You don't verbally punish someone, because their only crime is trying to do something they love, and that turns people away. Tell them their tendencies, and do the best you can not to drive them away with your words. I've been their and beacause of it I nearly quit playing. But then being adressed in a totally different manner helped me understand what  was doing wrong and that the person was only looking out for me in the long run...
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Re: Constructive Criticism vs. Judging
« Reply #29 on: May 16, 2007, 05:48:01 PM »
Personally I think that it's all a matter of how you approach the situation. It's one thing to take someone to the side and let them know that they're doing wrong, and it's another thing to call them out and blow up their spot. KINDNESS is the key, and that's what God teaches. You don't verbally punish someone, because their only crime is trying to do something they love, and that turns people away. Tell them their tendencies, and do the best you can not to drive them away with your words. I've been their and beacause of it I nearly quit playing. But then being adressed in a totally different manner helped me understand what  was doing wrong and that the person was only looking out for me in the long run...

I'ma still tell them to harden up... in both situations! ;D

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« Reply #30 on: May 16, 2007, 06:03:43 PM »
I'ma still tell them to harden up... in both situations! ;D

YOU CAN BE AS HARD AS CAN BE BUT IT CAN STILL HURT YOUR FEELINGS!

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Re: Constructive Criticism vs. Judging
« Reply #31 on: May 16, 2007, 07:02:28 PM »
YOU CAN BE AS HARD AS CAN BE BUT IT CAN STILL HURT YOUR FEELINGS!

3 words.

Get... over... it.






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Re: Constructive Criticism vs. Judging
« Reply #32 on: May 16, 2007, 10:01:42 PM »
 ;D  :D  ;D  :D  ;D

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Re: Constructive Criticism vs. Judging
« Reply #33 on: May 17, 2007, 08:32:13 AM »
3 words.

Get... over... it.






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....it goes back to what Sugarbear said.  If you're going to keep crying over it than this isn't for you.  Fix your problem or you'll miss the bus. ;)

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Re: Constructive Criticism vs. Judging
« Reply #34 on: May 17, 2007, 09:24:14 AM »
You know what I think alot of cats cry about it when you say something, but if there a musician they will go home a think about it.
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Re: Constructive Criticism vs. Judging
« Reply #35 on: May 17, 2007, 02:03:19 PM »
You know what I think alot of cats cry about it when you say something, but if there a musician they will go home a think about it.

true that i have gone home after a service and just think about what people say then i'll work on it! 







then after all that i'll CRY!!!!!!!!!!!  ;D

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Re: Constructive Criticism vs. Judging
« Reply #36 on: May 17, 2007, 02:40:40 PM »
...okay folks, when did Constructive Criticism become Judging?  Can someone explain this?  All of the sudden Church Musicians are going around thinking that their playing is great all of the time and as soon as someone tries to help them out and point out there weakness they get upset and say, "Don't judge me!  You're talking about my Praise and criticizing my Praise.  Stop Hating!"   What!?  Are you kidding me!?  This has not happened to me yet but man it's happened to other well known and respected musicians around me.  As a matter of fact, I hear this all of the time at music stores when a bunch of church musicians get together and talk.  "Oh, this guy is a hater or this guy thinks he's all that and he tried to tell me how to play."


...Your thoughts?
Just remember people there is away to do everything, and if your spirit is off when you come to a person then they may take what your saying differently. Also remember Noah's son was cursed for exsposing his father when he should have covered him. He got his brothers and was laughing @ him. and thats what happens in most of our circles people are looking down on the cats that dont play like the crowed. If somebody would check these cats when they do that stuff it would happen less.Also If more people went to cats in the way Jfunky was talking about then we can say there wrong for not exepting what you say.

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Re: Constructive Criticism vs. Judging
« Reply #37 on: May 17, 2007, 02:51:00 PM »
Just remember people there is away to do everything, and if your spirit is off when you come to a person then they may take what your saying differently. Also remember Noah's son was cursed for exsposing his father when he should have covered him. He got his brothers and was laughing @ him. and thats what happens in most of our circles people are looking down on the cats that dont play like the crowed. If somebody would check these cats when they do that stuff it would happen less.Also If more people went to cats in the way Jfunky was talking about then we can say there wrong for not exepting what you say.

...doc', I've become like DrummaSheen on this one though.  I don't tell anyone anything. :-\  The thing is that once someone knows you're a drummer they expect for you to critique them anyway and it's like, "Whatever man, I play better than you anyway."  Then I'm like...."Oooookay.  That's why you're not getting called and will remain where you're at."

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Re: Constructive Criticism vs. Judging
« Reply #38 on: May 17, 2007, 04:58:00 PM »
You know what I think alot of cats cry about it when you say something, but if there a musician they will go home a think about it.

If they cry... they need their man card revoked.  >:(  ;D

But seriously... If they don't take criticism very well - then they've lost the plot. It's not about them.
SabianKnight dished out a harsh lesson to me after I joined LGM (ONLY my 2nd post).

After that I realised that I CAN'T[/u] grow musically without going through my "valley".

I've had the same mentality as JFunky & Sheen... I don't say anything to anyone anymore.

Whenever drumming noobs ask me questions I just turn the whole discussion to something else. I know most of them aren't ready to receive... They're ready to take! But not ready to receive.

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Re: Constructive Criticism vs. Judging
« Reply #39 on: May 17, 2007, 06:06:35 PM »
If they cry... they need their man card revoked.  >:(  ;D

But seriously... If they don't take criticism very well - then they've lost the plot. It's not about them.
SabianKnight dished out a harsh lesson to me after I joined LGM (ONLY my 2nd post).

After that I realised that I CAN'T[/u] grow musically without going through my "valley".

I've had the same mentality as JFunky & Sheen... I don't say anything to anyone anymore.

Whenever drumming noobs ask me questions I just turn the whole discussion to something else. I know most of them aren't ready to receive... They're ready to take! But not ready to receive.
The thing is everybody's not ment to be a teacher vocally. some people are supposed to lead by example. dont feel that you cant teach cats without vocal instuction when you let them see you do the right thing they may not say anything but there check'n you out. everybody has there set a side group of people there put on this earth to effect, the same thing applys musically. our words of wisdome are not ment for some cats, just like a good Pastor knows how to rightly divide the word for his people, we should do the same for our fellow musicians. help who you can and let the other cats do there thing they'll come around. Pastor preach to people won't get save he just has to find the right approach to get them. I dont mean to sound like the old man.lol! But I know me like a lot of you have been see'n this for years.
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