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Another Look At Progressions
« on: May 20, 2007, 08:18:40 AM »
Progressions

I'm sure yall already know what a progression is by now.  So, this post is to show you how people come up with those progressions that have all the 7ths, 9ths, 11ths, 13ths, and altered type chords in them.  First, let's review using the 1-4-5 progression and basic chords:

1-4-5 progression

C / C-E-G
F / F-A-C
G / G-B-D
(repeat)

C / C-E-G (1)      C / E-G-C (1)      C / G-C-E (1)
F / C-F-A (4)       F / F-A-C (4)      F / A-C-F (4)
G / B-D-G (5)       G / D-G-B (5)     G / G-B-D (5)
  (repeat)               (repeat)             (repeat)


That's about as basic as it gets.  These chords are fine with me, but others would say that's kinda boring sounding.  If you are one of those people, I bet you ask yourself, "How can I make this sound better?"  Well, what you can do to make this better is take the list of chords built off the scale degrees, and match them up with the different bass notes.  For review purposes:

1 = major
2 = minor
3 = minor
4 = major
5 = major
6 = minor
7 = diminished

Chords in C:  C-E-G,   D-F-A,   E-G-B,   F-A-C,   G-B-D,   A-C-E,   B-D-F

So, utilizing those chords in C plus the 1-4-5 bass notes for our progressions, let's form a list of chords:

C in bass

C / C-E-G = C major chord
C / D-F-A = D minor 7th chord
C / E-G-B = C major 7th chord
C / F-A-C = F major chord w/5th in bass
C / G-B-D = C major 9th chord w/out the 3rd, or G major chord with C in bass
C / A-C-E = A minor chord with 3rd in the bass
C / B-D-F = B diminished chord with C in bass, CM11 chord w/out 3rd or 5th,

F in bass

F / C-E-G = C major chord with F in bass, FM9 chord w/out 3rd
F / D-F-A = D minor chord with 3rd in bass
F / E-G-B = E minor 9th chord w/out 7th
F / F-A-C = F major chord
F / G-B-D = G dominant 7th (G7) chord with m7th in bass
F / A-C-E = F major 7th chord
F / B-D-F = B diminished chord with 5th in bass

G in bass

G / C-E-G = C major chord with 5th in bass
G / D-F-A = G dominant 9th (G9) chord w/out 3rd
G / E-G-B = E minor chord with 3rd in bass
G / F-A-C = F major 9th chord w/out 7th, F major chord with G in bass
G / G-B-D = G major chord
G / A-C-E = A minor 7th chord with 7th in bass
G / B-D-F = G dominant 7th (G7) chord

Same thing goes with all the other keys and progressions.  So, when you have a particular bass note, think to yourself what other chords can I play that will "mesh" with that bass note.  Let's try the 1-4-5 progression again with different RH chords:

C / G-B-D     C / B-D-G    C / G-B-D
F / A-C-E     F / A-C-E     F / E-A-C
G / F-A-C     G / F-A-C    G / A-C-F

You see how that works?  Just changing the chord or the bass note can make a whole world of difference in sound and quality of your music.  This is just the starting off point.  You can experiment with more complex chords, but this is the basic idea of how it's done.
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Re: Another Look At Progressions
« Reply #1 on: May 20, 2007, 02:26:54 PM »
For even more complex chords, all you have to do is take those chords built off the scale degrees, and add notes them.  Example:
 
C-E-G changes to:  C-E-G-B 
D-F-A changes to:  D-F-A-C
E-G-B changes to:  E-G-B-D
F-A-C changes to:  F-A-C-E
G-B-D changes to:  G-B-D-F
A-C-E changes to:  A-C-E-G
B-D-F changes to:  B-D-F-A
 
So, utilizing this new list of chords, let's see how they affect the list we alread have:
 
C in bass
 
C / C-E-G-B = C major 7th chord
C / D-F-A-C = D minor 7th chord with 7th in bass
C / E-G-B-D = C major 9th chord
C / F-A-C-E = F major 7th chord w/5th in bass
C / G-B-D-F = C major 11th chord w/out the 3rd, or G dominant 11 (G11) chord with C in bass
C / A-C-E-G = A minor 7th chord with 3rd in the bass
C / B-D-F-A = B half-diminished chord with C in bass, CM13 chord w/out 3rd or 5th,
 
F in bass
 
F / C-E-G-B = C major chord with F in bass, FM9 chord w/out 3rd
F / D-F-A-C = D minor 7th chord with 3rd in bass
F / E-G-B-D = E minor 9th chord with 9th in bass
F / F-A-C-E = F major 7th chord
F / G-B-D-F = G dominant 7th (G7) chord with m7th in bass
F / A-C-E-G = F major 9th chord
F / B-D-F-A = B half-diminished chord with 5th in bass
 
G in bass
 
G / C-E-G-B = C major 7th chord with 5th in bass
G / D-F-A-C = G dominant 11th (G11) chord w/out 3rd
G / E-G-B-D = E minor 7th chord with 3rd in bass
G / F-A-C-E = F major 9th chord with 9th in bass
G / G-B-D-F = G dominant 7th chord
G / A-C-E-G = A minor 7th chord with 7th in bass
G / B-D-F-A = G dominant 9th (G9) chord
 
Now, let's try that same 1-4-5 progression using some of the chords from our new list:
 
C / E-G-B-D
F / A-C-E-G     
G / F-A-C-E     

C / G-B-E-D
F / E-G-A-C
G / D-F-A-C


And you can keep that going forever and ever.  It all depends on what sound you want.  If anyone has any questions about this, just let me know.
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Re: Another Look At Progressions
« Reply #2 on: June 04, 2007, 08:42:22 AM »
is this the method to use to understanding number song charts

I have sheet music but instead of the chords it has numbers.

So I should learn progressions in that key of the song to figure out the numbers


on the music it has these numbers    1,4,5,6,7 etc
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Re: Another Look At Progressions
« Reply #3 on: June 04, 2007, 08:45:08 AM »
is this the method to use to understanding number song charts

I have sheet music but instead of the chords it has numbers.

So I should learn progressions in that key of the song to figure out the numbers


on the music it has these numbers    1,4,5,6,7 etc


Where did you get this music from? I have never seen or heard of such a thing.

I think the answer to your question is, 'yes'. If you can understand that a 1 means the first chord in a scale or key, then you're on your way.
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Re: Another Look At Progressions
« Reply #4 on: June 04, 2007, 08:45:54 AM »
Take a look at this to try to get better understanding of numbers (Scale Degrees).

http://www.learngospelmusic.com/ebooks/scale_degrees.pdf
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Re: Another Look At Progressions
« Reply #5 on: June 04, 2007, 05:35:10 PM »
is this the method to use to understanding number song charts

I have sheet music but instead of the chords it has numbers.

So I should learn progressions in that key of the song to figure out the numbers


on the music it has these numbers    1,4,5,6,7 etc

Actually, to understand the numbers all you have to do is know the scale degrees of the major scale and play the correct notes according to the key.

The method I'm explaining here is how to take those basic chords built off the scale degrees and alter them to make up the the chords you hear in gospel music today.
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Re: Another Look At Progressions
« Reply #6 on: June 15, 2007, 11:23:34 AM »
Take a look at this to try to get better understanding of numbers (Scale Degrees).

http://www.learngospelmusic.com/ebooks/scale_degrees.pdf
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Re: Another Look At Progressions
« Reply #7 on: June 15, 2007, 11:35:08 AM »
For even more complex chords, all you have to do is take those chords built off the scale degrees, and add notes them.  Example:
 
C-E-G changes to:  C-E-G-B 
D-F-A changes to:  D-F-A-C
E-G-B changes to:  E-G-B-D
F-A-C changes to:  F-A-C-E
G-B-D changes to:  G-B-D-F
A-C-E changes to:  A-C-E-G
B-D-F changes to:  B-D-F-A
 
So, utilizing this new list of chords, let's see how they affect the list we alread have:
 
C in bass
 
C / C-E-G-B = C major 7th chord
C / D-F-A-C = D minor 7th chord with 7th in bass
C / E-G-B-D = C major 9th chord
C / F-A-C-E = F major 7th chord w/5th in bass
C / G-B-D-F = C major 11th chord w/out the 3rd, or G dominant 11 (G11) chord with C in bass
C / A-C-E-G = A minor 7th chord with 3rd in the bass
C / B-D-F-A = B half-diminished chord with C in bass, CM13 chord w/out 3rd or 5th,
 
F in bass
 
F / C-E-G-B = C major chord with F in bass, FM9 chord w/out 3rd
F / D-F-A-C = D minor 7th chord with 3rd in bass
F / E-G-B-D = E minor 9th chord with 9th in bass
F / F-A-C-E = F major 7th chord
F / G-B-D-F = G dominant 7th (G7) chord with m7th in bass
F / A-C-E-G = F major 9th chord
F / B-D-F-A = B half-diminished chord with 5th in bass
 
G in bass
 
G / C-E-G-B = C major 7th chord with 5th in bass
G / D-F-A-C = G dominant 11th (G11) chord w/out 3rd
G / E-G-B-D = E minor 7th chord with 3rd in bass
G / F-A-C-E = F major 9th chord with 9th in bass
G / G-B-D-F = G dominant 7th chord
G / A-C-E-G = A minor 7th chord with 7th in bass
G / B-D-F-A = G dominant 9th (G9) chord
 
Now, let's try that same 1-4-5 progression using some of the chords from our new list:
 
C / E-G-B-D
F / A-C-E-G     
G / F-A-C-E     

C / G-B-E-D
F / E-G-A-C
G / D-F-A-C


And you can keep that going forever and ever.  It all depends on what sound you want.  If anyone has any questions about this, just let me know.
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Re: Another Look At Progressions
« Reply #8 on: July 20, 2011, 04:40:12 AM »
Aha! Another room @ LGM that I wasn't visiting much ;D. Yesternight I was Studying the information on this thread and it was a great moment. I took the major scale and listed all the 7 chords next to each degree like this, e.g, in Ab:

1.
Ab/ Ab-C-Eb-G
Ab/ Bb-Db-F-Ab
Ab/ C-Eb-G-Bb
Ab/ Db-F-Ab-Bb
Ab/ Eb-G-Bb-Db
Ab/ F-Ab-C-Eb
Ab/ G-Bb-Db-F

2.
Bb/ Ab-C-Eb-G
Bb/ Bb-Db-F-Ab
Bb/ C-Eb-G-Bb  e.t.c

What I noticed is that somehow all the chords can work on any degree and reason being simply that their notes are all from the same major scale of the key you are in.

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Re: Another Look At Progressions
« Reply #9 on: August 09, 2011, 09:19:23 PM »
would you recommend this method if you are starting out playing with a bass guitar player? ... or is there a different thread for that

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Re: Another Look At Progressions
« Reply #10 on: August 10, 2011, 03:17:19 PM »
would you recommend this method if you are starting out playing with a bass guitar player? ... or is there a different thread for that

This method is just for playing period. If you have a bass player, my guess is you would play in a higher register on the keys so u don't clah.
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