Hymns..are they important????........... Oh yes they are!!!!

[sjonathan02]

No I'm talking in an actual service situation. If someone starts singing something that the musician doesn't know and is trying to figure out, instead of some other musician coming to boot them off, why not come to help and show them. In what other way will they learn and keep their dignity?

I have a problem with that. Service is NOT the time for trying to figure out songs that are supposed to minister to God's people, IMHO. That's what rehearsals are for.

If musicians would spend more time in the 'woodshed' (meaning practicing) during rehearsals, then there'd be no need to boot someone off of an instrument.

I, for one, am NOT ministered to when folks are fumblin' with some song. The last thing I need to hear or see is someone trying to sing, 'Great is Thy faithfulness' and the musician or the singer is messin' it up; cause as a person who loves music, my whole mindset is going to be, "Why didn't they practice?"

[dcrosby]

what do you mean by "woodshed?"
If that is the case how is a young musician supposed to grow? Experience is the best teacher.

[Rjthakid]

what do you mean by "woodshed?"
If that is the case how is a young musician supposed to grow? Experience is the best teacher.

I agree that picking up songs on the spot is vital to learning how to play by ear.

I agree that Live Experience is more important that many people know/understand.

I DON'T agree that it's right to let someone EMBARASS him/herself by attempting to play a song they just don't know.  It's not ABOUT the musician.  It's about the LORD. 

Also, what about the poor soloist who has to endure this?  Is it fair to him/her to allow this person to RUIN their solo?

The focus of this thread is HYMNS.  If you've been playing for 2 years and you can't play "His Eye is on the Sparrow" or "What a friend we have in Jesus", do NOT pass Go, and do NOT collect $200.  Go sit on the naughty step and have a coke and a smile. 

Put that Tye CD and that Israel CD in the closet! 

Go back and get them after you've learned the basics.

 

[sjonathan02]

It's not ABOUT the musician.  It's about the LORD.
 

And, a BIG COSIGN to you, sir.

[iplaytheorgan2]

A woodshed is when musicians come together and have jam sessions but in the middle of those jam sessions there is instruction and learning.  Check out YouTube and look under Newark Gospel Sheds, there are clips of the sheds that go on at my church.  A couple of them are showing my brother-in-law giving a bass clinic.

Getting back to the subject, we all have to keep our minds fresh with the old and new, because in these days the worship service or a concert, could involve, worship, praise, traditional, urban, hymns, etc.  We just have to try our best to be prepared.  But you know, what?  Some of these soloists should stop singing songs that they know are not really familiar, especially when they are a guest and their musician is not with them!  What do you think about that?? 

[sjonathan02]

A woodshed is when musicians come together and have jam sessions but in the middle of those jam sessions there is instruction and learning.  Check out YouTube and look under Newark Gospel Sheds, there are clips of the sheds that go on at my church.  A couple of them are showing my brother-in-law giving a bass clinic.

Getting back to the subject, we all have to keep our minds fresh with the old and new, because in these days the worship service or a concert, could involve, worship, praise, traditional, urban, hymns, etc.  We just have to try our best to be prepared.  But you know, what?  Some of these soloists should stop singing songs that they know are not really familiar, especially when they are a guest and their musician is not with them!  What do you think about that?? 

I've been waiting for the singer vs keyboardist debate to get under way.

[iplaytheorgan2]

LOLOLOL!! It was bound to happen. 

[dcrosby]

Amen to that. Or if they do sing a song, pick one key and stay in it.

[Rjthakid]

Some of these soloists should stop singing songs that they know are not really familiar, especially when they are a guest and their musician is not with them!  What do you think about that?? 

"I'm gonna try and sing this song tonight.  Pick me up musicians...."

then she sings some obscure song buried in the back of the Hymn Book and gets an attitude when you don't play it perfectly.

[sjonathan02]

"I'm gonna try and sing this song tonight.  Pick me up musicians...."

then she sings some obscure song buried in the back of the Hymn Book and gets an attitude when you don't play it perfectly.

One of the reasons I have a problem with the 'I'm gonna sing or play what's on my heart' mind set.

[iplaytheorgan2]

You're absolutely right to feel that way.  Any wise singer or soloist will always try to sing something familiar, especially if they are not accompanied by their musician.  All the exceptional singers in this area, always sing something familiar, if their favorite organist or keyboard player is not in the room.  That's just wisdom.
 

[B3Wannabe]

I agree with both dcrosby and sjon.

Sometimes, a person will sing a song that you may not know, but if you listen to it the first time around, you may be able to pick it up. For me, sometimes these songs end up being the ones light the service on fire.

Other times, they'll sing a song, like rj stated, and expect you to know it. That's when I give them the supportive clap.

[T-Block]

I have a problem with that. Service is NOT the time for trying to figure out songs that are supposed to minister to God's people, IMHO. That's what rehearsals are for.

If musicians would spend more time in the 'woodshed' (meaning practicing) during rehearsals, then there'd be no need to boot someone off of an instrument.

I, for one, am NOT ministered to when folks are fumblin' with some song. The last thing I need to hear or see is someone trying to sing, 'Great is Thy faithfulness' and the musician or the singer is messin' it up; cause as a person who loves music, my whole mindset is going to be, "Why didn't they practice?"

You get a CO-SIGN and an AMEN for this one sjon!!!

[THE WOLFMAN]

"woodshed" was a term the ol' jazz cats used to use. Like said previously, it means to practice dilligently. These dayz, like iplay said, it's a gathering of musicians (jam) for instruction and learning: you'll have a ganglion of keys, drummers, gtrs, in a room following a pattern or chord progression, or a song, and elaborating on the theme. and there you get to try out different movements and chord changes, movements, and you can learn some new ways of playing.

this really aint nothin new, as this was commonplace in the height of the Jazz era.  It's just found a resurgence, i think.


o yeah. Hymns are good.(wanted 2 get back to subject.)

[THE WOLFMAN]

Ya'll talkin some truth up-in-here.  The old saying is "Humble is the Way".

Our shed is held at Revival Temple Center of Deliverance, 81-85 16th Ave., Newark, NJ, tomorrow at 9pm-until.  You're more than welcome.

JERSEY?

Ahhhhh BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.....all de way out there......

cant a brotha find a shed in NY?

[under13]

we need to get a shed goin in long island or nyc

i think churches should prepare the up n coming musicians and make sure the know all the hymns and old songs or at least put togather a CD of all the songs  of the church

[sjonathan02]

we need to get a shed goin in long island or nyc

i think churches should prepare the up n coming musicians and make sure the know all the hymns and old songs or at least put togather a CD of all the songs  of the church

Check out the late GE Patterson's CD. 

[ddw4e]

Check out the late GE Patterson's CD. 

Also check out Bishop Leonard Scott
Bishop Roland Brown
Pastor J.G. Wilson

They also do some gud ol' contree sanging!!

[iplaytheorgan2]

Thanks Wolfman for that lesson on the Woodshed.  I need to pass that history on to the musicians in Jersey.  Hey.... organize a shed in NYC and let me know.  We, in New Jersey would support.  We're just across the water... 

[iplaytheorgan2]

Thanks ddw4e and sjon.  I'm going to look for those cds.  I've Heard G.E. Paterson's CD.  The sound people at my church play it before services from time to time.  Those ole testamonial songs and hymns paved the way.