Will racism always exist?

[KevinP]

This is a spin-off from the 'Racism and religion' thread. Do you think racism/prejudice/discrimination will always exist? Do you think humanity is capable of overcoming this problem (like in the Star Trek universe), or will it always be around in some form or another?

Look at the Star Trek example for a minute. If aliens actually did contact us openly (meaning the government didn't hush it up), is it feasible that humans would put aside our differences and realise we're all in this together?

[Keys410]

Sadly, I think it will always be around.

[Furious Styles]

I hate I missed that thread but I think there are several factors that one must consider. Racism and Christianity go hand in hand due to the corruption of the modern church structure in the western world.

[Keys410]

I hate I missed that thread but I think there are several factors that one must consider. Racism and Christianity go hand in hand due to the corruption of the modern church structure in the western world.

I know you can go more in depth than that....I am at work for another 2 hours...Shaaaa'mmmoooon

[kadman92]

Sadly I will always be kept down by da man....

[Keys410]

Sadly I will always be kept down by da man....

Foreal!!! Wait a minute...I thought....Nevermind...HAHAHA....Only you man

[kadman92]

Foreal!!! Wait a minute...I thought....Nevermind...HAHAHA....Only you man

 

[THE WOLFMAN]

Sadly I will always be kept down by da man....

riiiiiiiight...

lemme guess.....one of your ancestors?


"emancipation? Freakin sweet!"

[kadman92]

riiiiiiiight...

lemme guess.....one of your ancestors?


"emancipation? Freakin sweet!"

Dude... someone had ta be black in my bloodline.  Ask anyone who knows me...LOL

now just to get my reparations....

[Keys410]

Dude... someone had ta be black in my bloodline.  Ask anyone who knows me...LOL

now just to get my reparations....

HAHAHAHA....Man I am over sleep and awake at the same time laughing at this...lol

[Furious Styles]

I read the publication that Kevin posted and it gave me plenty of amo to build for my book. Racism in our church structure is hardly even recognized because few of us have been exposed to historical accounts that shed light on this very sickening issue. In all fairness I understand people joking around but if the average american is asked this question, they'd probably say otherwise. To many of our church leaders seem to be happy with the status quo of passively being commited to social justice. I believe that social justice is the catalyst to spiritual freedom.

Notice how jesus feed the hungry, put clothes on the naked and healed the sick. Nowadays we think that we have done God and needy people a favor if we have helped them. The political conservatives of all races love to tout the personal responsibility spiel as their justification for not creating solutions that could help eleviate many of the social problems that plague society. Socioeconomic issues are starting to mirror racist tactics of yesteryear and today all to fast. The pursuit of wealth is more important than the pursuit of wealth.

This observation has caused my views to change dramtically in regards to the order and administration of the modern church. Loving our neighbor is the key ingredient in abolishing the vile order of race, class and socioeconomic inequality. Sadly many of our leaders will not take up this fight. This theology doesn't sell many tapes or books. Racism is profitable for many in high places. Those roots extends through the church all the way up to the highest level of American government. If one does an extensive search of American history, they will find shocking information that even will call into question the sanctity of our great society.

So for those of you who have found me as a malcontent please know that most of my views come from a well informed study of cultural and spiritual vices that have been at work longer than all of us on LGM have been breathing!! The rabbit hole is very deep. Sadly, most in American christendom aren't brave enough to ask obvious questions...

[sjonathan02]

riiiiiiiight...

lemme guess.....one of your ancestors?


"emancipation? Freakin sweet!"

PWWWWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Dude... someone had ta be black in my bloodline.  Ask anyone who knows me...LOL

now just to get my reparations....

TRUTH!!!


If he had more hair, he need Afro Sheen and a pick with the fist at the end of it.   

[sjonathan02]

Let me give you the quick and non-FS answer.

There's not enough agape love within our own culture. Racism will always be here because Black folk are scared of other Black folk. Period. If we can't or won't get ourselves together, then there's no reason for 'The Man' to fear us.

Truth is, 'The Man' fears us already, and we AREN'T unified. Until THAT happens, it really doesn't matter what they do in gubment (intentional). We continue to do it to ourselves.

'Nino Brown' said it best, 'Ain't no Uzis made in Harlem.' While that's true, WE don't need to use them, no matter how easily accessible they are to us. It's all a matter of choice.

I'll prove my case. FS IS going to disagree with my sentiments and we're BOTH intelligent, strong Black men. If we can't find a middle gound to address a problem that we BOTH can see, with all of our education, how can others, in our race who have less, be able to so?


If I can't talk to my neighbor, borrow a cup of sugar or discipline the kids in the neighborhood, like back in the day, then how can we ever think we'll be able to take on, 'The Man'.


My apologies, this came off more FS-like than I wanted it to.

[Furious Styles]

Sjon,

Your statements though heartfelt are much apart of the problem than they are the solution. The proverbial fix your own community garb doesn't do anything to solve social problems. The kingdom of GOD doesn't have those issues because God views everyone as equal. It's ok for people to disagree but what's not ok is to give up on each other because of different views. That is a microcosm of American society. There is a way to accurately diagnose the social ills of America without being top heavy on race. Socioeconomics and the plight of minority people in America can have some stunning similarities. SO how does this play into race? Good question. I'm glad you asked

Conservatives have become masters of seperating the to. Most Americans buy into Conservative rhetoric  by allowing the Christian faith to sell us misinformation regarding historical and cultural facts of race and class. The Protestant community likes to forget about the true orgins of racial supremacy in favor of appearing as an inclusive entity that has mended its ways. Conservative denominations among blacks drink the kool-aid thus producing the division we see that still exist to this day. Remarkably all of the social problems that plague Black America has footprints in other racial communities. Skewed media coverage and political rhetoric communicates otherwise.

So what we really have is a system that is fundamentally flawed. We like to call the elephant in the room a mouse when history is the antithesis. We view all humankind as equal and important if we are to fix our issues. Going at it alone in our own community corner will not work. Racism is a overt institution designed to control the mind of the opressed and those who think they are the master of the oppressed. Most of these types don't acknowledge that the Devil is their master. That's another part of the discussion.

[sjonathan02]

Sjon,

Your statements though heartfelt are much apart of the problem than they are the solution. The proverbial fix your own community garb doesn't do anything to solve social problems. The kingdom of GOD doesn't have those issues because God views everyone as equal. It's ok for people to disagree but what's not ok is to give up on each other because of different views. That is a microcosm of American society. There is a way to accurately diagnose the social ills of America without being top heavy on race. Socioeconomics and the plight of minority people in America can have some stunning similarities. SO how does this play into race? Good question. I'm glad you asked

Conservatives have become masters of seperating the to. Most Americans buy into Conservative rhetoric  by allowing the Christian faith to sell us misinformation regarding historical and cultural facts of race and class. The Protestant community likes to forget about the true orgins of racial supremacy in favor of appearing as an inclusive entity that has mended its ways. Conservative denominations among blacks drink the kool-aid thus producing the division we see that still exist to this day. Remarkably all of the social problems that plague Black America has footprints in other racial communities. Skewed media coverage and political rhetoric communicates otherwise.

So what we really have is a system that is fundamentally flawed. We like to call the elephant in the room a mouse when history is the antithesis. We view all humankind as equal and important if we are to fix our issues. Going at it alone in our own community corner will not work. Racism is a overt institution designed to control the mind of the opressed and those who think they are the master of the oppressed. Most of these types don't acknowledge that the Devil is their master. That's another part of the discussion.

See folks, I toldcha. That's our game, sports fans. Please tip your waiters and waitresses on your way out.

[sjonathan02]

Now that my joke is out of my system, let me dissect this rant.

Sjon,
The proverbial fix your own community garb doesn't do anything to solve social problems. The kingdom of GOD doesn't have those issues because God views everyone as equal.

So, YOU have been to the Kingdom of God? Tell us what it's like.

You mean to tell me that we should go after "The Man" first, THEN fix our flawed cultural mentality? Seems backwards to me.

There is a way to accurately diagnose the social ills of America without being top heavy on race. Socioeconomics and the plight of minority people in America can have some stunning similarities. SO how does this play into race?

You DO realize, don't you that, with this statement, you're talking out of both sides of your mouth?

Socioeconomics afflicts everyone, not just Blacks. There are plenty of white folks living in trailers due to their socioeconomic status. Poverty knows NO color as evidenced by your latter statement:

Remarkably all of the social problems that plague Black America has footprints in other racial communities. Skewed media coverage and political rhetoric communicates otherwise.

BTW, it's not THAT remarkable.

We view all humankind as equal and important if we are to fix our issues.

Who's the we in this sentence?

Going at it alone in our own community corner will not work.

If you don't, won't or can't convince those, for whom you are fighting, that they themselves are IN a fight, then progress towards your end goal can't be achieved. Remember the old adage, 'There's strength in numbers.'

Gotta go deal with some gang activity in my school. I'll holla lata!

[BBoy]

The love of GOD is more powerful, much more powerful than anything the devil would ever, could ever come up with. Hoever, agape is something we have to allow to rule in our hearts, we have to give ourselves over to agape.

So racism will exist until people, individually first and then corporately, allow the love of GOD to constrain them (II Cor Chapter 5).

It's like the exchange between Jesus and Peter. Jesus asked Peter "Peter, do you agape Me?" Peter said, "Lord You know I love you," but he didn't use the word agape. Peter was acknowledging that he truly loved Jesus (fond, brotherly type of love), but in his human nature he knew from experience that his love might fall short.

There are political, social and economic advantages to being in the ruling group, whatever ruling group that may be. Many times it is easy to say "Yes, brother, I know I love you (friendship, fondness, maybe even a brotherly type love)." But when Christian love is going to cost us something . . .

when we minorities are called Uncle Toms and sell-outs for going to predominantly white churches that we feel led to go to and using our gifts there, instead of predominantly minority churches and using our gifts there . . . . . 

when non-minorities experience pressure or alienation from other whites and they know it is because they openly and transparently love and accept and affirm everyone regardless of race . . . .

When Christian love costs us something . . . .

Then many people back down and say, "You know I love you." But the word isn't agape.

But I must also agree with some of the previous posters. Many times we minorities have been taught to fight among ourselves, to hate ourselves. Many times we take down so as not to ruffle other minority feathers. GAME OVER FOR THAT! In the words of Co-Pastor Susie Owens, "You'd better act like there is something to you!"

Just my 2 cents . . . . .

[sjonathan02]

The love of GOD is more powerful, much more powerful than anything the devil would ever, could ever come up with. Hoever, agape is something we have to allow to rule in our hearts, we have to give ourselves over to agape.

So racism will exist until people, individually first and then corporately, allow the love of GOD to constrain them (II Cor Chapter 5).

It's like the exchange between Jesus and Peter. Jesus asked Peter "Peter, do you agape Me?" Peter said, "Lord You know I love you," but he didn't use the word agape. Peter was acknowledging that he truly loved Jesus (fond, brotherly type of love), but in his human nature he knew from experience that his love might fall short.

There are political, social and economic advantages to being in the ruling group, whatever ruling group that may be. Many times it is easy to say "Yes, brother, I know I love you (friendship, fondness, maybe even a brotherly type love)." But when Christian love is going to cost us something . . .

when we minorities are called Uncle Toms and sell-outs for going to predominantly white churches that we feel led to go to and using our gifts there, instead of predominantly minority churches and using our gifts there . . . . . 

when non-minorities experience pressure or alienation from other whites and they know it is because they openly and transparently love and accept and affirm everyone regardless of race . . . .

When Christian love costs us something . . . .

Then many people back down and say, "You know I love you." But the word isn't agape.

But I must also agree with some of the previous posters. Many times we minorities have been taught to fight among ourselves, to hate ourselves. Many times we take down so as not to ruffle other minority feathers. GAME OVER FOR THAT! In the words of Co-Pastor Susie Owens, "You'd better act like there is something to you!"

Just my 2 cents . . . . .

A TO DA MEN!!!  COSIGN!!! I AGREE!!!
Anyway you wanna say it, I'm feelin' you, BBoy! 

[B3Wannabe]

What is racism?


I thought we were living in the Star Trek universe!

[PianoWizard]

Sadly, I think it will always be around.

DITTO. I feel that it will always be around because racism is nothing but bigotry, prejudice, violence, oppression, stereotyping or discrimination based on ones race. Simply put it's making fun of a person(s) differences based on race, and this can happen anywhere and at anytime which is why there are so many types of racism such as "Institutional racism", "Racial discrimination", "Scientific racism" and many more. To completely get rid of racisim as a whole everyone would have to be the same.

PianoWiz...