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Re: WHAT CAN YOU SAY WOW
« Reply #20 on: June 11, 2007, 02:07:46 PM »
I understand that everyone's kidding around here, but to give my honest opinion: Prince "can be" and amazing guitarist, but this vid didn't showcase any of that.

He's simply playing regurgitated licks form early ZZ Top and mild Hendrix stuff. Simple blues scales there, guys, that's all.

Nothin' fancy--well, except for that killer phone he's selling (lol)  ;)

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Re: WHAT CAN YOU SAY WOW
« Reply #21 on: June 11, 2007, 02:37:12 PM »
I think that prince would get more recognition if he influenced more artists.

IMHO I think he's a great musician.

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Re: WHAT CAN YOU SAY WOW
« Reply #22 on: June 11, 2007, 02:40:37 PM »
I understand that everyone's kidding around here, but to give my honest opinion: Prince "can be" and amazing guitarist, but this vid didn't showcase any of that.

He's simply playing regurgitated licks form early ZZ Top and mild Hendrix stuff. Simple blues scales there, guys, that's all.

Nothin' fancy--well, except for that killer phone he's selling (lol)  ;)

i agree JayP - and as evidence I am trying to post a clip I have of his performance at the 2004 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame with Jeff Lynch and Tom Petty doing "While My Guitar Gently Weeps" by George Harrison (One of my favorite songs of all time). Prince has a reaaaaally nice (don't want to anger anyone by using "great" or "awesome"  ::) ) solo at the end.

I know Rown's seen this clip, but I was going to post it and dedicate it to Rown before this Prince madness jumped off! Don't know if it'd be wise now  :-[

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Re: WHAT CAN YOU SAY WOW
« Reply #23 on: June 11, 2007, 03:00:00 PM »
Don't forget the SuperBowl either, man he was playin!
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Re: WHAT CAN YOU SAY WOW
« Reply #24 on: June 11, 2007, 03:16:04 PM »
Melrhyne! believe me.....I was merely having fun with the other posters. believe you me, I have FULL appreciation for the forefathers of guitar, and could walk you through some of its history of it from Charley Patton to Son House to Robert Johnson to Django Reinhart to Charlie Christian to Wes Montgomery to McLaughlin to Muddy to Buddy to Berry to Holly to Beck to Clapton to Page to Jimi to King (BB, Freddie, Albert, Little Jimmy, etc.) to SRV to Santana to Van Halen to Kenny Wayne Shepherd to  Lang and on and on and on and all those in between whose names are lesser known. I've done a bit of homework over the past few years.

Forgive me if you thought I was committing sacrilege but I was not, I promise. :'(. Just having fun with the guys ;)

What was wrong with me this morning??? Anyway, sorry for coming off as some "know thy history" professor. I didn't mean anything by it!!! Seems to me like you know the deal...Three days of the baby not sleeping, will make someone cranky! ;D

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Re: WHAT CAN YOU SAY WOW
« Reply #25 on: June 11, 2007, 04:30:10 PM »
What was wrong with me this morning??? Anyway, sorry for coming off as some "know thy history" professor. I didn't mean anything by it!!! Seems to me like you know the deal...Three days of the baby not sleeping, will make someone cranky! ;D

no, no, no, no problem at all!! i am just thankful there is a site where we can have "guitar talk". hate tryin to talk to someone about music and they look atcha like they could care less, lol. here, even if we don't like certain things or artists, at least we still know about them.

especially this being a Christian community, we are better able to have "Agreeable Disagreements". not everyone likes/feels/or plays the same, but our respect for each other and the music is not (at least should not) be affected.

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Re: WHAT CAN YOU SAY WOW
« Reply #26 on: June 11, 2007, 04:37:20 PM »
lol, ya'll are trippin......

but again, when we call someone "great" or "amazing" you have to think of context. think of all the guitar players that are out there.......when you say someone is on that level you have to be careful. just because someone is talented and makes cool music and has a great persona doesn't make them great guitar players. now, i'm speaking in general terms here. there are plenty of really good guitar players that make good music that aren't "amazing" guitarists. they can play good notes, have good phrasing, and i appreciate what they do, but what they play might not make my jaws hit the floor as a guitarist.......this is how i DO dell about Prince. He's a great muscian and showman, is very versatile, and really is a very good guitar player.....but he's never played one note that made me do a double-take.....that's not knocking him, because my guess is his goal is to make music, not make guitar wankers get happy. if he wanted to blow you away with his guitar playing, maybe he could, i don't know.....but that's where i'm coming from. ya'll think i'm trying to disrespect the guy and i'm not trying to do that at all. i think the issue is i've listened to so much guitar oriented music, it takes alot for a guitar player to blow me away.

so please, relax, i'm not attacking Prince the great, just stating an opinion (and a fairly informed on at that), not trying to convince you that one of your heroes sucks or anything.

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Re: WHAT CAN YOU SAY WOW
« Reply #27 on: June 11, 2007, 07:57:18 PM »
I don't play the guitar-as-a-competition game any more.

There is no "best", there's just your favorites...the folks you like...'cause every time you think you've found "the best", there'll be someone else that comes along or that you've never heard of who, for lack of better words, smokes that person...but the bottom line is that this is not what music is about.

It's not about being better than somebody. It's not about being "the best" because that's unattainable.

It's about being able to communicate with your instrument and maybe say something unique that only you can say. The mere possibility that someone else besides yourself hears it and might dig it is a bonus. When that happens we can feel blessed that we've touched someone in some special way...that God would design us and give us abilities to do that is amazing, yes?

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Re: WHAT CAN YOU SAY WOW
« Reply #28 on: June 11, 2007, 11:30:49 PM »
            I never said,anything was great about the video ?/?
            I never said, he was the best :-\
            I never said,the licks he playing were hard.
            Lets take a look at music today.
            Rock is dead.Thank GOD
            R&B is terrible
            Rap,PLEASE :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
The one thing about him, that impress me the most.Has nothing to do with music.He is very much into the WORD.He is on tour,over-seas.He said,he will only do a 21 city tour,because he got to have time to STUDY THE BIBLE.NOTICE I DID NOT SAY READ.You do not read the bible you study.Even though one time in his career,he was on the edge,i have never heard NOTHING negative about him.(anybody,ever heard of M.Jackson?)You remember when people argue,who was the best between Prince and Mike.Well Prince won.Like him or not.he is at a level that no-one on this site will ever reach.Like i said,he not for everybody.But we all are guitar player,he is at a level we all can shoot for.That way we all can get better.You set your goals high. And,he is way up there.Like him or not.I like to ask ,everyone a question,If Prince was starting a gopel band,and ask you to play in his band,how many would say no.God is not about confusion,as men of God,we must learn to agree to dis-agree.No, he is not the best,but i just look at him,and his life,a true man of GOD,I can help but to truly admire him,look up to him,and to set my goal to be as great as him.Yes i said GREAT.That my final word,and i am sticking to it. ;) ;) BE BLESSED,PLEASE lets get back to the guitar stuff :P

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Re: WHAT CAN YOU SAY WOW
« Reply #29 on: June 11, 2007, 11:47:08 PM »
no doubt the man is talented, but there is nothing in that video that is anything special....
Hey jlynnb1,i am getting a web cam soon.Would you like to go head to head,trading licks,Yea bro;just you an me.I am calling you out on this.So now what you do.I am waiting.  :P :P :P :P

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Re: WHAT CAN YOU SAY WOW
« Reply #30 on: June 12, 2007, 02:36:22 AM »
isn't Prince a Jehovah's Witness??

and I've learned my lesson, I'll never give my opinion on a guitar player again....they are all great.

i don't know how else to say it, i wasn't trying to convince anyone that Prince wasn't good, i said over and over that he is a very good guitar player.......i don't know where you see that i'm implying that he sucks or something, because it's not there. i actually gave him a higher compliment than saying he was an amazing guitarist, i said he was an amazing MUSICIAN, which is what we are all hopefully striving to be.

lesson learned though LGM, lesson learned.

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Re: WHAT CAN YOU SAY WOW
« Reply #31 on: June 12, 2007, 05:50:03 AM »
isn't Prince a Jehovah's Witness??


Last I heard, yes.
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Re: WHAT CAN YOU SAY WOW
« Reply #32 on: June 12, 2007, 06:04:37 AM »
Last I heard, yes.

yeah, that's what i thought.....

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Re: WHAT CAN YOU SAY WOW
« Reply #33 on: June 12, 2007, 06:06:03 AM »
and Rock is far from dead....it's actually more popular now than it has been since in a long time. guitar driven music is probably more prevalent than ever.

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Re: WHAT CAN YOU SAY WOW
« Reply #34 on: June 12, 2007, 10:03:19 AM »
and Rock is far from dead....it's actually more popular now than it has been since in a long time. guitar driven music is probably more prevalent than ever.

Yes, and in my view of things the guitar solo is making a comeback in modern rock.
One of my students listens to what I guess is called "screamo"...'80s style metal with emo/screaming vocals...and the solos in the songs by these bands could have been plucked right out of a hair-metal tune.

Crazy.
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Re: WHAT CAN YOU SAY WOW
« Reply #35 on: June 12, 2007, 10:07:35 AM »
isn't Prince a Jehovah's Witness??

and I've learned my lesson, I'll never give my opinion on a guitar player again....they are all great.

i don't know how else to say it, i wasn't trying to convince anyone that Prince wasn't good, i said over and over that he is a very good guitar player.......i don't know where you see that i'm implying that he sucks or something, because it's not there. i actually gave him a higher compliment than saying he was an amazing guitarist, i said he was an amazing MUSICIAN, which is what we are all hopefully striving to be.

lesson learned though LGM, lesson learned.


Now,it takes a TRUE man,of GOD to say that.We all learn from this site,and one another.Peace,and i am throwing in the white flag.But,i will NOT post anything else on PRINCE ;D   GOD IS NOT ABOUT CONFUSION

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Re: WHAT CAN YOU SAY WOW
« Reply #36 on: June 12, 2007, 01:59:57 PM »
Now,it takes a TRUE man,of GOD to say that.We all learn from this site,and one another.Peace,and i am throwing in the white flag.But,i will NOT post anything else on PRINCE ;D   GOD IS NOT ABOUT CONFUSION

i don't think anyone should have to refrain from posting something about anything......we should all just chill when their opinion is different from ours. We shouldn't be defensive when someone has a different view......it will be a rare occasion when everyone will agree on everything......especially on an internet discussion forum.

like i said, i never meant any harm, was just expressing my feelings. i know it always seems like i have something to say about Prince.....but he's really the only guitarist that is talked about that i'm not crazy about. that being said, Derek TGrucks doesn't do that much for me either.......so bring it on JAYP!!  ;D

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Re: WHAT CAN YOU SAY WOW
« Reply #37 on: June 12, 2007, 02:25:04 PM »
i don't think anyone should have to refrain from posting something about anything......we should all just chill when their opinion is different from ours. We shouldn't be defensive when someone has a different view......it will be a rare occasion when everyone will agree on everything......especially on an internet discussion forum.

like i said, i never meant any harm, was just expressing my feelings. i know it always seems like i have something to say about Prince.....but he's really the only guitarist that is talked about that i'm not crazy about. that being said, Derek TGrucks doesn't do that much for me either.......so bring it on JAYP!!  ;D

Blasphemy!!!   >:(

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Yes, we should all be free to state our opinion on someone or something if it's done in a non-derogatory manner.
There's a HUGE difference between someone saying "I don't care for his playing" or "It does nothing for me" and them saying "He sucks!".
Far as I can tell, no one said "he sucks" anywhere in this thread or others.

Regarding Prince, I haven't listened to much of what he's done over the decades other than the hits and a few live tunes that a friend/fan used to share with me and from all I've heard I get little from it except the guitar he laid down in Stevie Wonder's "What the Fuss" tune...for as seemingly simple as his guitar sounds in that tune, it just speaks to me and I dig it.
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Re: WHAT CAN YOU SAY WOW
« Reply #38 on: June 12, 2007, 02:29:46 PM »
Blasphemy!!!   >:(

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Yes, we should all be free to state our opinion on someone or something if it's done in a non-derogatory manner.
There's a HUGE difference between someone saying "I don't care for his playing" or "It does nothing for me" and them saying "He sucks!".
Far as I can tell, no one said "he sucks" anywhere in this thread or others.

Regarding Prince, I haven't listened to much of what he's done over the decades other than the hits and a few live tunes that a friend/fan used to share with me and from all I've heard I get little from it except the guitar he laid down in Stevie Wonder's "What the Fuss" tune...for as seemingly simple as his guitar sounds in that tune, it just speaks to me and I dig it.

absolutely, and that is what i was trying to say. looking at him from a music standpoint, he's amazing. when i start judging someone from a guitar standpoint, i am probably a bit of snob, and compare them to all the guys i think are amazing guitar-players....it's tough for anyone to measure up to that.

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Re: WHAT CAN YOU SAY WOW
« Reply #39 on: June 12, 2007, 02:47:33 PM »
like i said, i never meant any harm, was just expressing my feelings. i know it always seems like i have something to say about Prince.....but he's really the only guitarist that is talked about that i'm not crazy about. that being said, Derek TGrucks doesn't do that much for me either.......so bring it on JAYP!!  ;D

 >:( >:( >:( I just googled your address, and I'll be on the road in less than 15 minutes. Son, in 14 hours, be ready to duck...

I'm kidding  ;)

I was about to bring up that point. There are a lot of musicians that I think are great, but it doesn't mean that everyone will agree. I do enjoy spreading the awareness for anyone that will care, but if not, oh well.

I've never been able to REALLY dig into Vai, Satch, and all those guys, so, we all have our picks.

But I'm still coming down there to put you in your place. Get the prayer warriors ready, you'll need some healin' when we're done...  ;D ;D ;D

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