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Where did we go wrong????
« on: March 08, 2005, 03:08:30 PM »
I was just sitting down thinking "Where did we go wrong" because:

-when I was in grade school, it was "cool" to sit in the back of the bus
-we continue to eat pork chops, scrapple and chitlands like they are the greatest meal in the world
-now that we can get an education alot of people don't even want it
-we conplain, but dont vote
-we dont submit to authority because it is "cool" to do what we want when we want it

How can we fix this???
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« Reply #1 on: March 08, 2005, 03:24:35 PM »
Be able to give your child a good spanking without some nutjob calling the popo for child abuse 8O   When I was bad as a child my butt got tore up.  And ya know what I didn't do whatever it was again.

SPARE THE ROD SPOIL THE CHILD

Also spend more time "PARENTING" instead of letting television babysit our children.  Most of the time if we control what they do they turn out better.  The kids in my neighborhood have too much freedom.  5 years old and younger unsupervised playing down the street from their house in the alley.

Kids today are out of control and don't listen to any authority.....

and before anyone says "NOT MY KIDS" I'm referring to the ones that ARE out of control, not the small percentage that have values and respect elders.

I vote... so that issue aint with me.

I like pork chops, but can't get with those chiterlings and scrapple.  I'll save those for Dom....

I say make uniforms mandatory in school... that way it aint no fashion show.. and your kid wont get shot by someone stealing thier shoes or whatever overpriced namebrand item they may want.

I personally hate the way my oldest wants to dress.  I despise this pant crotch down to the knees, t-shirts so long "I" could wear them.   Walking around looking like their Homeless.  I hate this HIP HOP mentality

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Where did we go wrong????
« Reply #2 on: March 08, 2005, 05:27:38 PM »
4hisglory ---

The attached article was just submitted for  re-publishing  in this month's issue of Gospel Connections Magazine, a local mag here in the metropolitan Detroit Area.  I had to blow the dust off of it to address some of the questions you asked in your post as well as to help me and many others understand the lack of parental control over today's youth, especially in the church.

It's quite lengthy but you may find it interesting.  So for those who choose to read here it is:



In February, 1988, the Lord placed a burden in my spirit in reference to the young people of that era.  What I saw, at that time, was a generation being raised with little to no spiritual guidance.  Inappropriate behavior met with little to no consequences.  Even the more in this day.   Oh we are in church, religiously.  Our children are there too; but somehow, somewhere the application of the gospel was lost.  Something happened from the pew to the parlor of homes across this nation.  Over the years, great Men of God have risen and birthed great ministries.  Many have wonderful Youth Outreach programs; but we’re still not where we should be!  The church is not the training ground for our young people – training still begins at home.

17 years later, this article is yet relevant; even more so with the onslaught of cell phones, designer clothes, hootchie videos, television, that has systematically lowered its’ standards over time—and aahh yes, the Internet.  Many of these conveniences were not around in 1988, at least not to the magnitude they are today; and we as parents, have let the enemy slowly manipulate his way inside our homes, and into the hearts of our children.  Purposefully?  I think not, but his presence is there just the same.  I could give you “lack of knowledge” scriptures and “satan’s devices” scriptures, but you already know those, in your head.  

As difficult a job as parenting is, we have a tendency to want to appease our children, to not offend or upset them, we want to be their friend.  We want to show that we’re cool.  But all the “cool” in the world won’t help if they hip hop their behinds straight to hell!  


So, after a bit of editing and updating, 17 years later I once again, pose the question:


                            When Did we Lose Control?


The decision to have a child, is one which is not always given much thought.  Oh, we may wonder about the expense involved, the sleepless nights we’ll have, if we’ll have a boy or girl, and if you’re the mom, whether you’ll get stretch marks etc., but very little consideration is given to the type of parent you’ll be.  However, once we become a parent, it is a lifelong job and an awesome responsibility.

Being a parent is complicated, and in a society in which single parenting, and/or both parents working outside of the home is the norm, the task doesn’t become much easier.
Parenthood, however, is the single most important responsibility we’ll have in our lives, and it must be entered with a willing heart and a prayerful spirit, for the attitudes we project to our children, are the key in molding generations to come.

So many of us place great emphasis on our home, cars, wardrobe, and furthering our careers, but we neglect to realize, the time and values we invest in our children, far outweigh the material gains we acquire, for our children are our future—our legacy.

The problems, which exist among today’s children and in our families, have reached epidemic proportions. They stem from a variety of circumstances, but the nucleus of the problem remains the same – lack of discipline, supervision, Christian guidance and foundation, and the need for a solution is long overdue.

Our children are being raised in an environment of hate, poverty, low self-esteem, jealousy, envy and unappreciative greed.  Aggression and hostility are on the rise.  Recent studies indicate, today’s youth are more violent, than in any period of American History.

Unfortunately, the school systems, television media or any other media typically chosen blameworthy, are not the problem.  Before our children reach the schools, or the remote control, the pattern of ambiguous behavior has already been set – by the parent.

We are under siege, by a plague of spiritual and emotional maladjustment.  Our local and national newspapers are filled daily with family related tragedies:  Father knifes daughter, Son bludgeons, mother, Sister strangles brother, Brother shoots sister, Husband poisons Wife, Wife dismembers husband, I think you get the picture!  

I don’t need to remind you of the many school massacres which have occurred in the past few years.  When the parents were asked, if they were still alive, about their children, their personality, their routines or where the kids got the guns, ammunition etc.  they usually replied  “He’s always been a good boy” ,  “very quiet kept to himself,” or “we had no idea our child was involved in these activities.”

These incidents are not the result of someone’s morbid imagination – they’re true accounts, events which are occurring everyday.  Children are killing children, Parents are killing Children, Children are killing Parents, and Parents are killing each other!

Don’t bother to look for the pattern to explain this type of madness – there is none. A plaque such as this has no barrier of race, culture or geographical location, and a many are deceived, believing problems like this won’t present themselves in our own families.  You may ask When did we lose control?  Where does it end?

Control was lost when we stopped fearing God, and forgot about love and respect for our fellow man.  We lost control when the phrase “I need” turned to “I’ve got to have”.  We’ve been out of control since the value system vanished from the midst of our families, replaced with a hip hop culture that glorifies violence and the thug life, and is infamous for the lack of respect toward “females”.  

Where does it END? It doesn’t  -- until we BEGIN to right the wrongs established by ineffective parenting practices; in our own homes – with our own children.  

Today, children are literally raising themselves, without the guidance and appropriate training of their parents.  Why? Maybe the parent wasn’t properly corrected through discipline as a child, or perhaps an oath was taken “ I promise, once I have kids, I will not make the same “mistakes” my parents made with me” Whatever the reason, the adversity in leadership surrounding our children must cease.

Proverbs 13:24 admonishes, “He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him, chasteneth him early.  Now how did we get that mixed up!  The bible is clear on this scripture but someway we’ve changed the meaning.  Today’s society has made us afraid to invoke the necessary discipline required to raise children to become healthy, well-rounded, and spiritually strong individuals.

The inadequacy of authority in our homes, is the breeding ground for the disrespectful attitudes children develop toward authority outside of the home.

The fifth Commandment clearly states, “ Honor thy Father and thy Mother that thy days may be long upon this earth, which the Lord thy God giveth thee”.  This is the first commandment with promise, however there is a condition which must be met.  If the child does not honor the father and the mother their days will not be long.  When we allow our children to disrespect and disobey our God-Given authority, we’re actually contributing to the shortening of their lives.

We’re spoiling our children with materialism and permissiveness.  Webster defines “spoil”:  “ to damage seriously; to decay or waste away” and it’s Quite AParent, from the headlines we read today, that our children and our families are seriously damaged, they’re decaying, wasting away – they’re dying.

Our children must be taught the distinct difference between quality of living (standards), and quality of life.  But it’s a lesson we, as parents, first must learn.  Most of our kids, not all, but a vast majority, are walking around with lights in their shoes; and seemingly nothing in their heads.
When did we lose control?

Dr. James Dobson, author of several books on the family and host of the radio program “Focus on the Family” points out “All human behavior is learned, whether it is desirable or undesirable.”  The behavior we’re teaching our children will follow them throughout life.

The presence or lack of self-control, in an adult’s life can usually be traced to the home in which they were raised.  Little wonder some boys grow up to be men, unable to fulfill their responsibilities to provide for their families, and be not surprised when you hear of a woman who can’t handle the duties of her household – probable cause --there was no positive pattern developed during childhood.

Just as we “drill” our children in learning their ABC’s, counting to 10 and beyond, walking or any of the other foundational things we teach them; the same unwavering efforts must be applied, in setting the spiritual standards for their lives.

 A lot of parents think it’s entertaining when their 2 year old is mimicking a video, dancing prancing, jerking and sherking, not so cute when she’s pregnant at 12 (true occurrence).

It’s time we do away with the old double standard – Do as I say, not as I do.  This indicates the lack of discipline and self-control in our own lives,  is transmitted to the child, thereby negating all possibility of establishing and maintaining firm control.

Parents have an odd way of “explaining” away their childrens’ smart alecky behavior.  If you tolerate little Johnny using words he shouldn’t, or are used to back talk from little Jane, or you soothe little Mikey’s tantrums with a snack, it will be difficult for these children to understand why they shouldn’t do these things in church, on your next shopping trip, or if Bishop Pastor comes to visit.

We blush and say things like “he’s so grown, he must have been here before”, or “she’s just going through a phase,” and how many times have you said “he’s o.k. he’ll grow out of it.”

If you feel bright, 3 year old Johnny is grown enough to form, understand, and say bad words, then he’s grown enough to understand not to do it!  The talking back phase exhibited by little Jane will not pass, but will become a defense mechanism, and her way of dealing with others in life.  And no, little Mikey won’t grow out of  “taking bribes”, but will grow into years of inherent confusion believing wrong is right and right is wrong.

“Chasten thy son while there is hope and let not thy soul spare for his crying”.  (Prov. 19:18)

There are various translations to help us understand this potent verse of scripture, but I believe the Criswell Study Bible interprets it best:  “Leaving a child to himself is to show cruel indifference to the precious life committed to parental care.  It is better for the child to cry under the rod of loving and consistent correction than that the parent should later cry over their permissive and neglectful discipline.”

It’s time we grasp the revelation that defiant and unacceptable behavior from our children should not be rewarded and is not cute.  It must be dealt with early, very early, and in a manner where it will not repeat itself – immediately – while there is hope.

Children seek strong and positive role models.  Before they look elsewhere, they will look to us; and we must show strength and stability in character.  They need to learn and understand basic Christian morals and apply them to their lives daily.

God’s word says, “If you bring up a child in the way that he should go he will not depart from it when he is old”.  (Prov 22:6.) We understand the significance in establishing commitment and discipline in our children, eradicating complacency and dissent.

Children are a vital part of our lives present and future, and we’re currently developing a number of teaching series  to assist parents and parents-to-be, equipping them with the necessary tools to guide their children towards a peaceful, meaningful and productive life.

God has provided a blueprint for our lives – The Bible.  In it, includes the proper way to raise our children but it’s up to us to first read, then apply His directions to our children’s lives.

Raising a child is not child’s play, and we’re genuinely concerned with the mental, emotional and spiritual development of today’s children – tomorrow’s adults, for the schools nor the streets; not even the church will train our children in the things which are morally and spiritually correct, that job requires – Quite AParent!


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Re: Where did we go wrong????
« Reply #3 on: July 06, 2007, 12:26:09 PM »
I was searching for something else, and found this from two years ago.....are we still going wrong??
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Re: Where did we go wrong????
« Reply #4 on: July 06, 2007, 12:29:10 PM »
I was searching for something else, and found this from two years ago.....are we still going wrong??


And gettin' worse. :-\
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Re: Where did we go wrong????
« Reply #5 on: July 06, 2007, 12:37:04 PM »
Hey, please don't bash pork chops cuz I love em.

We went wrong by taking prayer out of the school.  My dad always says once you take God out, the devil immediately steps in and wreaks havoc.
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Re: Where did we go wrong????
« Reply #6 on: July 06, 2007, 12:45:41 PM »
I don't think that was the problem. Bad kids were around when prayer was in public schools. They're in the private schools where they pray everyday too. The problem is that parents aren't parenting. It all starts in the home.
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Re: Where did we go wrong????
« Reply #7 on: July 06, 2007, 12:49:05 PM »
I don't think that was the problem. Bad kids were around when prayer was in public schools. They're in the private schools where they pray everyday too. The problem is that parents aren't parenting. It all starts in the home.

I believe that's the problem with the school system. Kids are gonna be bad anyways because they're kids.

But, I do agree that it does start at home.  Parents are getting younger and younger.
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Re: Where did we go wrong????
« Reply #8 on: July 06, 2007, 01:12:58 PM »
Responsibility and accountability have gone out the window, as well.   There's always a medical defect or chemical imbalance or terrible home environment to justify unacceptable behavior. 

I heard a lady say a while ago that the teachers are scared of the principal, the principal's scared of the school district the school district is scared of the parents... and the parents at long last are scared of the children, the children in turn aren't afraid of anyone or anything.

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« Reply #9 on: July 06, 2007, 01:53:29 PM »
***Warning: This is my DEEP post for the day***

Man's downward spiral is inevitable.  It cannot be stopped.

I believe it is only the prayers of the Saints and our presence here that keeps this planet from collapsing under the weight of it's own depravity and sinfulness.

We must pray to keep this world together.

We must pray for the sakes of our children & grandchildren.

We must pray for the unsaved.  Some of them will receive Christ....MOST will not.

We can only walk before the Lord uprightly, and instruct our children to do the same......

But the world will not be better tomorrow than it is today.

Why do I say this?

Matthew 24:3-14

 3And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

 4And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

 5For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

 6And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

 7For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.

 8All these are the beginning of sorrows.

 9Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

 10And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.

 11And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

 12And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.

 13But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

 14And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.


Why are things getting worse? 

Allow me to play amateur philosopher.   ;)

It dates back to the days of Adam and Eve.  Once they ate the fruit, they died....but the death the Lord spoke of was not an event, but rather a PROCESS.

Adam and Eve lived for many, many years.  For a period of time man lived for over 800 years.  Man's lifespan began to slowly dwindle.

This is because, as I said, the death the Lord spoke of was a PROCESS.  Even today, each generation is one more generation removed from Adam, who enjoyed a state of perfect bliss with The Lord.

Therefore every generation is that much more prone to evil and spiritual indifference.

Every generation is that much more likely show zero respect to God and His people.

Every generation is that much more prone to commit unspeakable acts of violence and hate.

Our hope, and the light at the end of our tunnel is that the Lord will take us out of this World once it gets bad enough.  But He'll leave us here as long as He can, because WE are the ones to witness to unbelievers, and we are the ones to lead them to Him.

So to answer 4's question (albeit a few years late) we didn't really do anything wrong.  These things must happen before the end comes.

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Re: Where did we go wrong????
« Reply #10 on: July 06, 2007, 01:56:54 PM »
Not enough praying.....

No more Old Mothers....

Too many Young Parents.....and young grandparents....

Parents wanna be friends to their kids...instead of parents....
The kids got friends in school....they need parents at home... ;)

Kids have too many rights......
Kids should have some rights....
but when kids start Divorcing their parents...its gone way too far.
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Re: Where did we go wrong????
« Reply #11 on: July 06, 2007, 02:00:46 PM »
Not enough praying.....

No more Old Mothers....

Too many Young Parents.....and young grandparents....

Parents wanna be friends to their kids...instead of parents....
The kids got friends in school....they need parents at home... ;)

Kids have too many rights......
Kids should have some rights....
but when kids start Divorcing their parents...its gone way too far.


now thats a trooth.

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Re: Where did we go wrong????
« Reply #12 on: July 06, 2007, 02:04:19 PM »
Sorry, but the problem isn't the children. The problem is the parents.

It is sad, but I remember once meeting the children of some friends of mine from church. They had three . . . two girls and a little boy. The children were so well-behaved; never interrupted adults talking, smiled, said "Hello" when they came up to you, and from then on referred to ladies as "Yes, ma'am, No ma'am" or brothers as "Yes, sir, No, sir."

You may be saying to yourself, Bboy, you said something was sad. That sounds wonderful. What was so sad?

The sad thing is that I was surprised. Looking at those little delightful children, I was like  :o  I was expecting some little trouble-raising scoundrels. It is sad when it has become so bad that the well-raised children surprise you, and we expect little trouble-makers!
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« Reply #13 on: July 06, 2007, 02:14:51 PM »
Sorry, but the problem isn't the children. The problem is the parents.

So true! Today parents are giving their kids quality and quantity tangible things--shoes, clothes, etc. What kids really need is a balance of quality AND quanity time.

I didn't have a cell phone as a kid....nor do mine.
I didn't have all of the latest clothes.....nor do mine
I didn't have every electronic gadget that hit the market...nor do mine.

You know what, I think I turned out okay, and my kids aren't doing bad themselves.

I think we had to do without so much when we were young that we decided to give our kids the best of everything. The problem is, we forgot they need eternal things so much more than temporal things.

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« Reply #14 on: July 06, 2007, 02:28:17 PM »
I'm glad you said something I didn't want to start a topic about this but.....

Yesterday when coming back to work I was walking to my car and I see this guy and his son. His son did something so he took the kids bike...this pudgy kid spit at him. This kid started screaming and yelling, the father keeps it moving. The boy gets up grabs a nice size stick and throws it at the car next to mines. I was like "Whoa, he just threw a stick at that car" the father asked if was mines...I'm like no.(If it was mines yall would have heard that kid screaming from where yall was at). He starts walking towards the kid and says come here the boy says no and takes off running. I have to admit this is kind of amusing at this point cause if it was me I would have killed that boy. He gets near this boy and the kid yells out "No, you mother cookie". I'm like dang I would have gotten beat all the way back to the house. So they walk in the house and I don't think anything happened cause when I got home he was outside on that bike.

Just said how things are falling apart.
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« Reply #15 on: July 06, 2007, 02:33:57 PM »
I'm glad you said something I didn't want to start a topic about this but.....

Yesterday when coming back to work I was walking to my car and I see this guy and his son. His son did something so he took the kids bike...this pudgy kid spit at him. This kid started screaming and yelling, the father keeps it moving. The boy gets up grabs a nice size stick and throws it at the car next to mines. I was like "Whoa, he just threw a stick at that car" the father asked if was mines...I'm like no.(If it was mines yall would have heard that kid screaming from where yall was at). He starts walking towards the kid and says come here the boy says no and takes off running. I have to admit this is kind of amusing at this point cause if it was me I would have killed that boy. He gets near this boy and the kid yells out "No, you mother cookie". I'm like dang I would have gotten beat all the way back to the house. So they walk in the house and I don't think anything happened cause when I got home he was outside on that bike.

Just said how things are falling apart.

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Re: Where did we go wrong????
« Reply #16 on: July 06, 2007, 02:58:22 PM »
Today, you hear alot of folks knock the "traditional" way of doing things.  They want to abandon that for a new "Contemporary" approach.  I think that this is also leading to the slow deterioration of the church, and family.
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Re: Where did we go wrong????
« Reply #17 on: July 06, 2007, 08:07:55 PM »
Another situation with todays kids as far as respect is concerned is there is no authority in the home.  The fathers, dads, or male figures are absent.  So the children are not used to a structured home.  They don't get the disciplining from the father.  When I was growing up, I did things that I wasn't supposed to  and I preferred a whipping from my mother, because she would go easy.  Dad are a little harder and sterner.   So the family structure is not equal. The men are missing.  Who's going to train/raise the boys???
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