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Offline LIF4E

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Circl of Fifths ( Info on Scales)
« on: July 05, 2007, 03:52:18 PM »
Just thought I share some knowledge

Start with your first tone/degree C your 1 and keep going to your fifth tone which is G-5 right. The scale of C has no sharps. Your G has 1# which is F#, then you play the fifth tone of the G scale which is D. D has 2 #'s why? Equation of Scales whole step, whole step, whole step, half step, whole step, whole step, whole step, half step. Look at the D scale it's 1-D, 2-E, 3-F#,4-G, 5-A, 6-B, and 7-C#. Then you play the fifth tone of the D scale which is A and A has 3 sharps, you should notice the pattern of the scales going up with the fifth tone. If you can understand this then you are on your way to knowing scales a little more.
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Re: Circl of Fifths ( Info on Scales)
« Reply #1 on: July 05, 2007, 08:55:03 PM »
Here is a good resource for anyone who needs help with scales and keys...


www.chordwheel.com
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Re: Circl of Fifths ( Info on Scales)
« Reply #2 on: July 06, 2007, 07:45:52 AM »
Equation of Scales whole step, whole step, whole step, half step, whole step, whole step, whole step, half step.

One too many wholes there. It would be: start at Root, then whole, whole, half, whole, whole, whole, half.

That last half takes you back to your root. Probably a typo, just thought I would let you know.

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Re: Circl of Fifths ( Info on Scales)
« Reply #3 on: July 06, 2007, 08:04:21 AM »
One too many wholes there. It would be: start at Root, then whole, whole, half, whole, whole, whole, half.

That last half takes you back to your root. Probably a typo, just thought I would let you know.

The root is counted as a whole step to make it 3-1-3-1 back to root
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Re: Circl of Fifths ( Info on Scales)
« Reply #4 on: July 06, 2007, 08:20:03 AM »
I'm sorry, but that's incorrect.

The last half takes you back to the root. So, if you take your approach, you would have this (in C)

Let's even start out counting the first C as your whole step...

C w D w E h F w G w A w B h C w D w E w F# ???

it doesn't work like that. You can't count the root as a whole step. The last half step from the 7th degree takes you back to the root, then you have--from that point--2 whole steps, a half, 3 whole steps, a half, which takes you back to the root again.

See why that doesn't work?

I'm not trying to be rude. You obviously understand your scales, but if you put it on paper that way, it does not continue to work after one octave. Your W W H W W W H equation should loop endlessly. If it's W W W H W W W H, it jacks up the scale after the second root (the octave).

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Re: Circl of Fifths ( Info on Scales)
« Reply #5 on: July 06, 2007, 11:17:22 AM »
I'm sorry, but that's incorrect.

The last half takes you back to the root. So, if you take your approach, you would have this (in C)

Let's even start out counting the first C as your whole step...

C w D w E h F w G w A w B h C w D w E w F# ???

it doesn't work like that. You can't count the root as a whole step. The last half step from the 7th degree takes you back to the root, then you have--from that point--2 whole steps, a half, 3 whole steps, a half, which takes you back to the root again.

See why that doesn't work?

I'm not trying to be rude. You obviously understand your scales, but if you put it on paper that way, it does not continue to work after one octave. Your W W H W W W H equation should loop endlessly. If it's W W W H W W W H, it jacks up the scale after the second root (the octave).

That was quoted to me but your right that makes since
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Re: Circl of Fifths ( Info on Scales)
« Reply #6 on: July 06, 2007, 02:16:28 PM »
That's what I was saying, it seemed like you knew what you were saying, it just didn't come out on paper the same way.

I just didn't want anyone to get confused.

Keep on, bro.  ;D

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Re: Circl of Fifths ( Info on Scales)
« Reply #7 on: July 06, 2007, 02:42:33 PM »
JayP is correct.
The diatonic major sequence is, from root to octave: w - w - h - w - w - w - h
Start on any of the 12 notes that you wish, THAT is going to be the order.  ;)
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