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[csedwards2]

Dag, we cant just make comments? Why should someone have to give their background just to make a statement? Its not that deep

[sjonathan02]

Dag, we cant just make comments. Why should someone have to give their background just to make a statement. Its not that deep

No. Just making comments is what can be offensive to others. So, being cognizant of what you're saying helps to end battles before they begin. 

Remember, it's not WHAT you say, it's HOW you say it.

[kadman92]

You have to admit... mr motivational speaker turned preacher is about "feel good, warm and fuzzy" messages.  I've never heard Joel Olsteen ACTUALLY PREACH.

I'll take a Rod Parcely or TD Jakes any day.

These are the last days... and warm and fuzzy aint gonna cut it.  We need to lay down the REAL word, not some iced half & half so that NOBODY is offended or convicted.  If you don't feel conviction in your church EVER... than you aint in the right church cause NONE of us are perfect and all sin and come short of the Glory of God.  If you aint been Stirred up in months or even more.. you aint in the right church.  A church that is PLUGGED IN to the Spirit is led by the Spirit and the Spriti Flows OFTEN in those churches.

We have to get real people...

[csedwards2]

You have to admit... mr motivational speaker turned preacher is about "feel good, warm and fuzzy" messages.  I've never heard Joel Olsteen ACTUALLY PREACH.

I'll take a Rod Parcely or TD Jakes any day.

These are the last days... and warm and fuzzy aint gonna cut it.  We need to lay down the REAL word, not some iced half & half so that NOBODY is offended or convicted.  If you don't feel conviction in your church EVER... than you aint in the right church cause NONE of us are perfect and all sin and come short of the Glory of God.  If you aint been Stirred up in months or even more.. you aint in the right church.  A church that is PLUGGED IN to the Spirit is led by the Spirit and the Spriti Flows OFTEN in those churches.

We have to get real people...

Doesnt that just make your skin crawl

[csedwards2]

No. Just making comments is what can be offensive to others. So, being cognizant of what you're saying helps to end battles before they begin. 

Remember, it's not WHAT you say, it's HOW you say it.

Well I will not give my background and whole life history just to make a comment. My position is just my position, and thats that. I may reasons for it, and I will share those from time to time.

People may try to make others feel small by all these titles and backgrounds. My background may be the reason I think a certain way or another, but I do not have to prove that to anyone here.

I also believe that one particular past history or another doesnt make you an expert. It just gives you experience, which will be shown in how you say things or how you think. You dont need to reference it. In this online environment, your posts tell who you are, not your statement of who you are. The statement of saying I am this, or I am that, thats the ones that can be exagerated.

[LaylaMonroe]

Funniest thing about the two of you arguing is the fact that BOTH of you have very valid points.

Too bad, ya'll can't see that.

BTW Larue, I don't think J31 was JUST speakin' to you when he made some of his comments.

As for speaking in person, there's always the chat room. Both of you could get a mic and have at it.

Yeah, you're right.  I think... lol.

I actually agreed with J31 on most of what he said.  I'm not judging anyone.  I don't think the pastor is necessarily wrong for driving a Bentley - especially since he's not the one who bought it.  I completely agree (and said it from the beginning) that we don't have enough info to arrive at any conclusion.  I don't think the pastor, or his character, should be judged because of what he drives or where he lives.  If you got it honestly, spend it honestly. That's all I got to say about that!

I agreed with J31 on just about everything he said.  I still do.  My only opposing point was that it's not enough to say "our Father owns the world and all the cars therein, so it's okay for any pastor to drive any car." (paraphrased, of course)

That's all I was saying.  I did realize, also, that he wasn't just talking to me.

By the way, I hope it doesn't really seem like we're "arguing"... I really don't want to do that.  I like J31. 

[sjonathan02]

Yeah, you're right.  I think... lol.

I actually agreed with J31 on most of what he said.  I'm not judging anyone.  I don't think the pastor is necessarily wrong for driving a Bentley - especially since he's not the one who bought it.  I completely agree (and said it from the beginning) that we don't have enough info to arrive at any conclusion.  I don't think the pastor, or his character, should be judged because of what he drives or where he lives.  If you got it honestly, spend it honestly. That's all I got to say about that!

I agreed with J31 on just about everything he said.  I still do.  My only opposing point was that it's not enough to say "our Father owns the world and all the cars therein, so it's okay for any pastor to drive any car." (paraphrased, of course)

That's all I was saying.  I did realize, also, that he wasn't just talking to me.

By the way, I hope it doesn't really seem like we're "arguing"... I really don't want to do that.  I like J31. 

It did more than 'seem' like it. 

[sjonathan02]

Well I will not give my background and whole life history just to make a comment. My position is just my position, and thats that. I may reasons for it, and I will share those from time to time.

People may try to make others feel small by all these titles and backgrounds. My background may be the reason I think a certain way or another, but I do not have to prove that to anyone here.

I also believe that one particular past history or another doesnt make you an expert. It just gives you experience, which will be shown in how you say things or how you think. You dont need to reference it. In this online environment, your posts tell who you are, not your statement of who you are. The statement of saying I am this, or I am that, thats the ones that can be exagerated.

I think we agree that sharing your life history IS unnecessary. But, there are times when one's 'reason' for stating a position may be needed to diffuse any unnecessary strife.


In essence, I think we're saying the same thing. And yes, when someone has to give you their resume or name-drop ( ) they are usually a windbag.

[csedwards2]

I think we agree that sharing your life history IS unnecessary. But, there are times when one's 'reason' for stating a position may be needed to diffuse and unnecessary strife.


In essence, I think we're saying the same thing. And yes, when someone has to give your their resume or name-drop ( ) they are usually a windbag.

Amen and Amen again. Just didnt want to promote the wrong thing you know.

[J31]

It did more than 'seem' like it. 

My last response was not actually to Larue at all because to be honest.. i did not read her last post.

we can all talk about an example here or there but none of us live with these people. When I talk about being intimately invloved in a ministry it's more than just finacials, or tenure. It's about having labored or been there before they had 10,000 members, before they had 1,000 members.

I could talk about my pastor who started in Lucedale Mississippi in a little old church and then was asked to come pastor at the age of 27, a church in an entire region, that was new to this country preacher, but God said go so he went. At the time the church was a mere 300 members maybe and a dying church. Now almost 25 years later the membership is over 3,000. he is still the same country preacher but now he has educated himself gone to seminary, attained the degrees, not for himself but so that he can be better equipped to teach and mature his house.

Yes we have an awesome Music minstry, my Bishop is charismatic, and he can preach a house down. he can also teach and speak with wisdom when appropriate. But you know what so what! For every pastor like him there may be somebody else who has 3,000 members but they are not doing it the right way. The problem is we really don't know unless you were there in Lucedale when he and God had a talk.

That is my point. Don't speak on people when you don't know what God has told them to do. You can't catch every kind of fish with the same bait. Some men/women approach bringing the lost in from a perspective that may not be yours but so what. make sure YOU are going to make it to heaven.

[sjonathan02]

My last response was not actually to Larue at all because to be honest.. i did not read her last post.

Yea, I didn't think it was.

[THE WOLFMAN]

You have to admit... mr motivational speaker turned preacher is about "feel good, warm and fuzzy" messages.  I've never heard Joel Olsteen ACTUALLY PREACH.

I'll take a Rod Parcely or TD Jakes any day.

These are the last days... and warm and fuzzy aint gonna cut it.  We need to lay down the REAL word, not some iced half & half so that NOBODY is offended or convicted.  If you don't feel conviction in your church EVER... than you aint in the right church cause NONE of us are perfect and all sin and come short of the Glory of God.  If you aint been Stirred up in months or even more.. you aint in the right church.  A church that is PLUGGED IN to the Spirit is led by the Spirit and the Spriti Flows OFTEN in those churches.

We have to get real people...

I've never been to his church to hear him other than on a broadcast, so, i dunno what he does other than what i see. But not everybody has the "loud-cry-out" method to their teaching. We(ok, ima say) I dont know what seeds have been planted by his still small voice method.

I have a very good friend, dear to my heart, that was sorely turned off by "tha chu'ch". She didnt grow up in church per se, so she didint develop those "anti-churchiness-shields" that many (not all)of us have. She tried going, but all she recieved was judgement, condemnation, and a bunch of "god-rhetoric". Preacher even tried to hit on her, then got told that "this may not be the place for you" when she rebuffed.

The ONLY person she seems to listen to is Joel Osteen. (And me.) If his methods can plant the seed, then hey let him plant.

Diversity is good(as long as it follow the tenets of skripcha) in the body of christ.


But back 2 tha subject,

1. If the BOARD decided do but the car, shame on them for not being proper stewards. They knew what overhead they had.
2. If pastor HAD THEM buy the car, shame on him, he should know what type of people he has in his membership.
3. There is a common misconception that Pastors ought not to have the good things in life. PLEEZE. If there's something i want, and i can earn it, and STILL take care of God's business, and keep Him first, believe me, I'm gettin it. It is unfortunate that because of the acts of a good number of false prophets it has thrown a serious shadow on RICH CHRISTIANS, or christians that desire to be rich.

Folk can be all deep if they wanna. Nuffin wrong with gettin paid, havin the big house, the Lex,Coupes,Beemaz, and the Benz, as long as those things dont turn into Mammon.

If that's not for you, then peaches. but the impression ought not be given that having the good things in life is anathema to the christian life.

What do you think "have life more abundantly" means?

[THE WOLFMAN]

And why is the pacifier almost as big as her head?

[LaylaMonroe]

Amen and Amen again. Just didnt want to promote the wrong thing you know.

And Amen once more.

And although I know CSEdwards wasn't referring to me  , I just had to comment on this.  I agree that background and life history isn't necessary to make a point.  Sometimes, though, it's relevant.

If your background helps others to understand why you think the way you think, or lends credence to your expertise, then it might be relevant.  If someone says that you can't relate the violence in Haiti because you don't know the first thing about Haiti, it's pretty relevant and appropriate (IMO) to share that you were born and raised in Haiti.

Just my two cents... probably worth even less.   

[kadman92]

Most mega churches are such because of many things... an attractive carismatic pastor, excellent music department, WATERED DOWN DOCTRINE (lets make it easy and just love errybody), Half steppin "christians" like to hide behind the multitude.

Now I'm sure this is not the case for ALL mega ministries but the bible speaks of MANY false doctrines...

find a church where little is REQUIRED I'll show you a 1000 plus member church

I just thought I would quote myself... as I did say my comments where NOT pertaining to ALL mega ministries.

I'm sure there are more than a fair share of TRUTH teaching ministries that have grown to be mega churches.  And praise God for them and their pastors for keeping the FAITH

The point I was making was those that change or was never preaching FULL TRUTH for the sake of keep the pews full.

also we can live Prosperous without being Extravigant

[J31]

* RASING HAND*


may the Lord watch....

Now may the Grace of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.....

What i say unto One I say unto all........


Whatever!!!!!!!!!!

Peace chicken & hair grease

[nessalynn77]

Did somebody say there was chicken in this thread?  It's almost lunch time here. 

On another note, yesterday I tried the Barbecue Chicken Tostada Salad at Pollo Loco... It was FIRE!

[sjonathan02]

Did somebody say there was chicken in this thread?  It's almost lunch time here. 

On another note, yesterday I tried the Barbecue Chicken Tostada Salad at Pollo Loco... It was FIRE!

I just had the Popcorn Chicken Shaker from Arby's. That stuff was BANGIN'!!!

[nessalynn77]

I just had the Popcorn Chicken Shaker from Arby's. That stuff was BANGIN'!!!

Hmmm... thanks for the recommendation, LOL.

[kadman92]

now why ya'll go and do that to the thread...????