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Offline JOZEF

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Leslie!!!
« on: September 12, 2007, 10:37:49 AM »
Trying to find a Leslie at a good price. Just bought my first organ, a C-2 with and only has the tone cabinet. I am going to try and switch over from keys to organ. Someone please help. What is the least, quality wise, type of leslie that you would use. PLEASE GIVE ME SOME INPUT. THANKS & GOD BLESS!!!

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Re: Leslie!!!
« Reply #1 on: September 12, 2007, 01:51:56 PM »
the hallmark is a 122 or 147.best choice is 122,pretty expensive for one in good shape,and you need what's called a kit to hook it up.check out btproductions or bborgans.probably also need a teck,so you may be lookin at some shekles.in the end will be worth it to do it right.pray 4 u!

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Re: Leslie!!!
« Reply #2 on: September 12, 2007, 04:10:43 PM »
the hallmark is a 122 or 147.best choice is 122,pretty expensive for one in good shape,and you need what's called a kit to hook it up.check out btproductions or bborgans.probably also need a teck,so you may be lookin at some shekles.in the end will be worth it to do it right.pray 4 u!


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Re: Leslie!!!
« Reply #3 on: September 12, 2007, 06:36:37 PM »
You can also visit http://www.b3world.com/leslie.html and see by the spec sheets that the only difference between the 145 and 147 is that the 147 cabinet is 8 inches taller SOOOO I wouldn't pass up a good deal on ANY Leslie if I were you.

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Re: Leslie!!!
« Reply #4 on: September 13, 2007, 08:49:35 AM »
If you need a cheap leslie get a 120 or 125, it should be around 300 + connections and instalation. the others go from around $800-1500

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Re: Leslie!!!
« Reply #5 on: September 13, 2007, 11:01:10 AM »
With me being as cheap as i am and because they are VERY HARD to find in Alaska, I decided to build my own.  I'm almost finished, all I need now is the amp.  W/ once finished my total cost will be right under $500.  Its not the real thing, but it will serve its purpose.

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Re: Leslie!!!
« Reply #6 on: September 13, 2007, 01:30:56 PM »
Models 142 and 145 are the same as the 122 and 147 respectively except in shorter cases.  They can be found sometimes at lower prices because of the smaller cases.  The only downside is that the bass response is going to be a bit weaker due to the smaller case.

If I were you, I'd go for the following Leslies in this order:
122
142 (same as 122 but in shorter case)
147
145 (same as 147 but in shorter case)

Note: The only technical difference between the 122 and the 147 is the amplifier.  Everything else is EXACTLY the same.  If you get a 147 and want the sound of a 122, then buy a 122 amplifier and swap it out.

What's important is that the 122 and 147 require DIFFERENT kits to connect to a Hammond.  If an organ is set up to connect to a 122, do NOT connect it to a 147 and vice-versa without having the Hammond set up appropriately.  Connect an organ set up for a 122 to a 147 and BAD things can happen.

Sound-wise, the 147 has a sharper, rougher sound while the 122 has a warmer, smoother sound.  As far as this goes, it just depends on what you desire.  Of course, the 122 is the most popular in gospel.

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Re: Leslie!!!
« Reply #7 on: September 13, 2007, 01:45:28 PM »
I personally like the 122 (142) and 22H Leslie's because they are not susceptible to the 60hz electrical hum. Tonewise, I've heard type 147's are brighter than 122's. I honestly can't tell the difference, but that's just me. Leslie's are on Ebay all the time, but they're also in high demand so unless you wanna pay some big bucks, you pretty much outta luck. Even building your own Leslie is expensive unless you skimp on parts. But then you start compromising the tone so if getting the original Hammond/Leslie tone is what you're after, there's really no cost effective way to do it.

I bought a Leslie 44W last year on Ebay for $500. Leslie 44W's were exactly like the Leslie 45's except it had a field coil woofer inside as opposed to the infamous permanent magnet speakers. Then I sold that last Thanksgiving after I assembled a Leslie 142. This past March I purchased a Leslie 45 for $500. I currently use the Leslie 142 and Leslie 45 together. The sound of two Leslie's spinning is very pleasing.

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Re: Leslie!!!
« Reply #8 on: September 14, 2007, 06:57:31 AM »
i wonder,if for cost effectiveness  to go with a 1/4 output jack.you could go with some of the motion sound stuff that way.from some post,due to smaller speakers  bass reponse may not be as good.one of the tecks down here also used to use Voce spin(an electronic) simulator with a real B.again,just some ideas.i think the newer leslies have 1/4 ins also-so that maight be a thought.again,no easy /cheap way to get THAT sound-a labor of love;sometimes love HURTS($$$$)

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Re: Leslie!!!
« Reply #9 on: September 14, 2007, 07:45:20 AM »
I'd go with the 147 or 145 cuz when you hit the leslie switch it changes speed instantly, with a 122 it takes at least 1 or 2 seconds before changing speed

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Re: Leslie!!!
« Reply #10 on: September 14, 2007, 09:44:09 AM »
i wonder,if for cost effectiveness  to go with a 1/4 output jack.you could go with some of the motion sound stuff that way.from some post,due to smaller speakers  bass reponse may not be as good.one of the tecks down here also used to use Voce spin(an electronic) simulator with a real B.again,just some ideas.i think the newer leslies have 1/4 ins also-so that maight be a thought.again,no easy /cheap way to get THAT sound-a labor of love;sometimes love HURTS($$$$)

I wasn't a big fan of the Motion Sound product I owned. I had a Motion Sound Pro-145 for about a month. It sounded way too boxy for my liking. At any rate, you really wouldn't be saving all that much money anyway. MS Pro-145's sell new for $1709. You can get a fully restored Leslie (122, 147, 145, 142, etc) from Speakeasy Vintage Music for $1800 + $200 flat rate shipping. That's only $291 more than the MS Pro-145. For such a small difference in price, you'll get a lot more back going with a vintage Leslie. And remember, you'll be getting a Leslie that won't need any work for many years, aside from periodically oiling the motor bearings. Something to think about.

www.speakeasyvintagemusic.com - Give them a call sometime and ask for Steven Hayes. The quote I gave you for the restored vintage Leslie should still be the same. It's been over a year ago when I got that price from him, but Leslie parts have not increased in price so it should still be the same.

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Re: Leslie!!!
« Reply #11 on: September 14, 2007, 10:06:20 AM »
IF THE ORGAN IS JUST GONNA BE USED FOR PRACTICE, YOU REALLY DON'T NEED A LESLIE.
ALL THE LESIE DOES IS GIVE YOU THE SPINNING SOUND THAT MAKES THE HAMMOND ORGAN SOOOOOO POPULAR. BUT IF YOUR JUST USING IT FOR PRACTICE IT REALLY SHOULDN'T MATTER.

JUST MY OPINION.


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Re: Leslie!!!
« Reply #12 on: September 14, 2007, 12:49:07 PM »
IF THE ORGAN IS JUST GONNA BE USED FOR PRACTICE, YOU REALLY DON'T NEED A LESLIE.
ALL THE LESIE DOES IS GIVE YOU THE SPINNING SOUND THAT MAKES THE HAMMOND ORGAN SOOOOOO POPULAR. BUT IF YOUR JUST USING IT FOR PRACTICE IT REALLY SHOULDN'T MATTER.

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I have to respectfully disagree.  I own an organ without a Leslie that I practiced on regularly (I don't anymore because I don't have room for it here at school).  Yeah, while you don't technically need a Leslie to practice, there are things you can practice with a Leslie that are critical to gospel organ that you can't do with a regular tone cabinet.

First, learning when to switch slow and when to switch fast are critical skills.  They make such a difference in your sound and are just as much a part of playing the right notes.
Second, learning how a Leslie is going to respond when you do certain runs, grinds, licks, etc. is also critical to playing skills.
Third, a good Leslie is going to have sound intricacies that aren't going to be so apparent in a regular tone cabinet.  Understanding these intricacies and learning how to exploit them are also critical.

All together, you can practice with a regular tone cab, but, IMHO, you are going to limit yourself to basic skills on the organ.  Having a Leslie will greatly allow you to practice so MUCH more than with a regular tone cab.  Unless you just aren't interested in Leslie sound, you should get a Leslie as soon as you can afford one.  You can always have a Leslie and a Hammond tone cab hooked to the same organ so you can switch between the two or both.

There is a reason the Hammond sound is so popular - it's called the Leslie.  The Hammond and Leslie are like Tom & Jerry... like Thelma & Louise... like Bonnie & Clyde - you don't see one without the other.  Let one go, and it's just not the same.  Without it, Hammond would probably not have the cult following they have now.

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Re: Leslie!!!
« Reply #13 on: September 14, 2007, 04:59:53 PM »
I have to respectfully disagree.  I own an organ without a Leslie that I practiced on regularly (I don't anymore because I don't have room for it here at school).  Yeah, while you don't technically need a Leslie to practice, there are things you can practice with a Leslie that are critical to gospel organ that you can't do with a regular tone cabinet.

First, learning when to switch slow and when to switch fast are critical skills.  They make such a difference in your sound and are just as much a part of playing the right notes.
Second, learning how a Leslie is going to respond when you do certain runs, grinds, licks, etc. is also critical to playing skills.
Third, a good Leslie is going to have sound intricacies that aren't going to be so apparent in a regular tone cabinet.  Understanding these intricacies and learning how to exploit them are also critical.

All together, you can practice with a regular tone cab, but, IMHO, you are going to limit yourself to basic skills on the organ.  Having a Leslie will greatly allow you to practice so MUCH more than with a regular tone cab.  Unless you just aren't interested in Leslie sound, you should get a Leslie as soon as you can afford one.  You can always have a Leslie and a Hammond tone cab hooked to the same organ so you can switch between the two or both.

There is a reason the Hammond sound is so popular - it's called the Leslie.  The Hammond and Leslie are like Tom & Jerry... like Thelma & Louise... like Bonnie & Clyde - you don't see one without the other.  Let one go, and it's just not the same.  Without it, Hammond would probably not have the cult following they have now.


WELL YOU PRESENTED A VERY GOOD POINT OF WHAT I WAS GETTING AT.

ON YOUR FIRST TWO RESPONSES, SOME PEOPLE JUST PLAY WITH THE LESLIE SWITCH JUST BECAUSE IT'S THERE. THEY KNOW THAT IT CHANGES THE ROTAR FROM FAST TO SLOW (visa versa) BUT THEY DON'T KNOW WHEN THE BEST TIMES ARE TO CHANGE THE SPEEDS.
ON YOUR LAST RESPONSE, A LESLIE WITH ALLOW YOU TO PLAY A LITTLE BUT MORE SLOPPIER THE PLAYING WITH A TONE CAB. PLAYING WITH A TONE CAB. YOU CAN HEAR EVERY LITTLE DETAIL OF YOUR PLAYING.

FOR EXAMPLE:
            IF YOUR PLAYING THROUGH A CAB AND YOU HEAR THAT EVERY TIME YOU DO A CERTAIN RUN OR PROGRESSION YOU HIT SOME EXTRA NOTES. YOUR GONNA WANT TO FIX THAT. BUT IF YOUR PRACTICE THAT SAME RUN OR PROGRESSION ON LESLIE NINE TIMES OUT OF TEN, YOU NOT GONNA HEAR THAT SAME MISTAKE.


AS I SAID BEFORE, IT'S JUST MY OPINION, I'M NOT TRYING TO PUT A BIBLE TO YOUR HEAD AND FORCE YOU TO PRACTICE ON THE CAB. lol


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