Gospel Musicians Playing Worldy Music

[musiqisme26]

why has no one mentioned the ministers wether the pastor or the singer who enlist the non-gospel artist. how many times have i seen kelly price, faith evans, lil' mo, brian mcknight, r. kelly, steve harvey and whoever else either record or appear with gospel artist and pastors.

lets not forget the mase debacle

however how does your job in corporate america working for a company that funds things that are not of God and/or not even allow you to pray or read your bible while on the clock allow you to be better off than you dismissing a chance to do music cuz its not considered "GOSPEL".

I also never read in the bible that when Jesus picked his 12 he told them to stop doing their "WORLDLY" jobs, keep in mind one was a tax collector and another was a lawyer

[sjonathan02]

I also never read in the bible that when Jesus picked his 12 he told them to stop doing their "WORLDLY" jobs, keep in mind one was a tax collector and another was a lawyer

Matthew 4

The Calling of the First Disciples
 18 As Jesus was walking beside the Sea of Galilee, he saw two brothers, Simon called Peter and his brother Andrew. They were casting a net into the lake, for they were fishermen. 19 "Come, follow me," Jesus said, "and I will make you fishers of men." 20 At once they left their nets and followed him.

 21 Going on from there, he saw two other brothers, James son of Zebedee and his brother John. They were in a boat with their father Zebedee, preparing their nets. Jesus called them, 22 and immediately they left the boat and their father and followed him.


Matthew 8

21 Another disciple said to him, "Lord, first let me go and bury my father."

22 But Jesus told him, "Follow me, and let the dead bury their own dead."


It's implied, bruh.

[musiqisme26]

Matthew 4

The Calling of the First Disciples
 18 As Jesus was walking beside the Sea of Galilee, he saw two brothers, Simon called Peter and his brother Andrew. They were casting a net into the lake, for they were fishermen. 19 "Come, follow me," Jesus said, "and I will make you fishers of men." 20 At once they left their nets and followed him.

 21 Going on from there, he saw two other brothers, James son of Zebedee and his brother John. They were in a boat with their father Zebedee, preparing their nets. Jesus called them, 22 and immediately they left the boat and their father and followed him.


Matthew 8

21 Another disciple said to him, "Lord, first let me go and bury my father."

22 But Jesus told him, "Follow me, and let the dead bury their own dead."


It's implied, bruh.

Your taking it out of context. After they cast down their nets did they not use them again to fish for the fish of the sea. You picked out verses that regarding going out to save souls. I stand firm that never were there any specific instruction on what job a man or woman should have but how we should conduct ourselves with the things we choose to do.

[mellowone]

Your taking it out of context. After they cast down their nets did they not use them again to fish for the fish of the sea. You picked out verses that regarding going out to save souls. I stand firm that never were there any specific instruction on what job a man or woman should have but how we should conduct ourselves with the things we choose to do.

I agrre with you first of all.  Even though they picked up their nets They still had to be seperate we do things that are carnal all the time but that doesn't mean we are going to the lake. We eat that is carnal but even though we are spirtiual we still need to eat to satisfy our fleshly bodies so we won't starve. We work because we need a place to live and we need food. So even though there are carnal things that are needed that doesn't dismiss the fact that some things have to be different.
leviticus 10:10

10And that ye may put difference between holy and unholy, and between unclean and clean;
we know the story of nadab and abihu that is the scripture that distincts what us as saints of the most hi should do.

So not all music can be used their are some things that need to stay where they are.
will music evolve yes it has been doing it for eons, but also keep in mind Deuteronomy12:30
 
30Take heed to thyself that thou be not snared by following them, after that they be destroyed from before thee; and that thou enquire not after their gods, saying, How did these nations serve their gods? even so will I do likewise.

So we should not look at the world and say this is working for them let us use it for us

Also Joshua24:14  states what was going on in egypt they served other gods and he told them to leave those gods that you served in egypt alone while isreal was in egypt

14Now therefore fear the LORD, and serve him in sincerity and in truth: and put away the gods which your fathers served on the other side of the flood, and in Egypt; and serve ye the LORD.

When we get delivered from the world those things that were there need to stay there why 2 Corinthians 5:17

Thats what i think yall might agree and might not but thats cool

Mellowone From Louisville Ky out

[sjonathan02]

Your taking it out of context. After they cast down their nets did they not use them again to fish for the fish of the sea. You picked out verses that regarding going out to save souls. I stand firm that never were there any specific instruction on what job a man or woman should have but how we should conduct ourselves with the things we choose to do.

Show me in the Bible where they went BACK to fishing, tax collecting, and winning cases.

I don't think it's a matter of taking it out of context, I think you may be making it a matter of semantics.


On the other hand, I COMPLETELY agree with the underlined statement. We are the salt of the earth, and we are set apart. We can't just live in our little cocoons and expect to win the lost.

I believe it can be summed up this way: It's NOT what we do, it's HOW we do it.

[keyz28]

im not really goin to entertain this topic..... but i will leave u with a scripture that came to mind when i saw this topic.......... its in 1 John 2:15 
Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

[Bruh Kell]

2 cents.....

Music is ministry.......

.........just like attitude
.........just like clothing
.........just like speech
.........just like every day life living

The question is what are you saying with your music?
If your music is uplifting/promoting something sinful then you're in the wrong. If your music is uplifting good things then you're fine.

Listen carefully.....I'm engaged to a beautiful woman AND IF I WANNA SING HER UP A GOOD FEELIN' SAYIN "BABY BABY I LOVE YOU" AINT NOBODY GON' CONVINCE ME THAT I'M WRONG FOR IT
After all if the Lord done blessed you wit' somebody, ya s'posed to ac' like he done blessed you!!!!

[SupremeSaltine]

Unless all you're doing is "moanin'" all modern gospel music is worldly.

Where do you want to start it? At slave songs? Bach Chorales?

Every generation of gospel musicians absorbs the "worldly" music of the generation before.  If you think gospel is not affected by jazz and r&b then you have not been paying attention.  "These kids today............."

I play at a church.   I also play in bars.  I make money as a musician.  Big deal.  There's nothing that says that the organist has to be poor. 

/hates gospel hip-hop
//just another way to kill off real musicians
///slashies are fun on the gospel organ board

[TheReturn]

WELL I LOOK AT IT LIKE THIS, IT ALL DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU HOLD TO BE TRUE. ITS TIME TO QUIT TRIPPING OFF OF WHAT OTHER PEOPLE SAY BECAUSE, OTHER PEOPLE AREN'T GONNA DECIDE ON IF YOUR MAKING IT TO HEAVEN OR NOT.

I TRULY BELEIVE THAT I CAN PLAY "WORLDLY" AND STILL LIVE SAVED. GOING ON TOUR WITH JAY-Z, FLOETRY, JILL SCOTT, ect ISN'T ANY DIFFERENT THAN BEING EMPLOYED BY A CARNIVAL CRUISE LINE TO PLAY SOME JAMACAN AND JAZZ STANDARDS. (ya fell me?)

IT'S ALL ABOUT HOW STRONG YOUR RELATIONSHIP IS WITH GOD. SOME PEOPLE TRY TO SAY " Well, how could you go any play for someone that's promoting sin and death? " WELL FIRSTLY IF IM A RAPPER; I'M NOT PUTTING A GUN TO THE WHOLE CROWD'S HEAD AND TELLING THEM TO "BOUNCE TO THIS BEAT" OR  "REPEAT AFTER ME" ect. PEOPLE HAVE MINDS OF THEIR OWN. THEY'RE CHOOSING TO SIN. AND JUST BECAUSE I'M PROVIDING THE BACKBEAT FOR SOMEONE TO SAY CERTAIN THINGS DOESN'T MAKE ME WRONG EITHER.

EVERYTHING THAT PEOPLE DO, THEY DO IT BECAUSE OF THE CHOOSES THAT MAKE.
IF THEY SAY "Well it's hard for me not to dance when I hear that snap music or the crunk beat" THEY SHOULD BE AT THE CONCERT ANYWAY. (ya dig)

BASICALLY ALL I'M SAYING IS, EVERYTHING IS ABOUT THE CHOICES THAT PEOPLE MAKE ON THEIR OWN. NO ONE CAN MAKE SOMEONE DO SOMETHING.




CATRON/TheReturn
HOLLA

[chi_townz_bmg]

Quick and to the point... I am music director for a church and I have a secular band.  If we look at the definition of secular, we find it says "not pertaining to or connected with religion" (dictionary.com). There are many things we "ALL" do in life that are secular.  Going to work everyday does not pertain to religion. Is going to public school and obtaining an education against the word of God, it's a secular setting????  Paying your electric bill, buying SUV's and attending BBQ's are not pertaining to or connected with religion.  Basically, everything that falls under the umbrella of "secular" is not bad or against God.  Christian people fall in love too.  So is a song about love and expressing your love for one woman or man (depending on your correct status male/female) against the principles of God? I'm not out there playing 50 Cents, R. Kelly, LiL John, Metallica, Marylin Manson, etc... But Lou Rawls, Sammy Davis Jr, Beethoven, Bach, Gershwin, etc... are not being explicit or over the top.  Love is an emotion that God created, deomonstrates and meant for us all to experience. Materials of a sexual connotation, drugs, calling women out of turn, homosexuality, gang and violence are a totally different story! Those are secular activities that oppose the word of God.

[sjonathan02]

Quick and to the point... I am music director for a church and I have a secular band.  If we look at the definition of secular, we find it says "not pertaining to or connected with religion" (dictionary.com). There are many things we "ALL" do in life that are secular.  Going to work everyday does not pertain to religion. Is going to public school and obtaining an education against the word of God, it's a secular setting????  Paying your electric bill, buying SUV's and attending BBQ's are not pertaining to or connected with religion.  Basically, everything that falls under the umbrella of "secular" is not bad or against God.  Christian people fall in love too.  So is a song about love and expressing your love for one woman or man (depending on your correct status male/female) against the principles of God? I'm not out there playing 50 Cents, R. Kelly, LiL John, Metallica, Marylin Manson, etc... But Lou Rawls, Sammy Davis Jr, Beethoven, Bach, Gershwin, etc... are not being explicit or over the top.  Love is an emotion that God created, deomonstrates and meant for us all to experience. Materials of a sexual connotation, drugs, calling women out of turn, homosexuality, gang and violence are a totally different story! Those are secular activities that oppose the word of God.

What you're saying, although it's all bunched together , is what Wolfman first asked, "What do you mean by 'worldly'?"

There are songs that promote love in a positive manner and there are songs that don't. Where we get it twisted is trying to lump it all together. You can't.

It's about the heart, always has been. 

[chi_townz_bmg]

Sorry about it being bunched up... but I'm actually doing this from work and was rapidly typing 

[Wolfram]

The day the faithful embrace the need to pay their musicians for the musical services they provide and embrace the fact that Gospel music is a business just like everything else and has bills to be paid, the day this happens is the day you will see fewer and fewer of us Christian players needing to outsource our talents to the secular music world to put food on the table. It is next to impossible to survive on what the faithful is willing to support as far as music goes.  If music is you livelihood, you will starve and your kids will be running around nekkid...

Ladies, don't let your children gro up to be musicians... or cowboys for that matter...  hehe.

W

[musiqisme26]

The day the faithful embrace the need to pay their musicians for the musical services they provide and embrace the fact that Gospel music is a business just like everything else and has bills to be paid, the day this happens is the day you will see fewer and fewer of us Christian players needing to outsource our talents to the secular music world to put food on the table. It is next to impossible to survive on what the faithful is willing to support as far as music goes.  If music is you livelihood, you will starve and your kids will be running around nekkid...

Ladies, don't let your children gro up to be musicians... or cowboys for that matter...  hehe.

W

Im glad the churches some of us attend dont collect money to pay to "Worldly" or "Secular" companies (electric, gas, phone) so that they can worship without any involvement for something or someone who is "Worldly"

may be one day i will see it, might be the day where tithes and offering are given as they should be

[THE WOLFMAN]

Mane, i was just thinkin that on the way home. I dont recall seein any "christian" banks or utility companies.

[TheReturn]

Mane, i was just thinkin that on the way home. I dont recall seein any "christian" banks or utility companies.

YOU BETTER PREACH IT REV.


HOLLA
CATRON/TheReturn