A gospel music revival (Thanks to Ricky!)

[LaylaMonroe]

Sis, you've GOT to stop thinking that you're the only person responding in a thread.


I hope that clarifies it for ya. 


I'm going to use the line that you LOVE to use on me. Just because YOU (and even others) don't see a problem with the article, doesn't mean that other folks won't. Simply put.

For the record, I see the article as Dillard pluggin' his album. I don't have a problem with that; he IS a gospel ARTIST after all and pluggin' your latest album comes with the territory, pure and simple.



Honestly, I think you're merely splitting hairs here. Fo' real, fo' real, I hadn't heard of Ricky Dillard until he did that Steve  Martin movie, 'Leap of Faith'. Funny movie, by the way.


Again, I was playin' (and for the life of me I have no idea why) the part of FS. That's it.

Yeah, I didn't get into Ricky until I moved to Atlanta and got to know him.  He's not that big in NY, so until I moved here, I had never even heard a single one of his songs. 

Okay, I see (now) what you were saying about the spiritual thing... I thought you were addressing something I had said since you quoted me, but now I got it.    That said, I think Pastor Jeff was also just trying to get at what FS's problem is with Ricky because it seems almost personal.  The comment about Ricky and revival being oxymoronic took the subject to a "spiritual" place, I guess... In the end, I think all parties involved agree that the article didn't speak to Ricky's spiritual journey, but his musical accomplishments.  Okay, so there's one thing we all agree on (on which we all agree... lol).

I know that "other people" (or at least one other person) see something wrong with the article and THAT'S what I'm trying to get at... when FS gets back, that is.  I don't understand what his problem is, and I want him to clarify.

All this discussin' and I still don't know what the problem is with the article... 

[takuya]

For the record, I see the article as Dillard pluggin' his album. I don't have a problem with that; he IS a gospel ARTIST after all and pluggin' your latest album comes with the territory, pure and simple.

Now I'm trying to be objective here, cuz being the one who posted this article, you know I'm a huge Ricky Dillard fan.  He's my idol when it comes to choir directing.

But I only noticed two little--maybe three if you count the very last one--paragraphs about his album.  Most of the article, like 75% I would say, is about him keeping the traditional sound alive.  So I really don't see it as him pluggin' his album.  But maybe it only takes 25% to charge someone with pluggin'.

[sjonathan02]

Now I'm trying to be objective here, cuz being the one who posted this article, you know I'm a huge Ricky Dillard fan.  He's my idol when it comes to choir directing.

But I only noticed two little--maybe three if you count the very last one--paragraphs about his album.  Most of the article, like 75% I would say, is about him keeping the traditional sound alive.  So I really don't see it as him pluggin' his album.  But maybe it only takes 25% to charge someone with pluggin'.

You're right. You win. 

[nessalynn77]

Yeah, I didn't get into Ricky until I moved to Atlanta and got to know him.  He's not that big in NY, so until I moved here, I had never even heard a single one of his songs. 

Okay, I see (now) what you were saying about the spiritual thing... I thought you were addressing something I had said since you quoted me, but now I got it.    That said, I think Pastor Jeff was also just trying to get at what FS's problem is with Ricky because it seems almost personal.  The comment about Ricky and revival being oxymoronic took the subject to a "spiritual" place, I guess... In the end, I think all parties involved agree that the article didn't speak to Ricky's spiritual journey, but his musical accomplishments.  Okay, so there's one thing we all agree on (on which we all agree... lol).

I know that "other people" (or at least one other person) see something wrong with the article and THAT'S what I'm trying to get at... when FS gets back, that is.  I don't understand what his problem is, and I want him to clarify.

All this discussin' and I still don't know what the problem is with the article... 

FS called, he said he won't be able to make it back to this thread as he planned, something came up, LOL.

[LaylaMonroe]

FS called, he said he won't be able to make it back to this thread as he planned, something came up, LOL.

LOL!!!

I gotta say, I never thought I'd long to see him... lol.  I mean, I'm often curious to hear his point of view on different subjects, but this time, he left me so stumped that I feel like hopping on a cyber-jet and knocking on his door to ask him what the deal is!!!  LOL!      

[takuya]

Your right. You win. 

You mean, "You're right."  Come on now, aren't you the Grammar Wizard?
I'm sorry.  I just had to do it. [/color]

[LaylaMonroe]

You mean, "You're right."  Come on now, aren't you the Grammar Wizard?
I'm sorry.  I just had to do it. [/color]

Or he could've meant "your right," as in "it is your right to hold that opinion...." 

Okay, I know I'm reaching here... just trying to help the brotha out 'cause he said something I liked yesterday.  LOL!     

[sjonathan02]

Or he could've meant "your right," as in "it is your right to hold that opinion...." 

Okay, I know I'm reaching here... just trying to help the brotha out 'cause he said something I liked yesterday.  LOL!     

IRT the small print: 'preciate the help. intentional

You mean, "You're right."  Come on now, aren't you the Grammar Wizard?
I'm sorry.  I just had to do it. [/color]

I am; and just like you in this thread, I have my off days.

I'm sorry; I just HAD to do it.

[takuya]

I am; and just like you in this thread, I have my off days.

I'm sorry; I just HAD to do it.

LOL

[Furious Styles]

Wow! I didn't know that my opinoin was valued that much.. I must be a gluton for punishment but here goes a credible response.. I believe the article to be a shameful plug because "traditional gospel" wasn't embraced when it was first released in the church. We all love precious lord but the congregations of the 1930's and 40's found Tommy Dorsey's version "worldly". What's funny is that Dillard is getting credit for bringing back a sound that really has elements of old blues, country, and rock and roll. What the article fails to mention is how yesterday's heresy is now considered "traditional".  All of our mothers can make soul food but I can gurantee you all of them will taste different to our taste buds. Generations will always percieve culture differently. Generational gaps are common place accept for the prophecy the bible speaks about that will come to pass in the last days...  I diagnosed this as a shameless plug because in somebody's baptist church in all our cities we canl find these songs from the 60's 70's and 80's blasting in the sanctuary.

I'm not mad at the guy earning a living, I just know record company marketing when I see it. Secondly, revival and Rickey Dillard are oxymoronic because of all those sexual demons that follow in the choir scenes all across America. It is well known that the "brat pack" were living double lives on the DL. I ain't talking about DL Hughley either..... True Revival and Dillard couldn't show up in the same room unless someone was casting those sexual spirits out of him and his Tenor, soprano, and alto sections. Choirs have long been havens for sexual deviants. I for one am a veteran musician of the community choir scene of the 90's and know what I speak of. Those same spirits that I encountered then are stronger than ever before. Takuya to call Rickey your idol scares me! Be careful in the words you choose in describing those you admire...

I have a lot of respect for many musicians both gospel and secular alike but they aren't my idols. Idols and the God we serve can't stay in the same place. It is a known fact that most of the choir directors who model their styles after some of the more famous choral directors have the same struggles as their "idols". Same for all of the heroes that I had that were secular. I found myself desiring some of the same things that they did. I did an audit of my lifestyle and theirs. My analysis was astonshing! I couldn't believe some of the things that I traced back to people that were my boyhood "idols".  This may sound judgemental to some but for those who has ears to hear please understand the dangerous time we live in. That doesn't mean that other gospel generes don't have this issue but for the spiritual who have observed this paradigm you know I'm on to something... Ok all better now?


 

[takuya]

Choirs have long been havens for sexual deviants.

FS, I see where you're coming from, but to specifically point out choirs makes choirs in general sound bad.  I mean, "sexual deviants" can pop up anywhere, no?  You make it seem as if choirs are plagued with them more than anything else.  What do other people think about this statement?  I'm not necessarily saying I disagree with what you're saying, I'm just trying to make sense of it all.

[pastor rob]

Choirs have long been havens for sexual deviants.

My respond. Wow! This and other urban legends have been floating through the church for years. We also use to be told that the choir was where sin starts in the church because Lucifer was a choir master. Our forefathers used this to justify not having choirs.

Wherever you have horny, lustful, people you have the door open for sexual deviants. It can be in the kitchen ministry, usher board, surprise, even the pulpit. Nothing against FS, but we must guard against making blanket statements that case a shadow over everyone. I have served in choirs that lived saved and those that lived carnal, it came down to personal choice.

Please back these allegations up with scripture then I will step up and say I was wrong. I know what the bible says about the last days being wicked. It also speaks out about God pouring out his spirit. I believe that there are believers walking in the spirit and not being lost in the in house fighting that is taking place.

Lastly, if we are not careful while we are looking for the downfall of others, we will miss the move of God that is taking place in the earth.

[takuya]

Wherever you have horny, lustful, people you have the door open for sexual deviants.

Exactly what I was trying to say!!

[LaylaMonroe]

Wow! I didn't know that my opinoin was valued that much.. I must be a gluton for punishment but here goes a credible response.. I believe the article to be a shameful plug because "traditional gospel" wasn't embraced when it was first released in the church. We all love precious lord but the congregations of the 1930's and 40's found Tommy Dorsey's version "worldly". What's funny is that Dillard is getting credit for bringing back a sound that really has elements of old blues, country, and rock and roll. What the article fails to mention is how yesterday's heresy is now considered "traditional".  All of our mothers can make soul food but I can gurantee you all of them will taste different to our taste buds. Generations will always percieve culture differently. Generational gaps are common place accept for the prophecy the bible speaks about that will come to pass in the last days...  I diagnosed this as a shameless plug because in somebody's baptist church in all our cities we canl find these songs from the 60's 70's and 80's blasting in the sanctuary.

I'm not mad at the guy earning a living, I just know record company marketing when I see it. Secondly, revival and Rickey Dillard are oxymoronic because of all those sexual demons that follow in the choir scenes all across America. It is well known that the "brat pack" were living double lives on the DL. I ain't talking about DL Hughley either..... True Revival and Dillard couldn't show up in the same room unless someone was casting those sexual spirits out of him and his Tenor, soprano, and alto sections. Choirs have long been havens for sexual deviants. I for one am a veteran musician of the community choir scene of the 90's and know what I speak of. Those same spirits that I encountered then are stronger than ever before. Takuya to call Rickey your idol scares me! Be careful in the words you choose in describing those you admire...

I have a lot of respect for many musicians both gospel and secular alike but they aren't my idols. Idols and the God we serve can't stay in the same place. It is a known fact that most of the choir directors who model their styles after some of the more famous choral directors have the same struggles as their "idols". Same for all of the heroes that I had that were secular. I found myself desiring some of the same things that they did. I did an audit of my lifestyle and theirs. My analysis was astonshing! I couldn't believe some of the things that I traced back to people that were my boyhood "idols".  This may sound judgemental to some but for those who has ears to hear please understand the dangerous time we live in. That doesn't mean that other gospel generes don't have this issue but for the spiritual who have observed this paradigm you know I'm on to something... Ok all better now?


 

Since this discussion is relatively "old" at this point, I'll keep my comments brief (or at least that's my intention... lol).

1. Okay, well now you know: I value your opinion greatly.    (and this is, what, the fifteenth time I've told you that???  LOL).

2. IRT the second bold, red comment... I hate when people say stuff like that.  Personally, I'm not interested in what is "well-known" by second-hand knowledge.  Have you slept with, or had any sort of sexually deviant relations with Ricky or anyone in his choir?  If you haven't, it's as much a sin for you to repeat what you heard as it is for Ricky (or NewG) to be sexually "deviant."

Having said that, I know Ricky.  There was a time, a few years ago, when we hung out a bit.  Although I know a lot about him, I really couldn't care less who he's sleeping with, personally.  That's between him and his God; and it shouldn't be up for discussion among the saints of God.

If you think he's sexually deviant or whatever, don't buy his music.  But, as I've said before, I'd LOVVVE to see your CD collection if you're only buying from those you believe don't have sexual struggles or issues or sins or deviations or whatever.

As Pastor Rob implied, carnality has no auxiliary.  It makes its way into the choir stand, the usher board, the pulpit, the business meetings, the outreach department, the musicians pit, and everywhere else.

[Furious Styles]

Here's the easy answer to a few questions asked of my so called generalizations. No I haven't slept with any of Rickey's choir members or Ricky. First off I don't like men. That ain't never been my struggle however it don't take discernment to see that Rickey ain't never had a wife in 42 years of manhood. Secondly scripture doesn't have to back up discernment and certain behaviors of sexual deviants. My statements didn't imply that Dillard and his "choir" were the only sexual deviants in the world. There's a connection to all of the young men that are coming forward in the catholic church about abuse. The light hasn't quite been exposed on the christian church yet. ORU's scandal has partially been swept under the wrong according the representatives of the three scorned professors..

The residue of sexual deviants hovers all around us in our perspective churches but we need "proof" to speak out against behaviors that we know are going on through gossip circles. To quote Steve Harvey, where are all these lil' christians coming from? Why is Aids the fastest killer of young African American women? If the article never mentioned this guy and revival in the same breath I would've just walked on by. It's just like me to pick a fight with people with machine guns and all I have is a box a rocks... Sure there are some choir members that are probably pure as the driven snow but I can assure you that my discernment in this issue isn't coming from some cliche' about choirs. I speak from a spiritual experience that the lord is still helping me guard myself in.

The term game recognize game is more appropriate here. If I hadn't struggled with sinning against my own temple then I wouldn't be able to speak to this issue. For the sake of a long post I will refer these thoughts roote in scriptural record. Is it not written that he that commits fornication sins against his own body? Is it not written that our bodies are the temple of the lord? Isn't the holy spirit's resting place in the temple(body) of the believer? Wasn't the viel of the temple rent in two as a symbol of God coming to dwell in the believer who freely recieves the holy spirit? Is it not written that Jesus told the pharasees that he would rebuild the temple in three days if it was destroyed? Of course he was talking about his physical body.. Here are the scripture references. I'll stop there. If you'd like a more indepth definition on this issue, I'd be happy to oblige. Secondly for the benefit of those who are spiritual and know where I'm coming from then forgive me for not acknowledging your gift of discernment.

I am very confident in my abilities to discern these types of havens in community choir scenes across the country because I was apart of it. Ex druggies can snuff out other stoners. Preachers can discern the spirits of other preachers. Musicians can discern the mannerisms of Musicians.... Ok enough I think I've made my point.. Your witness counsleors...

[LaylaMonroe]

Here's the easy answer to a few questions asked of my so called generalizations. No I haven't slept with any of Rickey's choir members or Ricky. First off I don't like men. That ain't never been my struggle however it don't take discernment to see that Rickey ain't never had a wife in 42 years of manhood. Secondly scripture doesn't have to back up discernment and certain behaviors of sexual deviants. My statements didn't imply that Dillard and his "choir" were the only sexual deviants in the world. There's a connection to all of the young men that are coming forward in the catholic church about abuse. The light hasn't quite been exposed on the christian church yet. ORU's scandal has partially been swept under the wrong according the representatives of the three scorned professors..

The residue of sexual deviants hovers all around us in our perspective churches but we need "proof" to speak out against behaviors that we know are going on through gossip circles. To quote Steve Harvey, where are all these lil' christians coming from? Why is Aids the fastest killer of young African American women? If the article never mentioned this guy and revival in the same breath I would've just walked on by. It's just like me to pick a fight with people with machine guns and all I have is a box a rocks... Sure there are some choir members that are probably pure as the driven snow but I can assure you that my discernment in this issue isn't coming from some cliche' about choirs. I speak from a spiritual experience that the lord is still helping me guard myself in.

The term game recognize game is more appropriate here. If I hadn't struggled with sinning against my own temple then I wouldn't be able to speak to this issue. For the sake of a long post I will refer these thoughts roote in scriptural record. Is it not written that he that commits fornication sins against his own body? Is it not written that our bodies are the temple of the lord? Isn't the holy spirit's resting place in the temple(body) of the believer? Wasn't the viel of the temple rent in two as a symbol of God coming to dwell in the believer who freely recieves the holy spirit? Is it not written that Jesus told the pharasees that he would rebuild the temple in three days if it was destroyed? Of course he was talking about his physical body.. Here are the scripture references. I'll stop there. If you'd like a more indepth definition on this issue, I'd be happy to oblige. Secondly for the benefit of those who are spiritual and know where I'm coming from then forgive me for not acknowledging your gift of discernment.

I am very confident in my abilities to discern these types of havens in community choir scenes across the country because I was apart of it. Ex druggies can snuff out other stoners. Preachers can discern the spirits of other preachers. Musicians can discern the mannerisms of Musicians.... Ok enough I think I've made my point.. Your witness counsleors...

LOL @ your witness, counselors... 

As usual, I see exactly where you're coming from.  I get it.  I get you.

HOWEVER, nothing you said justifies YOUR PARTICIPATION in the rumor mill, the gossip mill or whatever they're calling it these days.

And as for his never having had a wife.... ANDDDD??????  So what?  Do you know how many men DO have a wife and still ain't doing right?  That statement cracks me up!!!  So, when he gets married, the rumors will stop?  I think not.  Let me go one step further, do you know how many married men in the church suffer fall victim to those exact same accusations, whether true or false????  I mean... come on, FS, you're way smarter than that.  That's such a silly argument, man.

Anyway, I go back to my previous statement, if you haven't slept with Ricky or any of his choir members, it is sinful for you to contribute to this gossip by sharing your opinions, discernment, experience, or whatever it is that leads you to believe what you believe.  I'm not speaking on whether or not it's true.  I truly don't care who Ricky sleeps with.  What I'm speaking on is your repeating what you heard or deduced for all the world to see, based on something you don't know for a fact.

If I may digress for a moment, this - to me - is a large part of what is wrong with the church today.  So many people SAY things they have no business saying, and people... REAL human people... REAL souls... REAL children of the King.... are being hurt behind it.  If you discern it, fine.  Does that mean you have to say it aloud???  To someone other than the person in question????  Everything you see in the spirit ain't meant to be said in the mic. 

I said all that to say this: if your source for this information is simply that game recognizes game, for the kingdom's sake, you need to keep that to yourself.  Otherwise, it's just messy, meanspirited gossip. 

[sjonathan02]

Even though I believe this thread should SERIOUSLY die already, and even though he and I usually end up on the opposite side of the fence, I must speak up for FS.


He was asked why he felt the way he felt.

His initial post:

This is str8 garbage.... Sorry but its true. Marketing ploys I tell ya...

His response when asked about his initial post:

I'm just not a fan of shameless plugs.. Revial and Rickey Dillard are an oxymoron for me... I'm just sayin tho'

After that, folks were all kinds of whatever and WANTED FS to explain his position.

Now, you're upset with his explanation AND clarification? 


I'm reminded of the phrase, "Let sleeping dogs(like this thread)die."

But, I know you.

[LaylaMonroe]

Even though I believe this thread should SERIOUSLY die already, and even though he and I usually end up on the opposite side of the fence, I must speak up for FS.


He was asked why he felt the way he felt.

His initial post:


His response when asked about his initial post:


After that, folks were all kinds of whatever and WANTED FS to explain his position.

Now, you're upset with his explanation AND clarification? 


I'm reminded of the phrase, "Let sleeping dogs(like this thread)die."

But, I know you.

I'm not upset at all, and I'm not sure (and don't care) what would lead you to believe that I am.  Perhaps it's because often when people approach a subject from opposite sides of the spectrum, it is assumed that this is negative or should be avoided, for some reason.  I enjoy healthy debate, and FS has said that he does as well.  I don't get all up in arms over it as long as the discussion is respectful and intelligent.

I'm discussing this with FS because (as he knows) I thoroughly enjoy debating with him.  I would talk about ants and paper napkins with him because I just like him that much, and because I enjoy hearing his points of view (and mostly, I enjoy the smart, at-ease, cool, collected, and respectful way that he interacts with me).

As with any other open thread, if "folks" are tired of the debate, discussion, banter, whatever... "folks" don't have to follow it. 

Have a GRRRRRRREAT day!! 

[sjonathan02]

I'm not upset at all, and I'm not sure (and don't care) what would lead you to believe that I am.  Perhaps it's because often when people approach a subject from opposite sides of the spectrum, it is assumed that this is negative or should be avoided, for some reason.  I enjoy healthy debate, and FS has said that he does as well.  I don't get all up in arms over it as long as the discussion is respectful and intelligent.

I'm discussing this with FS because (as he knows) I thoroughly enjoy debating with him.  I would talk about ants and paper napkins with him because I just like him that much, and because I enjoy hearing his points of view (and mostly, I enjoy the smart, at-ease, cool, collected, and respectful way that he interacts with me).

As with any other open thread, if "folks" are tired of the debate, discussion, banter, whatever... "folks" don't have to follow it. 

Have a GRRRRRRREAT day!! 

PWWWWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

It's FRIDAY; ain't no need to be so defensive, sis. 

[LaylaMonroe]

PWWWWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

It's FRIDAY; ain't no need to be so defensive, sis. 

**SMH, cracking up, singing my favorite Alanis Morrisette tune**