Are you Still Transposing?

[themidiroom]

i hope i dont start anything crazy.. but i TOTALLY DISAGREE... transposing has actually been a tool that has helped me learn all my keyz... abstractkeyz

Years ago, I played keybass at a church and their minister of music transposed everything.  Initially I thought he was really good until I found out he was only good in one key.  He was really sloppy with it too.  He would frequently forget to adjust between songs.  When I started at my current church, I transposed until I learned enough songs to make it through service.  My goal was and is to learn the songs in the right keys and be able to improvise or even transpose on the fly if someone does a solo in the wrong key.  While I don't get mad at musicians that transpose, it isn't professional to use it as a crutch.

[T-Block]

i hope i dont start anything crazy.. but i TOTALLY DISAGREE... transposing has actually been a tool that has helped me learn all my keyz... abstractkeyz

How did you use transpose to learn all your keys?  Just curious.

[momuzik]

Years ago, I played keybass at a church ....

Don't mean to sound ignorant, but what is a keybass?

[themidiroom]

Don't mean to sound ignorant, but what is a keybass?

Keybass is just a name for playing the bass lines on a keyboard.  I used to play in a gospel quartet and the bassist quit so I started playing his part and it stuck. 

[Wash]

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Definitely is.

[Wash]

Man, I want to be like all of yall when I get older!! LOL!!!  AND THATS A REAL RAPP!!!  Bishop Cole

You go Bishop.

[Runs_N_12_Keys]

Keybass is just a name for playing the bass lines on a keyboard.  I used to play in a gospel quartet and the bassist quit so I started playing his part and it stuck. 

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[keyz28]

well how i learned.. was i used to transpose to force myself to play in the uncommon keyz.. .like D, E, A, B,  like i said... i disagree with this forum... i have used transpose to help me learn my keyz..  like when i used to be on keyboard.. my organist would be in Ab and i would put myself in A.... so when we both sat down on a real piano... i wouldnt embarass myself... here is a clip of me playin in the key of D natural                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETxg2meEagw

[themidiroom]

well how i learned.. was i used to transpose to force myself to play in the uncommon keyz.. .like D, E, A, B,  like i said... i disagree with this forum... i have used transpose to help me learn my keyz..  like when i used to be on keyboard.. my organist would be in Ab and i would put myself in A.... so when we both sat down on a real piano... i wouldnt embarass myself... here is a clip of me playin in the key of D natural                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETxg2meEagw

Hmmmm That actually makes a lot of sense.  I suppose the main issue musicians have with others transposing is the fact that most of us put in the time to learn all the keys.  Musicians that transpose so they only have to learn one key are just cheating. 

[BimmerFan99]

I think the consensus is that using the transpose feature as a crutch is a problem.  If you use it as a learning tool or maybe every blue moon when you're in a bind, that's one thing.  If you only play in C and rely on the transpose key to get you through service, then that's another.

Either way, the only person it's going to affect is you the musician.  If you don't take the time to learn your keys, you are only hindering yourself.

[themidiroom]

I think the consensus is that using the transpose feature as a crutch is a problem.  If you use it as a learning tool or maybe every blue moon when you're in a bind, that's one thing.  If you only play in C and rely on the transpose key to get you through service, then that's another.

Either way, the only person it's going to affect is you the musician.  If you don't take the time to learn your keys, you are only hindering yourself.

Like Bishop Cole says THATS A RAPP!!

[kenlacam]

I couldn't transpose if I wanted to, because Hammonds don't have that option, but....



transposing IS a personal choice, and it is not a sin.....

[PianoWizard]

Welcome to the LGM family "kenlacam".....Be Blessed.

PianoWiz...

[Rjthakid]

I couldn't transpose if I wanted to, because Hammonds don't have that option, but....



transposing IS a personal choice, and it is not a sin.....

Nobody said it was a sin.  If someone got up and sang Total Praise in B, and I was in a service, I'd reach for that Transpose.

But as Bimmerfan99 said:

If you use it as a learning tool or maybe every blue moon when you're in a bind, that's one thing.  If you only play in C and rely on the transpose key to get you through service, then that's another.

That's the bottomline.

[under13]

  If someone got up and sang Total Praise in B, and I was in a service, I'd reach for that Transpose.

And if you were on the organ w/ no transpose???

There are two ways you could pull that off: know the theory and mentaly transpose the notes down a couple of keys or get VERY familiar with the keyboard and just know where the notes are located. The singers would not have a problem singing it in B So why should we. The same way they know where the notes are in thier voice we should know where the notes are on the keyboard. It may take a while but the more you work on your ear and listen and practice you will be able to play anything in any key

I could never use a transposed keyboard cuz i'd be reaching for certain notes and would end up with the wrong notes because they were not in the place they belong. Imagine how a cook would feel if you rearanged thier kitchen,  or how a preacher would feel if you rearanged the books in his bible, he would reach for revealation and find Proverbs.

Am I making sense?   Thats just how i feel

When you start to play in service with a band full of top notch musicians and preachers, the transpose wont work for you these guys will leave you in the dust while your messin w/ the t-pose tyin to find the key they are in

my 3 cents

[themidiroom]

I could never use a transposed keyboard cuz i'd be reaching for certain notes and would end up with the wrong notes because they were not in the place they belong. Imagine how a cook would feel if you rearanged thier kitchen,  or how a preacher would feel if you rearanged the books in his bible, he would reach for revealation and find

I had to transpose a song at a wedding because the singer couldn't reach the high notes.  It felt weird but I pulled it off. 

[kenlacam]

This is a VERy interesting topic, indeed. In the many years of playing (and I'm ashamed to admit this)but there are still several keys that I just don't feel comfortable in for various songs. For example, if somone started singing "Total Praise" in B nat, I'd be totally lost, and have to mentally figure out how to make it work. I guess that's where practice comes into play...(P.S.) B Nat is not one of my fave keys, as well as A nat, D nat, and E nat......Lord Forgive me!

[themidiroom]

This is a VERy interesting topic, indeed. In the many years of playing (and I'm ashamed to admit this)but there are still several keys that I just don't feel comfortable in for various songs. For example, if somone started singing "Total Praise" in B nat, I'd be totally lost, and have to mentally figure out how to make it work. I guess that's where practice comes into play...(P.S.) B Nat is not one of my fave keys, as well as A nat, D nat, and E nat......Lord Forgive me!

I know the feeling.  I would probably think in terms of the pattern and apply it to the key you're playing in.  I'm not a huge fan of the key of B either but having played plenty Stevie Wonder songs, I can get by. 

[chevonee]

This is a VERy interesting topic, indeed. In the many years of playing (and I'm ashamed to admit this)but there are still several keys that I just don't feel comfortable in for various songs. For example, if somone started singing "Total Praise" in B nat, I'd be totally lost, and have to mentally figure out how to make it work. I guess that's where practice comes into play...(P.S.) B Nat is not one of my fave keys, as well as A nat, D nat, and E nat......Lord Forgive me!

Please don't feel bad. Everyone of us have struggled to get where we are. Only a few people can sit at a keyboard and instantly play without any training or theory. But as for people like you and I who desire to get better there's places like this
http://www.learngospelmusic.com/forums/index.php/topic,42768.0.html
That will help you on your way. Just read over the basic theory link and try to apply it the best you can. If you get stuck then please ask someone for help. This site was created to help people LEARN how to be the best at what they do. God bless!!!

[amandaag]

How did you use transpose to learn all your keys?  Just curious.

that's what i wanna know....