Chevonne is burning on the New England Patriots

[chevonee]

On Sunday who ya got? Steelers vs Pats

[sjonathan02]

On Sunday who ya got? Steelers vs Pats

The Pats have shown that they can overcome adversity, so until they're beaten, I choose them.

[Bruh Kell]

I don't know about NO way; but, it'd be an interesting matchup.


And, be careful, sounds like you're trying to put the 85 Bears D up there with the 'Steel Curtain' D of the 70s Steelers. 

No I'm not...........The Steel Curtain had backups that shut people down! Don' go there wit me Sjon I woldn't put nobody up there wit' dem!

[sjonathan02]

No I'm not...........The Steel Curtain had backups that shut people down! Don' go there wit me Sjon I woldn't put nobody up there wit' dem!

You've said other crazy things so I just figured I get clarification.

[reg1985]

i want steelers to win

[Bruh Kell]

They could...........because the safeties would HAVE to play two deep (unless they want Randy to burn them) so some of the 46 is gone right their.  New England spreads the field out a lot so Singletary and Marshall would be forced to play coverage smetimes.  They wouldn't blitz as much due to the threat of maroney burning them.  Also, most of NE's plays come from the shotgun/pistol, giving Brady some more time. SO basically you got 5 OL's plus an ocassional RB blocking the front 4.  You see that the team that actually relied on passing (the dolphins) were the only ones to beat them, and that receiving core aint got Randy Moss......................

Don't blame that on passing!

It took one of the Greatest minds in Pro Footbal history in Don Shula calling plays with one of the greatest arms in history in the game Dan Marino.

Don Shula was able to put anything together with any team against any team. Belichick is a great mind in Football but nobody is Don Shula!

Except Don Shula!

[sjonathan02]

Don't blame that on passing!

It took one of the Greatest minds in Pro Footbal history in Don Shula calling plays with one of the greatest arms in history in the game Dan Marino.

Don Shula was able to put anything together with any team against any team. Belichick is a great mind in Football but nobody is Don Shula!

Except Don Shula!

See? Back to the crazy talk again. What are you trying to say?

[Bruh Kell]

See? Back to the crazy talk again. What are you trying to say?

Now Sjon.........What part of this is crazy? There's no way The Pats could play the way they've played in past weeks and stand a chance against Buddy Ryans D'

They could...........because the safeties would HAVE to play two deep (unless they want Randy to burn them) so some of the 46 is gone right their.  New England spreads the field out a lot so Singletary and Marshall would be forced to play coverage smetimes.  They wouldn't blitz as much due to the threat of maroney burning them.  Also, most of NE's plays come from the shotgun/pistol, giving Brady some more time. SO basically you got 5 OL's plus an ocassional RB blocking the front 4.  You see that the team that actually relied on passing (the dolphins) were the only ones to beat them, and that receiving core aint got Randy Moss......................

Often times we think in terms of "THE OFFENSE IS JOKER".............The "46" wasn't about answering the offenses moves....it was about the offense answering their moves.

The main thing about the "46" was the thought that "YOU BETTER NOT SPREAD OUT UNLESS YOU WANT THE QB TO DIE!!!!!"

The front seven was fast enough to get to the QB before the WRs could get any separation.......
Just look at the highlight reels......those QBs were on the turf before they could set their feet to throw.

So cross out that thought of throwing it to the RBs.......They gotta stay back and at least keep the QB in good enough shape to wake up th next morning!

[sjonathan02]

Now Sjon.........What part of this is crazy? There's no way The Pats could play the way they've played in past weeks and stand a chance against Buddy Ryans D'

Often times we think in terms of "THE OFFENSE IS JOKER".............The "46" wasn't about answering the offenses moves....it was about the offense answering their moves.

The main thing about the "46" was the thought that "YOU BETTER NOT SPREAD OUT UNLESS YOU WANT THE QB TO DIE!!!!!"

The front seven was fast enough to get to the QB before the WRs could get any separation.......
Just look at the highlight reels......those QBs were on the turf before they could set their feet to throw.

So cross out that thought of throwing it to the RBs.......They gotta stay back and at least keep the QB in good enough shape to wake up th next morning!

You're cute with only looking at the Pats for the last three weeks.


As for the 85 Bears D vs. the '07 Pats offense, there's no way to tell. All we have is our opinion(s) on the matter.


But, I'll say this; the Pats, as it stands right now, are undefeated. The Bears lost one game that year.

Somebody figured out that vaunted '46' D.

[Metronome]

Randy Moss is light years in front of ANY receiver that that bears d played............Irving Fryar in the Super bowl? NO! Marinos boys? NO! Okay lets say that NE goes double tights wit a single back.......I STILL take Randy Moss over their corner..........in the 46 that safety is tooooo lose to the line to get back into coverage............and whiles hes no Jim Brown, Laurence Maroney still has to be respected in the play action.  There aren't that many coners all time that can see Randy one on one deep..............and the bears corners got covered up for by a killer front 7.  A lot of defenses have that happen......The Bears defense was good...........probably the best.........but not by far like everybody thinks they were

[sjonathan02]

Randy Moss is light years in front of ANY receiver that that bears d played............Irving Fryar in the Super bowl? NO! Marinos boys? NO! Okay lets say that NE goes double tights wit a single back.......I STILL take Randy Moss over their corner..........in the 46 that safety is tooooo lose to the line to get back into coverage............and whiles hes no Jim Brown, Laurence Maroney still has to be respected in the play action.  There aren't that many coners all time that can see Randy one on one deep..............and the bears corners got covered up for by a killer front 7.  A lot of defenses have that happen......The Bears defense was good...........probably the best.........but not by far like everybody thinks they were

School 'im, mane!!! 

[Bruh Kell]

Randy Moss is light years in front of ANY receiver that that bears d played............Irving Fryar in the Super bowl? NO! Marinos boys? NO! Okay lets say that NE goes double tights wit a single back.......I STILL take Randy Moss over their corner..........in the 46 that safety is tooooo lose to the line to get back into coverage............and whiles hes no Jim Brown, Laurence Maroney still has to be respected in the play action.  There aren't that many coners all time that can see Randy one on one deep..............and the bears corners got covered up for by a killer front 7.  A lot of defenses have that happen......The Bears defense was good...........probably the best.........but not by far like everybody thinks they were

Of course......anybody's gonna take Randy over the Corner. But time and again it's been proven that all you have to do is double him. If you double Moss he often has a bad game. The Pats won't have anybody gettin' loose fast enough for Brady to get the Ball off.

And no I'm sorry but Maroney...............wait,wait,wait.......PLAYACTION PASSES WOULD GET YOU KILLED AGAINST THE '85 BEARS!!!

It's not just the Blitz......It's the respct of the Blitz.......For the '85 Bears it worked like a defensive playaction.......

Here they are lined up 7 across and then they only rush 1.......WHO WOULD GET TO THE QB!!!......The RBs would be left blocking nobody!

You're still ignoring what the D' does......You seem to be in thought that the Bears would bend.....But aggressive playcalling is how they caused the offenses to bend and audible out!

[Bruh Kell]

ARE WE PLAYING CYBER FOOTBALL???

[Metronome]

School 'im, mane!!! 

For real though.................this is sports.  ALL ABOUT MATCHUPS!!!!  In order to play the Pats you GOTTA have some serious athleticism at ya DB's (Baltimore and Philly :-)).  I dont care how good ya front seven is (Dallas).  Take the 2000 Ravens......you had Tony Siragusa and Sam Adams on the line, Ray Lewis, Peter Boulware, and Adalius Thomas on the LB squad.  Rod Woodson (HOF) and Chris McCallister at DB...........They could at least tame the receivers enough to let the front 7 work.thats the one thing you never hear about a bears D, their DB's. Even the old Bucs defense with Simeon Rice, Jonh Lynch, Ronde Barber, Dexter jackson, Warren Sapp and thhose boys would have a shot with the Pats

[Bruh Kell]

For real though.................this is sports.  ALL ABOUT MATCHUPS!!!!  In order to play the Pats you GOTTA have some serious athleticism at ya DB's (Baltimore and Philly :-)).  I dont care how good ya front seven is (Dallas).  Take the 2000 Ravens......you had Tony Siragusa and Sam Adams on the line, Ray Lewis, Peter Boulware, and Adalius Thomas on the LB squad.  Rod Woodson (HOF) and Chris McCallister at DB...........They could at least tame the receivers enough to let the front 7 work.thats the one thing you never hear about a bears D, their DB's. Even the old Bucs defense with Simeon Rice, Jonh Lynch, Ronde Barber, Dexter jackson, Warren Sapp and thhose boys would have a shot with the Pats

The two of us have very different outlooks on Football. I guess that's why they call the ultimate TEAM game.

You like matchups! that's good they go a good distance.

But the team that beat the Bears that year was the team that could avoid their rush! Nobody beat their DBs 'cause they didn't have time to get open! Do you honestly think the Dolphins had the best reciving core at that time..........I don't think so....that must've been S.F. AND THEY HAD THE GREATEST!!!!

Oh yeah S.F. was held to 10 points that year........... And please don't compare Moss to Rice..........ever!!!

By the way.......................Adailus Thomas played in 3 games and tallied 1 tackle in 2000. that other LB was Jamie Sharper!!!!

Gotta ha' yo history straight if you gon' make reference of matchups!!!

Oh yeah and how many games did B'More loose that year?
And Chicago of '85 lost 1!
AND NEITHER TEAM HAD MUCH OF AN OFFENSE TO SPEAK OF!
So don't compair The '00 Ravens D' to the '85 Bears D'!

[sjonathan02]

The two of us have very different outlooks on Football. I guess that's why they call the ultimate TEAM game.

You like matchups! that's good they go a good distance.

But the team that beat the Bears that year was the team that could avoid their rush! Nobody beat their DBs 'cause they didn't have time to get open! Do you honestly think the Dolphins had the best reciving core at that time..........I don't think so....that must've been S.F. AND THEY HAD THE GREATEST!!!!

Oh yeah S.F. was held to 10 points that year........... And please don't compare Moss to Rice..........ever!!!

By the way.......................Adailus Thomas played in 3 games and tallied 1 tackle in 2000. that other LB was Jamie Sharper!!!!

Gotta ha' yo history straight if you gon' make reference of matchups!!!

Oh yeah and how many games did B'More loose that year?
And Chicago of '85 lost 1!
AND NEITHER TEAM HAD MUCH OF AN OFFENSE TO SPEAK OF!
So don't compair The '00 Ravens D' to the '85 Bears D'!

Brady in that shotgun, plus chippin' a lineman before going out into the flat is enough to slow down the Bears D.

And, just win they think they'll jump the pass out in the flat.....BOOM, Wes Welker (who's speed is underrated) OR Donte Stallworth (who's fast enough) catch the pass on a crossing route (with some decent YAC  )


And, just when you think you have that figured out.....BAM!, ya hit Randy burnin' the snot outta the safety for '6'. 

You said the ONE thing that ends this argument and tips the scale in the Pats favor (not that there aren't others, but for the sake of time):


The Bears offense was offensive (as in horrible).

Jim MacMahon; really?


Pats win, in a close one, 17-14


BTW, the 2000 Ravens were 12-4. Four teams figured out THEIR D, too.


Oh, and you make another point, how can the 'Fins of '85 manage a feat NO other team could that year (this is the season with Montana and Rice, mind you), but you give the Pats NO shot. What ARE you smokin'?

[reg1985]

stallworth gots to be the fastest on the team i remember when he played for the saints he smoked the whole d

[Bruh Kell]

Brady in that shotgun, plus chippin' a lineman before going out into the flat is enough to slow down the Bears D.

WHAT???

And, just win they think they'll jump the pass out in the flat.....BOOM, Wes Welker (who's speed is underrated) OR Donte Stallworth (who's fast enough) catch the pass on a crossing route (with some decent YAC  )

This might actually work!

And, just when you think you have that figured out.....BAM!, ya hit Randy burnin' the snot outta the safety for '6'.

Excuse me......If they even thought about goin' deep on the Bears the trainors would be scrapin' ol' Tommy Boy off the turf!

BTW, the 2000 Ravens were 12-4. Four teams figured out THEIR D, too.

My point here was that the '85 Bears D' was better than the '00 Ravens D'......as evidenced by 4 losses to only 1! without the offense!

[sjonathan02]

Excuse me......If they even thought about goin' deep on the Bears the trainors would be scrapin' ol' Tommy Boy off the turf!

You simply give NO credence or credit to the O line of the Patriots. That's your downfall.

[funkStrat_97]

i want steelers to win

You can see from Avatar where my loyalties lie.  Pittsburgh all the way!!!