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Offline Virtuenow

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Does anybody play like this?
« on: December 25, 2007, 02:46:41 AM »
The question is, does anyone play in that Mahalia Jackson style?  My pastor wants me to play like that sometimes (when I get my beginner shoes off).  There are a bunch more vids of her on youtube.com; check out one if you would like to see the style I am speaking of.  This style has a lot of layers to it.  I cannot begin to think of how to learn it as I am still learning basic songs.

Additional questions:

1.  What is the name of that piano style?
2.  What are the basic patterns or progressions used in this style
3.  What are the basic scales used (like I would understand the answer!)

Mahalia Jackson (Piano emphasis):
   "Didn't It Rain, Children"
  "Joshua Fit the Battle Jericho"
  "How I Got Over" (see, 3:45++)

Two People trying to play Mahalia (they did okay, what do u think?):
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Re: Does anybody play like this?
« Reply #1 on: December 25, 2007, 07:01:47 AM »
T-Block/moderator, can you fix this post when u get a chance?  I cannot find the modify button --and question its existence.  I would like the first post deleted and replaced with the second post.  Thanks T!

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Re: Does anybody play like this?
« Reply #2 on: December 25, 2007, 08:12:28 AM »
T-Block/moderator, can you fix this post when u get a chance?  I cannot find the modify button --and question its existence.  I would like the first post deleted and replaced with the second post.  Thanks T!

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Re: Does anybody play like this?
« Reply #3 on: December 25, 2007, 10:11:48 AM »
That's the Boogie Woogie and Blues style. It was mostly Boogie Woogie though.

Boogie Woogie:

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Re: Does anybody play like this?
« Reply #4 on: December 25, 2007, 04:46:22 PM »
Thanks B3 & T-Block.  T-Block, I asked u about this before but I am looking for a more in depth response.  I think "Blues" or "Boogie-wookie" sounds right.  I didn't think that her style would be coined as such- but it sounds appropriate. 

I thought it was some special gospel genre that I did not know about.  Does anybody play like this anymore? 

Is this how people used to play gospel back in the day?  I know early Ray Charles had a similar sound and he said he pulled his style from gospel music.  However, his music just sounds like "blues" to me.  If what he is saying is true, then this music was probably called "gospel" before it ever got the blues/boogie name.

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Re: Does anybody play like this?
« Reply #5 on: December 25, 2007, 07:20:36 PM »
yup, dat  be boogie woo
Thanks B3 & T-Block.  T-Block, I asked u about this before but I am looking for a more in depth response.  I think "Blues" or "Boogie-wookie" sounds right.  I didn't think that her style would be coined as such- but it sounds appropriate. 

I thought it was some special gospel genre that I did not know about.  Does anybody play like this anymore? 

Is this how people used to play gospel back in the day?  I know early Ray Charles had a similar sound and he said he pulled his style from gospel music.  However, his music just sounds like "blues" to me.  If what he is saying is true, then this music was probably called "gospel" before it ever got the blues/boogie name.


uh, boogie-"wookie"?




watchin them folk (look like dey was hammered) in the 1st mahalia clip wuz funny...

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Re: Does anybody play like this?
« Reply #6 on: December 25, 2007, 08:51:01 PM »
Yeah, Wolfman, that was a typo.  It should say "Boogie woogie" (although I do find wookies to be amusing- but not like my music).  Anyway- do you have any substantive advice or answers to offer? 

About the clips...I think that first guy was playing in two different keys.  It sounds like his bass was consistently in a different key than the chords.  I get the idea- but he was definitely off key!  The lady had too much going on in the background but she sounded pretty good, huh!  Those were the only clips I could find.  Someone here should post a clip of the style, and show us how it should be done.  Unless people just can't play in this style!

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Re: Does anybody play like this?
« Reply #7 on: December 25, 2007, 10:06:39 PM »
Thanks B3 & T-Block.  T-Block, I asked u about this before but I am looking for a more in depth response.  I think "Blues" or "Boogie-wookie" sounds right.  I didn't think that her style would be coined as such- but it sounds appropriate. 

I thought it was some special gospel genre that I did not know about.  Does anybody play like this anymore? 

Is this how people used to play gospel back in the day?  I know early Ray Charles had a similar sound and he said he pulled his style from gospel music.  However, his music just sounds like "blues" to me.  If what he is saying is true, then this music was probably called "gospel" before it ever got the blues/boogie name.

Ray Charles took the words of black hymns (Negro Spirituals; it wasn't called "Gospel" then) and played blues behind them.

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Re: Does anybody play like this?
« Reply #8 on: December 25, 2007, 10:58:05 PM »
I think you have it backwards.  Case in point: "I got a woman, way over town, that's good to me"...Those are the words to one of Ray Charles' early songs.  Remember the movie when he played that part and his wife said something about him playing "Gods music"- and she was angry b/c he changed the words. (I know the movie is not real life but it is based on his life story by his account).  It appears he kept the same music from black hyms and just changed the words. 

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Re: Does anybody play like this?
« Reply #9 on: December 26, 2007, 12:03:12 AM »
truth be told, a lot of them chords from early "devotional" songs and blues were (and are) interchangable.

"Glory, glory, Hallelujah" for example, remove the lyrics, put a harmonica in there, and u got a blues song.(not nec. blues form, but u get the idea.)

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Re: Does anybody play like this?
« Reply #10 on: December 26, 2007, 12:20:03 AM »
I'm trying to figure out exactly how your pastor is expecting you to incorporate this kind of music into your worship service... do y'all have an AARP-type membership?  And are you going to be using this style with contemporary songs, just changing the music, or introducing boogie-woogie/bluesy type songs?

I'm stumped on this one...
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Re: Does anybody play like this?
« Reply #11 on: December 26, 2007, 07:59:17 AM »
Thanks B3 & T-Block.  T-Block, I asked u about this before but I am looking for a more in depth response.  I think "Blues" or "Boogie-wookie" sounds right.  I didn't think that her style would be coined as such- but it sounds appropriate. 

I thought it was some special gospel genre that I did not know about.  Does anybody play like this anymore? 

Is this how people used to play gospel back in the day?  I know early Ray Charles had a similar sound and he said he pulled his style from gospel music.  However, his music just sounds like "blues" to me.  If what he is saying is true, then this music was probably called "gospel" before it ever got the blues/boogie name.

O.K. Virtuenow, me let explain (to the best of my music knowledge) a little bit what's going on here.  For the most part, this style of music uses very basic chords, but you just playing them 10x faster than normal so it seems like more is being played than it really is.  You remember that post on Congregational Songs I did in the Piano Room?  Well, I got on there alternating minor 1 and minor 2 chords.  A lot of that is being played in this music, along with an accompanied bass line and the pentatonic scale for improvisation purposes.

That goes for the songs in major keys.  On the songs in minor keys, they still use basic chords, but it's mostly minor 1, minor 4, then that dominant 7th chord to get back to the beginning.  I'd say bout 80% of the hymns used these chords because they were passed down during the slavery days.  So, it got that depressing waiting-to-be-delivered tone to the music.

I believe the purpose of this style of music back in the day was to be as simple as possible so that the lyrics of the song overshadowed the instrumental music that accompanied it.  Of course, just because they only playing basic chords don't mean they couldn't put no "stank" on it, LOL.  Plus, that pentatonic scale being played in octaves really high on the piano while running the bass in the LH made for some spectacular improvisation moments.

There are people who still play like this, mainly the people who grew up in this era and learned this style of music.  Music hasn't really changed that much, except for the addition of more altered chords and fancier runs.  It's all in how you play whether or not a particular style can be conveyed.  I would do a post on it, but I'm not sure if I can effectively teach this right now.  Maybe later I'll come up wit something.
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Re: Does anybody play like this?
« Reply #12 on: December 26, 2007, 09:16:59 PM »
Thanks T-Block- I noticed this stlye of playing sounds really fast and the piano players' hands are moving really fast when they play.  It looks really difficult.  Your explanation really breaks it down- along w/those videos. 

LaRue, I believe this style can be played along w/your general congregational songs/hyms- listen to a few of those Mahalia songs, and you will see what I'm talking about.  One popular song I have heard the style of keyboarding with is, "This Little Light of Mine".  As far as an AARP crowd, I think you can jazz up your playing and make it appealing to any age group.

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Re: Does anybody play like this?
« Reply #13 on: December 26, 2007, 10:33:56 PM »
Thanks T-Block- I noticed this stlye of playing sounds really fast and the piano players' hands are moving really fast when they play.  It looks really difficult.  Your explanation really breaks it down- along w/those videos. 

LaRue, I believe this style can be played along w/your general congregational songs/hyms- listen to a few of those Mahalia songs, and you will see what I'm talking about.  One popular song I have heard the style of keyboarding with is, "This Little Light of Mine".  As far as an AARP crowd, I think you can jazz up your playing and make it appealing to any age group.

Oh yeah, I'm very familiar with Mahalia.  I have quite a few of her remastered CDs, along with a greatest hits collection.  I just can't quite visualize how it would work in a contemporary service.

But, don't pay me no mind, hon... I'm not a musician, so I don't understand what y'all are talking about anyway... lol.  :D
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Re: Does anybody play like this?
« Reply #14 on: December 26, 2007, 10:50:33 PM »
a. doesn't think Mahalia is all that. :-\

b. wonders what LaIhavenomusicalskillswhatsoeverRue is doing in the Music Hangout section of LGM. She must have gotten lost on her way to the LGM Political Forum.  ::) :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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Re: Does anybody play like this?
« Reply #15 on: December 26, 2007, 11:02:33 PM »
a. doesn't think Mahalia is all that. :-\

b. wonders what LaIhavenomusicalskillswhatsoeverRue is doing in the Music Hangout section of LGM. She must have gotten lost on her way to the LGM Political Forum.  ::) :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

a. Say whaaaaat?????   :D :D :D  Move On Up a Little Higher was a masterpiece!!  LOL!

b. I'm trying to broaden my horizons a lil bit... LOL.

Naw, just kidding... I always come over here.  Just don't usually have anything to say since I have no musical skills whatsoever... LOL.  I also frequent the drummers, organists, MOMs, keyboardists/pianists, bassists, and guitarists... so  :P    ;D :D
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Re: Does anybody play like this?
« Reply #16 on: December 27, 2007, 01:42:53 AM »
A special soloist perhaps...a couple of songs...not the whole service  :o

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Re: Does anybody play like this?
« Reply #17 on: December 27, 2007, 05:12:59 PM »
I thought that sounded a bit "Woogie Boogie" & Woogie Bluey" :D
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