Fantasia - Taking it back 2 Gospel

[under13]

Ummm not really.   I did play at a church and they had a M3.  I didn't think that thing would ever start.  I had to hold the start switch for at least 30 seconds.

Yesterday, after playing the organ for about 2 minutes, it made a funny sound and cut off. So I held the switch longer and it played OK. I thought it was gonna be broken all day

[jdholliday]

THis threaD seems to have gotten to be Anointing vs giftedness.

Fantasia sound the notes out of that song! Whew! I'm with J31, the dress wasn't at all modest.

I can't say whether she is anointed or gifted. I don't watch her or really know much about her, except that she's a B-A-B-Y  M-A-M-A.

The anointing will draw others to Christ. The anointing will glorify God.

But here's a question----David was anointed King. This same anointed David slept with another man's wife and tried to cover up a murder by having a man killed. Was David not anointed? So my question would be---is it not possible for Fantasia to be anointed?

Being anointed is not being perfect, if it meant that none of us would be . So that being said, it is possible for her to be anointed, but if she is not walking in it she would not be pleasing to the giver of the anointing.

[LaylaMonroe]

Being anointed is not being perfect, if it meant that none of us would be . So that being said, it is possible for her to be anointed, but if she is not walking in it she would not be pleasing to the giver of the anointing.

I can say AMEN to that.

And on a sidenote, in chat the other night, we briefly discussed what it means to walk worthy of your calling, etc....

[themidiroom]

Yesterday, after playing the organ for about 2 minutes, it made a funny sound and cut off. So I held the switch longer and it played OK. I thought it was gonna be broken all day

Did you turn of the run switch first?   I think you can break the linkage to the run motor if you don't.  I could be wrong though.

[under13]

Did you turn of the run switch first?   I think you can break the linkage to the run motor if you don't.  I could be wrong though.

I did it the normal way. But I didnt count so maybe I did not hold it long enough. You're supposed to hold the Start switch for 8 seconds and the run for 4 seconds. and after that it usually takes our organ about 20 seconds to start making sounds.

[SisterT]

That question I posed came to mind after reading some of the post saying she was not anointed. Leading out was your comment in response to the one that said Fantasia was anointed:

Don't confuse anointing with being gifted. This is often done in the BOC, we must learn the difference even in Gospel artist.

Point is, there is a possibility that she is an anointed singer, as you said in the response to my question:

Being anointed is not being perfect, if it meant that none of us would be . So that being said, it is possible for her to be anointed, but if she is not walking in it she would not be pleasing to the giver of the anointing.

I agree.

[J31]

THis threaD seems to have gotten to be Anointing vs giftedness.

Fantasia sound the notes out of that song! Whew! I'm with J31, the dress wasn't at all modest.

I can't say whether she is anointed or gifted. I don't watch her or really know much about her, except that she's a B-A-B-Y  M-A-M-A.

The anointing will draw others to Christ. The anointing will glorify God.

But here's a question----David was anointed King. This same anointed David slept with another man's wife and tried to cover up a murder by having a man killed. Was David not anointed? So my question would be---is it not possible for Fantasia to be anointed?

My short thesis is NO she was not anointed.

Another understanding to have here ( Momma T I am not suggesting you or anyone else lacks this understanding) is the levels or types of anointings that occur or that one can have at any giving time.

There is most often seen a type of anointing:

Poured - This is what often happens on Sunday - it evaporates, it is not a lasting anointing
Smeared or Spread - this is the type of anointing most referenced in the bible primarily in instances of healing etc..
Rubbed - This is the Ultimate anointing it has to do with  a "saturation" or highly concentrated resevoir. It is not just the presence of God over a person( possible what occured with Fantasia) or an audience ( Sunday when you feel the Spirit move in a place and then as quickly as it comes, it can leave) but, it is in you and abides in you.

This ultimate anointing is what I am speaking of when I said Fantasia, the person, is not anointed because this anointing can not and would not abide in her.


Now it is possible, that because God is God, he would not have flesh to glory in his sight nor would he allow the enemy to shine. It is possible that the anointing could overtake her in that situation but that is not of her own nor is it a result of her persuit of the anointing as she ministered( note I am sure her mindset was not to minister but to simply perform . So rather than sacrafice the people of God to be confused by this fruitless act, The Holy Ghost overtook the atmosphere.

BTJM

 

[themidiroom]

I did it the normal way. But I didnt count so maybe I did not hold it long enough. You're supposed to hold the Start switch for 8 seconds and the run for 4 seconds. and after that it usually takes our organ about 20 seconds to start making sounds.

If you can, listen to the motor when you flip the start switch and when you hear the motor reach it's maximum speed, then hit the run switch.   It takes a moment for the Leslie to cycle through the low and high speeds and the 6550 tubes have to warm up.  I'm also a stickler for playing the organ at low then moderate volume for the first few minutes.

[LaylaMonroe]

I can't wait until the day that we can all sit around with Jesus and have this conversation...

(And I hope I'm there to listen.... lol)

[SisterT]

I can't wait until the day that we can all sit around with Jesus and have this conversation...

(And I hope I'm there to listen.... lol)

Don't be surprise if he say, it's a pointless conversation, "cause I"m sovereign and I anoint whoever I want to anoint."   

Then he might follow up with, "Why ya'll tried to keep me in a box?" LOL! 

[LaylaMonroe]

Don't be surprise if he say, it's a pointless conversation, "cause I"m sovereign and I anoint whoever I want to anoint."   

Then he might follow up with, "Why ya'll tried to keep me in a box?" LOL! 

Yeah, that's exactly what I'm expecting to hear Him say.  Because I'm a thinker, I really find myself often guilty of trying to figure things out, and trying to figure God himself out... but there comes a time where you just gotta saddown and let God be God!  LOL!    It doesn't make a bit of sense to me that He sends rain on the just as well as the unjust, but you know what?  I'm glad He does, and I don't have to understand it!

[J31]

Well most of you who know me know I am not deep at all. However, I just do not think that the anointing of God is something that should be thrown around so easily and given or handed over. I do not recall in the word of God where He gave it so easily and called every GIFT anointed or an anointing.

I am not questioning her gift because I do believe it is a God given gift but I am also not just going to call screaming and hollering the anointing just because I heard some shout music or some folks cut a step on TV for a few minutes.

So it is all good and I can throw the jokes with the best of them but I would not take something so sovereign and so powerful as God's anointed and place it in or on vessels that are not honoring God.

I've always been one to think the anointing of God costs something and it is something you just don't get. And thoe who did have it had to keep themselves or they ran the risk of not only loosing it but bringing a curse to themselves.

BTJMB

[vtguy84]

So....if you're not doing Gospel music, there's no possible way to be anointed¿

[LaylaMonroe]

Well most of you who know me know I am not deep at all. However, I just do not think that the anointing of God is something that should be thrown around so easily and given or handed over. I do not recall in the word of God where He gave it so easily and called every GIFT anointed or an anointing.

I am not questioning her gift because I do believe it is a God given gift but I am also not just going to call screaming and hollering the anointing just because I heard some shout music or some folks cut a step on TV for a few minutes.

So it is all good and I can throw the jokes with the best of them but I would not take something so sovereign and so powerful as God's anointed and place it in or on vessels that are for honor of God.

I've always been one to think the anointing of God costs something and it is something you just don't get. And thoe who did have it had to keep themselves or they ran the risk of not only loosing it but bringing a curse to themselves.

BTJMB

The problem (I see) with your post, J31, is that it's fully logical. 

It makes perfect sense that the anointing shouldn't be easily given or handed over.  It makes perfect sense that something so powerful shouldn't be placed in an unworthy vessel.  It is completely logical that a woman who hasn't committed her life fully to Christ by using her gift to sing to His glory should not be anointed.

It's just that simple.  It's just that logical.  It's just that reasonable.

The problem is, God is not a God of logic.  His sovereignty authorizes Him to defy logic.  His ways aren't our ways, His thoughts aren't our thoughts.  There are some things we will never fully know or comprehend until His return (IMO).  He sends rain on the unjust as well as the just, and that's just not logical.  He allows the most unholy among us to receive favor and blessings.  He gives gifts to those who won't even use it for the purpose He intended.  Does any of that make any sense at all?

I can't say whether Fantasia is anointed or not.  And frankly, I don't think any of us can, with surety.  We can guess, we can reason, we can rationalize, but none of that means a hill of beans to our sovereign God.

(And by the way, as for the "cost" of anointing, let us not assume that Fantasia hasn't paid a price.  We just don't know.  We're making a lot of dangerous assumptions in this thread, and that troubles me a little bit).

[jdholliday]

The problem (I see) with your post, J31, is that it's fully logical. 

It makes perfect sense that the anointing shouldn't be easily given or handed over.  It makes perfect sense that something so powerful shouldn't be placed in an unworthy vessel.  It is completely logical that a woman who hasn't committed her life fully to Christ by using her gift to sing to His glory should not be anointed.

It's just that simple.  It's just that logical.  It's just that reasonable.

The problem is, God is not a God of logic.  His sovereignty authorizes Him to defy logic.  His ways aren't our ways, His thoughts aren't our thoughts.  There are some things we will never fully know or comprehend until His return (IMO).  He sends rain on the unjust as well as the just, and that's just not logical.  He allows the most unholy among us to receive favor and blessings.  He gives gifts to those who won't even use it for the purpose He intended.  Does any of that make any sense at all?

I can't say whether Fantasia is anointed or not.  And frankly, I don't think any of us can, with surety.  We can guess, we can reason, we can rationalize, but none of that means a hill of beans to our sovereign God.

(And by the way, as for the "cost" of anointing, let us not assume that Fantasia hasn't paid a price.  We just don't know.  We're making a lot of dangerous assumptions in this thread, and that troubles me a little bit).

Sis I like the way you think & make me think, but the only thing anyone can go by is the persons actions, in regards to thier yielding to God. We should not assume anything about her or anyone, for all we know she may cry every night because she is conflicted in her walk with God. I remember when I was in backsliden state & it was really torture for me because I knew I could & should have been doing better than I was. I like how J31 phrased it when the anointing would be poured on a person, I was in that state, now as I continue to yield my members I am walking in the rubbed area & Praise God it feels wonderful to live in your purpose.

[J31]

There is most often seen a type of anointing:

Poured - This is what often happens on Sunday - it evaporates, it is not a lasting anointingSmeared or Spread - this is the type of anointing most referenced in the bible primarily in instances of healing etc..
Rubbed - This is the Ultimate anointing it has to do with  a "saturation" or highly concentrated resevoir. It is not just the presence of God over a person( possible what occured with Fantasia) or an audience ( Sunday when you feel the Spirit move in a place and then as quickly as it comes, it can leave) but, it is in you and abides in you.

This ultimate anointing is what I am speaking of when I said Fantasia, the person, is not anointed because this anointing can not and would not abide in her.


Now it is possible, that because God is God, he would not have flesh to glory in his sight nor would he allow the enemy to shine. It is possible that the anointing could overtake her in that situation but that is not of her own nor is it a result of her persuit of the anointing as she ministered( note I am sure her mindset was not to minister but to simply perform . So rather than sacrafice the people of God to be confused by this fruitless act, The Holy Ghost overtook the atmosphere.

BTJM

 

Maybe this wil help: ( not trying to be deep however if you only note 1 scripture it appears that one is basing everything they say on that 1 scripture)

The Bible warns us 'not to be ignorant' about spiritual matters.  The Apostle Paul observes that many people don't like to retain God in their knowledge (Romans 1:28) lest their amoral lifestyle be cramped. Some forms of knowledge can make us arrogant (1Corinthians 8:1) and deceive us into thinking that we do not need to live in a right relationship with God (2Corinthians 10:5).

"But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and all of you KNOW (oidate) the truth." (1John 2:20 NIV).

We do not know all things, but we have a personal relationship with the One who does. The Christian believer is told that one of their birthrights is an anointing; the indwelling Spirit who connects us with Christ Himself, the Anointed One, in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge (Colossians 2:3).

An 'anointing' in the Bible, always followed an 'appointing'. Kings and priests were appointed and anointed for service. God appoints men and women for various functions and responsibilities today. The anointing speaks of the presence and power of God permeating our being for the fulfillment of those ordained tasks. Each member of the body of Christ, the Anointed One, will receive a supply of the Spirit for authorized ministry.


The maintenance of the anointing is conditional upon our remaining in Christ

"Now it is God who makes both us and you stand firm in Christ. He ANOINTED us, set his seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come." (2Corinthians 1:21-22 NIV).

As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as His anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit--just as it has taught you, remain in him." (1John 2:27 NIV).

LTWS ( Let The Word Speak)

[J31]

For the Bible scholars - I also understand that the anointing is not a BIG deal. Paul addresses the Corinthian Church in 1Cor chap. 1 as well as chapter 13 of the same book. he does clearly warn the people of God of allowing the gifts and anointing to become the barometer for christian character.

In a nutshell Paul simply tells us this, I do not care how gifted and anointed you are, if what you do is not moving out of the heart of God the Father as revealed in His love for the Body of Christ Jesus, then all of your gifting and anointing is of no real and lasting Kingdom Value and significance.

[themidiroom]

  We're making a lot of dangerous assumptions in this thread, and that troubles me a little bit).

Who's we?     I said early on that it's not for us to say if she's anointed or not.

[J31]

Who's we?     I said early on that it's not for us to say if she's anointed or not.

Psst. Midi.............











We is a safe way to make a statement without causing any one person to feel called out.

[under13]

Psst. Midi.............


We is a safe way to make a statement without causing any one person to feel called out.

It's hard making some statements, thats why I try to avoid the term "you"; people take stuff to personal.