Gospel Music: Good Music; Bad Theology?

[changedman]

Well I for one am GLAD God didn't give me exactly what I wanted when I asked for it.

Having $1 million at the age of 16 would have been a TRAVESTY!  I guarantee you as clothes-crazy as I was back then, I would have had a fresh wardrobe and been broke in less than 30 days!

[Redy2bUsed]

Well I for one am GLAD God didn't give me exactly what I wanted when I asked for it.

Having $1 million at the age of 16 would have been a TRAVESTY!  I guarantee you as clothes-crazy as I was back then, I would have had a fresh wardrobe and been broke in less than 30 days!

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!

Word fam....Word.

[Fingers!]

I believe that the more we walk on faith "in the correct manner" the more we place ourselves into the presence of God.  And in His presence, we would start to act like Him.  In that moment our wishes would start to line up with His will.  (I actually think that's what was meant by the phrase, giving us the desires of our heart which, to me, says "steering" our desires, not just "meeting" or "satisfying" our desires.  Then we would start asking for those things that He already have for us.  He's not a Genie-in-a-bottle). 
Still, that doesn't mean we will get it, unless it's His will.  I think that's ONE of the reasons why the "Jesus and the Cup" incident is in the Bible.  Also, Paul didn't get that thorn taken away, and he wished it to be gone.

[funkStrat_97]

As far as the "I command every..." statement that was made earlier, I believe that falls under whatsoever you bind on Earth, will be bound in heaven and whatsoever ye loose on Earth, will be loosed in heaven. Again, that's something alot of people apply to their christian walk.

Power and death lies in the power of the tongue!

But does it work?  If you bind sickness in your life and then catch a cold the next day; then what?  Did you lack to neccessary amount of faith required to overcome sickness?  All we can do is to pray and trust God; we can not control reality via the power of words infused with faith. 

[nessalynn77]

But does it work?  If you bind sickness in your life and then catch a cold the next day; then what?  Did you lack to neccessary amount of faith required to overcome sickness?  All we can do is to pray and trust God; we can not control reality via the power of words infused with faith. 

So does that make that scripture untrue?

[funkStrat_97]

So does that make that scripture untrue?

No, the Word of God is ture....the inerpretation, however, is where the issue lies.

[gtrdave]

So does that make that scripture untrue?

I think it makes our understanding of the Scripture incorrect and I think many people believe that we have the power to pull God's strings as if He were a puppet.

[J31]

I command every marriage to work out  or I command every situation that keeps you out of the will of God to bow down and other similar sayings.  The idea is that by faith, you have to power to make things work out by speaking it.  Of course, we know this is not true.  Look at how many Christian marriages have NOT worked out despite someone's command that EVERY marriage must work out.  And there are other sayings that are inspired by Word-of-Faith teachings where the idea is that fait is a force that can be controlled by our words.  This is bad theology and if music is being used as tool to spread bad theology, then it's doing a dis-service to the Body of Christ.  Word-of-Faith teaching may make people feel good, but it also gives false hope that things will work out to our satisfaction and that we can get anything we want just because we have faith and are willing to speak that faith into existance.  God NEVER promised us that our will would be done.

I'm late but I am still stuck right here?? what bible do you have that says other wise???

[nessalynn77]

I'm late but I am still stuck right here?? what bible do you have that says other wise???

LOL!  I think context is everything.  The bible clearly states in many places that we can ask in faith and received what we ask.  That's why I'm trying to drill down on whether some just don't believe this at all, or whether we all agree that there are requirements that go along with this asking in faith business.

[J31]

But does it work?  If you bind sickness in your life and then catch a cold the next day; then what?  Did you lack to neccessary amount of faith required to overcome sickness?  All we can do is to pray and trust God; we can not control reality via the power of words infused with faith. 

Umm I feel a shadracch, meshacc abd Abendigo moment ( if i spelled their names correct)

" I believe they said even if GOD doesn't, I still know he is able"

[J31]

LOL!  I think context is everything.  The bible clearly states in many places that we can ask in faith and received what we ask.  That's why I'm trying to drill down on whether some just don't believe this at all, or whether we all agree that there are requirements that go along with this asking in faith business.

Yes God has never seperated the life you live from the words you speak bith have to be in union for the manifestation of the supernatural into the natural.

BTJMB

[changedman]

Umm I feel a shadracch, meshacc abd Abendigo moment ( if i spelled their names correct)

" I believe they said even if GOD doesn't, I still know he is able"

no....


it's "a-bad-negro"...didn't madea teach you anything?  geesh!

[sjonathan02]

LOL!  I think context is everything.  The bible clearly states in many places that we can ask in faith and received what we ask.  That's why I'm trying to drill down on whether some just don't believe this at all, or whether we all agree that there are requirements that go along with this asking in faith business.

I'd like to think that for the most part, we all agree with your portion in bold. At the same time, God IS God; and He can what He wants to, how He wants to. I like to call those times.....miraculous. 


For example, I'll be transparent for a moment, when I was a younger man, not even thankin' (int.) 'bout God, I was in this Mexican bar. I was spittin' game to the lovely bartender.

There was this old dude, sitting to my left, just as drunk as he wanna be. He was speaking to me, in Spanish (which, I DON'T speak). I'd smile and nod, and mention it to the lovely bartender.

Well, at some point, for some reason I STILL don't know, ol' boy pulls out a gun. That's right, a gun. It's under the bar pointing directly at me. I look at dude, then turn my head to the lovely bartender and share the news with her.

I say, "I don't know what I did or said to ol' boy over here, but he's got a gun pointed at me. Let him I'm sorry for whatever I said or did and to put that thing away." I'm, amazingly, calm about the whole thing. While I'm telling her the news, I'm thinking/prayin' in my head, "Lord, don't let this man shoot me and kill me in this bar just cause I'm tryin' to hit it."

To make a long story short, he put the gun away. I thanked my "angel" (the lovely bartender) and went H O M E. 

Now, did I meet all the 'requirements' one needs to have according to Scripture to have faith or did God intervene on my behalf?

I leave that for ya'll to decide. Sorry, about the most Herman-like post, BTW.

[malthumb]

I'd like to think that for the most part, we all agree with your portion in bold. At the same time, God IS God; and He can what He wants to, how He wants to. I like to call those times.....miraculous. 


For example, I'll be transparent for a moment, when I was a younger man, not even thankin' (int.) 'bout God, I was in this Mexican bar. I was spittin' game to the lovely bartender.

There was this old dude, sitting to my left, just as drunk as he wanna be. He was speaking to me, in Spanish (which, I DON'T speak). I'd smile and nod, and mention it to the lovely bartender.

Well, at some point, for some reason I STILL don't know, ol' boy pulls out a gun. That's right, a gun. It's under the bar pointing directly at me. I look at dude, then turn my head to the lovely bartender and share the news with her.

I say, "I don't know what I did or said to ol' boy over here, but he's got a gun pointed at me. Let him I'm sorry for whatever I said or did and to put that thing away." I'm, amazingly, calm about the whole thing. While I'm telling her the news, I'm thinking/prayin' in my head, "Lord, don't let this man shoot me and kill me in this bar just cause I'm tryin' to hit it."

To make a long story short, he put the gun away. I thanked my "angel" (the lovely bartender) and went H O M E. 

Now, did I meet all the 'requirements' one needs to have according to Scripture to have faith or did God intervene on my behalf?

I leave that for ya'll to decide. Sorry, about the most Herman-like post, BTW.

Actually, I'm thinkin' that that was the world playin' with you, not God acting.  The guy could have been telling you (in Spanish) "Excuse me sir, that's my daughter you're talking to".  And your "angel" could have let you off the hook by tellin' daddy, "don't kill him, I'm just playin'"  I'm just sayin', ya know?

But your larger point is still very valid.  God is God and he is knowledgeable not just of what we ask for, but more importantly what we N E E D whether we know it or not.  All the claiming in the world is not going to change that.  Apparently, one night in a Mexican bar, he knew you needed some humblin', whether you knew it or not 

Peace,

James

[changedman]

BEING A WRITER OF DRAMA, I WAS THINKING THE SAME THING...THAT WAS THE ANGEL'S DADDY!

WOW!

Thanks for the inspiration for the new play, bruh!!!

[sjonathan02]

Actually, I'm thinkin' that that was the world playin' with you, not God acting.  The guy could have been telling you (in Spanish) "Excuse me sir, that's my daughter you're talking to".  And your "angel" could have let you off the hook by tellin' daddy, "don't kill him, I'm just playin'"  I'm just sayin', ya know?

But your larger point is still very valid.  God is God and he is knowledgeable not just of what we ask for, but more importantly what we N E E D whether we know it or not.  All the claiming in the world is not going to change that.  Apparently, one night in a Mexican bar, he knew you needed some humblin', whether you knew it or not 

Peace,

James

IRT the small print: 


As for it being her Dad, anything's possible.

[funkStrat_97]

I think that there is some confusion between asking in faith and effectively bossing God around based on YOUR fatih.  Word of Faith doesn't merely teach that you should ask in faith (which the Bible clearley tells us to do), but takes it way out of context by suggesting that our faith is a force.  This force of faith can be manipulated by our words and by having enough faith we can control reality (it's not much different than "The Secret").  The God of the Bible is sovereign, but the God of Word-of-Faith is little more than a galactic puppet.

[Fingers!]

This force of faith can be manipulated by our words and by having enough faith we can control reality (it's not much different than "The Secret"). 

What's "The Secret"?

[changedman]

I think I'm just gonna sit back and let GOD tell ME what to do.  If I start telling HIM and blaming it on FAITH, something ain't gonna come out right somewhere!  LOL!

[funkStrat_97]

What's "The Secret"?

"The Secret" is the title of a book that refers to "the law of attraction".  On the surface, at least, it does seem to have some things in common with what the Word-of-Faith doctrine teaches, but it makes no pretense of being "Christian" in any way, shape, or form.