Secular music in gospel........

[THE WOLFMAN]

It's like saying there's no difference between playing instrumental Rock music and instrumental Gospel music.


On top of that, depending on how the 'secular' progression is played will determine how I internalize a song.

For example, when they tried to to 'gospelize' that Maxwell (I think it was Maxwell) song, "Love", I was like, are ya'll serious?

Musiq Soulchild.


(not that I kno, uh....cuz yall kno i donts lissen to...uh.....someone tole me bout it......uh......I was watchin BET......uh....on Sunday, yeah.....uh....."

[under13]

It's like saying there's no difference between playing instrumental Rock music and instrumental Gospel music.


On top of that, depending on how the 'secular' progression is played will determine how I internalize a song.

For example, when they tried to to 'gospelize' that Maxwell (I think it was Maxwell) song, "Love", I was like, are ya'll serious?

That was Musiq. I thought you were up on your neo soul.

But the song did make more sense with the word 'Lord'

[kdiddy]

It was Musiq Soulchild's "Love" and yes that was corny  i dont understand what you mean by secular progression? Isn't a progression a progression? Please ellaborate more

It's like saying there's no difference between playing instrumental Rock music and instrumental Gospel music.


On top of that, depending on how the 'secular' progression is played will determine how I internalize a song.

For example, when they tried to to 'gospelize' that Maxwell (I think it was Maxwell) song, "Love", I was like, are ya'll serious?

[kdiddy]

Simply, NO

Not that simple. Please ellaborate  LOL

[TheBigO30]

the same song and dance, I use some chords for a song from the The Best Man sound track and it was nice but when i played Can You Feel It by The Jackson 5. I was sitting in my pastor office, and this is sad on youth sunday some of the older saint stay home because they don't what to hear gospel hip-hop.

I hear a pastor a the devil is in the church 
because when God created Satan made him the headmusician. Now gospel artist are using secular music the world created to so call reach the youth. 
he said the beat and music of the songs always put you in not the lyrics. 
because if it was all about the lyrics, what the first thing musician work so hard on when creating new song. it the beats and music, the lyrics are last.
but he said this that puzzle me
can you mix water with oil, NO
well that what some musicians and artist try to do.

Now here the Catch he's a pro-level musicain that anything and everything he can play the hip-hop, old skool, R&B, jazz, classic and  yes gospel, he be playing 40++++.

 

but the funny thing is the he call Kirk franklin the P.daddy of gospel

[THE WOLFMAN]

the same song and dance, I use some chords for a song from the The Best Man sound track and it was nice but when i played Can You Feel It by The Jackson 5. I was sitting in my pastor office, and this is sad on youth sunday some of the older saint stay home because they don't what to hear gospel hip-hop.

I hear a pastor a the devil is in the church 
because when God created Satan made him the headmusician. Now gospel artist are using secular music the world created to so call reach the youth. 
he said the beat and music of the songs always put you in not the lyrics. 
because if it was all about the lyrics, what the first thing musician work so hard on when creating new song. it the beats and music, the lyrics are last.
but he said this that puzzle me
can you mix water with oil, NO
well that what some musicians and artist try to do.

Now here the Catch he's a pro-level musicain that anything and everything he can play the hip-hop, old skool, R&B, jazz, classic and  yes gospel, he be playing 40++++.

 

but the funny thing is the he call Kirk franklin the P.daddy of gospel

~~~~BAMF~~~~~~
*peeks head in*
God didnt create Satan. He Created Lucifer.

Lucifer chose to become Satan.


~~~~~BAMF~~~~~

[Brittsings87]

 Interesting subject, yet a bit touchy for me! Has anyone ever heard of G. Craig Lewis?   


http://exministries.com/

[TheBigO30]

~~~~BAMF~~~~~~
*peeks head in*
God didnt create Satan. He Created Lucifer.

Lucifer chose to become Satan.


~~~~~BAMF~~~~~

he has alot of names in the bible but i can go thought all of them if you like

[sjonathan02]

That was Musiq. I thought you were up on your neo soul.

But the song did make more sense with the word 'Lord'

a. You thought? A novel idea.

b. You "thought" wrong.

[T-Block]

It's like saying there's no difference between playing instrumental Rock music and instrumental Gospel music.


On top of that, depending on how the 'secular' progression is played will determine how I internalize a song.

Honestly, I still see no difference.  I mean how would u know it's a rock instrumental?  Because it says so.  If there was no sign that said instrumental for such & such song, u could speculate, but u wouldn't really know unless u talked to the composer. 

I'm glad u brought up the point about interpretation,  people interpret things differently.  So, while the original composer may say "this is gospel", when u hear it u may think "R&B" or "Rock" or whatever.

I see what u saying though, we can agree to disagree.  It's cool boss, LOL.

[THE WOLFMAN]

he has alot of names in the bible but i can go thought all of them if you like

~~~LGM DISCLAIMER~~~~ dese thoughtses are my ownses......

I'm hip ta dem names too, my point being, he didnt "create", "Beelzebub, Lord of the flies", :The Accuser", "that old serpent" "The Devil", etc.

He "created" Lucifer. Once Lucifer got the big head and rebelled, then he became all dem other things.

[musallio]

This is not true.  Gospel can be old school or contemporary.  It all depends on how u play the chords.  I know what u trying to say man, but not all gospel music is boring w/out influences from other styles. 

To be honest, I believe every genre of music is influenced by every other genre in some way or fashion.  That's where that playing with classical feel or R&B feel comes into play.  The lyrics to the song is what makes it gospel or what not, but the music is pretty much genre-less.

I AGREE

I've been listening to various types of music genres (besides gospel) with the aim of creating gospel music using those sounds..

I must say that I'm still very amazed at the power of the voice tone & lyrics...

I was listen to a latino inspirational song& just using the sounds there, I sang in a Pavarotti tenor, adding gospel lyrics & everything merged in perfectly together...So my dream so far, is to gather so,e people & instead of playing the songs we always hear, come up with something of our own, just like how 1 can immediately tell that this is a Richard Smallwood piece...

Look at R Kelly as well, how he just uses gospel lyrics in music we assciate with R&B & all of a sudden it's classified & sounds gospel
Most hyms are classical in nature..
How can you tell neosoul music is gospel?? --by the lyrics

My point:

for most genres of music, I think musicians have learnt that it's really is the voice & lyrics (most often than not), that will determine the classification of a song.
Chord progressions alone are open to vast interpretations.

[THE WOLFMAN]

we have a better chance of understanding the end of "2001: A Space Oddessey" than reaching a consensus on this topic.

(hopefully someone else BESIDES B3WannaBe will get that.)

[musallio]

we have a better chance of understanding the end of "2001: A Space Oddessey" than reaching a consensus on this topic.

(hopefully someone else BESIDES B3WannaBe will get that.)

 

[Salvador]

because when God created Satan made him the headmusician.

That's one of the biggest biblical misnomers out there.
There's only ONE scripture and ONLY translation that after some stretching you could MAYBE imply that.
Ezekiel 28:13:
13Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created."

No other translations mentions "pipes" and "tabrets" (tambourine). And anyone has who's done some studying on the bible from a critical stand point knows the KJV takes some liberties and adds sometimes where it shouldn't.

And even if Satin had anything to do with music...so what? You think they've stopped praising God in heaven because Satin was kicked out.

Here's what gets me about this subject. I can play Fur Elise and nobody would be offended...even though AT BEST Beethoven was a pantheist and womanizer.
I don't understand how that's different than playing Stevie Wonder.

[chrisrob21]

just to let yall kno about musiq soulchild the song was suppose to be lord he wrote as lord but he changed it when he gotta deal they didnt want they song to be called lord listen to the words of the song its suppose to be lord. i think as a musician u gotta listen to all types of music not the lyrics but the music to become better and have new ideas and stuff

[musallio]

Here's what gets me about this subject. I can play Fur Elise and nobody would be offended...even though AT BEST Beethoven was a pantheist and womanizer.
I don't understand how that's different than playing Stevie Wonder.

mhhhh ...interesting observation there

[THE WOLFMAN]

[sjonathan02]

we have a better chance of understanding the end of "2001: A Space Oddessey" than reaching a consensus on this topic.

(hopefully someone else BESIDES B3WannaBe will get that.)

I guess one would have to have actually seen the movie, right?

[sjonathan02]

Here's what gets me about this subject. I can play Fur Elise and nobody would be offended...even though AT BEST Beethoven was a pantheist and womanizer.
I don't understand how that's different than playing Stevie Wonder.

We are not even discussing the character of the composer of these types of songs. That's not the issue, at least, not to me.