Secular music in gospel........

[ferrente]

Thats a personal decision. If you feel guilty listening to secular music, then dont listen to it.

I will Love My Gospel music!!! (That' enough for Me)

[T-Block]

we have a better chance of understanding the end of "2001: A Space Oddessey" than reaching a consensus on this topic.

(hopefully someone else BESIDES B3WannaBe will get that.)

So then, why are u still participating?  If it's a dead end topic to u, just stop commenting.  There are a lot of topics that a concensus will never be reached, does that stop people from bringing it up every now and then?  NO!!! 

[sjonathan02]

So then, why are u still participating?  If it's a dead end topic to u, just stop commenting.  There are a lot of topics that a concensus will never be reached, does that stop people from bringing it up every now and then?  NO!!! 

A bit harsh, no? And, he has a valid point.

[T-Block]

A bit harsh, no? And, he has a valid point.

Maybe, but it just irks me when people do that.  If u don't wanna participate, then don't.  The people here wanna talk about it, so let us talk in peace.

Maybe i'm just having a bad day today.  Pray for me.

[sjonathan02]

Maybe, but it just irks me when people do that.  If u don't wanna participate, then don't.  The people here wanna talk about it, so let us talk in peace.

Maybe i'm just having a bad day today.  Pray for me.

Lord, move on behalf of your son, T-Block. Remove any cloud of negativity that may be above or around him. Grant him peace this, and every, day. In Jesus' name I pray. Amen.

Feel better, dude; it IS Friday.

[fmason3]

Yup, the dudes who listen to only listen to gospel, usually sound pretty boring

Then I guess I must sound pretty boring...LOL

[THE WOLFMAN]

So then, why are u still participating?  If it's a dead end topic to u, just stop commenting.  There are a lot of topics that a concensus will never be reached, does that stop people from bringing it up every now and then?  NO!!! 

Hey i just saw another opportunity to post a pic. that's what i do.





p.s.:
yo momma.

[under13]

Then I guess I must sound pretty boring...LOL

Dont you listen to classical?

Maybe I shouldnt have put it like that, But gospel music is so diverse now, that you might not have to listen to secular music, to play with an RnB or other secular style.

One of the things I like About your style is the classical influences, So you are not what I meant when I mentioned people who only listen to gospel.

btw your classical organ clips on youtube were pretty good. I got some kinda classical stuff up, so check em out http://www.youtube.com/user/beamn318
 

[themidiroom]

Lord, move on behalf of your son, T-Block. Remove any cloud of negativity that may be above or around him. Grant him peace this, and every, day. In Jesus' name I pray. Amen.

Feel better, dude; it IS Friday.

Nice prayer Sjon.  T-Block, it's going to be alright.  Sometimes you have to cut your loses and not debate with folks.  It is what it is.

[sjonathan02]

Nice prayer Sjon.  T-Block, it's going to be alright.  Sometimes you have to cut your loses and not debate with folks.  It is what it is.

Thanks; and agreed, but with a caveat. Wolfie wasn't saying that this shouldn't be discussed, per se, but rather that this type of discussion, at the end of the day, proves fruitless because folks are going to do what they want, regardless. That includes listening to, as well as, playing Gospel music in it's many and varied styles.

Wolfie was just doin' like I do most times, tryin' to cut up in a thread. That's it.

[littlelamb]

Totally 100% don't see anything wrong with studying secular music if it's clean and if there's no words then you be the judge.

I think we got it all backwards. There was a time when 99.9% of black people went to church on the regular or at least had been to church. Then they left the church to play secular music and took the style with them. So I think there's a crossover when gospel musicians leave church to go play secular music. Stevie Wonder probably grew up in church. So secular musicians jacked their style from church. We act like stuff isn't cool unless we go get it from the world and then bring it back to church. We are the salt of the earth and we need to stop acting like we depend on the world for innovation. We should be 10 times as creative and innovative as secular musicians. Really, they took the music out of the church and WE WANT IT BACK!!!

I don't think there's such a thing as a worldly progression. That's like saying money is evil. Money can't be evil because it's an inanimate object. Something that is inanimate is only evil in the hands of the user. So, when it comes to playing music I think it's the vessel who is playing that matters. You can't tell me that some of those great composers like Beethoven, Stravinsky, Mahler, Rachmaninoff ... weren't inspired by God. They may not have acknowledged it but some of that stuff is heavenly. BTW listen to The Rite of Spring by Stravinsky. TIGHT!!!

I also think that it's questionable if you should be using certain riffs at church. If something is so obvious that people get out of the spirit and start walking it out then maybe you shouldn't use it. And what's your motive? as some said before.

[under13]

Totally 100% don't see anything wrong with studying secular music if it's clean and if there's no words then you be the judge.

I think we got it all backwards. There was a time when 99.9% of black people went to church on the regular or at least had been to church. Then they left the church to play secular music and took the style with them. So I think there's a crossover when gospel musicians leave church to go play secular music. Stevie Wonder probably grew up in church. So secular musicians jacked their style from church. We act like stuff isn't cool unless we go get it from the world and then bring it back to church. We are the salt of the earth and we need to stop acting like we depend on the world for innovation. We should be 10 times as creative and innovative as secular musicians. Really, they took the music out of the church and WE WANT IT BACK!!!

If the churches paid well enough, then many secular artist would not have even started playing in clubs or in the "world".

You are right, many of the greatest RnB/Jazz artist come from church. The Isley Brothers, BB King, Chreisette Michelle, Jimmy Smith and the list goes on.

[littlelamb]

If the churches paid well enough, then many secular artist would not have even started playing in clubs or in the "world".

You are right, many of the greatest RnB/Jazz artist come from church. The Isley Brothers, BB King, Chreisette Michelle, Jimmy Smith and the list goes on.

I think that's a cop out. I don't think musicians leave church to go play in the world because it pays more. I think they leave because that lifestyle entices them. They like smokin weed, groupies, staying out all night, being on the road cheatin on their ol lady, they like that praise they get from the fans, etc. I work with jazz musicians, that's my job. They don't make that much. Half the time they're broke. They do it for the love of the music. If they do it for the love of the music then church musicians can too. There are Christian "rock stars" in a sense but really if you're a star in the eyes of the church you have to be really careful to keep pointing people back to God.

That said, I do think most churches are cheap. If they pay it isn't much. My Dad was a music minister and he had to get a 2nd job so we could eat. I don't think the church values musical gifts enough to compensate accordingly.

[themidiroom]

If the churches paid well enough, then many secular artist would not have even started playing in clubs or in the "world".

You are right, many of the greatest RnB/Jazz artist come from church. The Isley Brothers, BB King, Chreisette Michelle, Jimmy Smith and the list goes on.

I play in places outside of church because I love to play and I also like to be musically well rounded.  I don't really care for night clubs but that's where people who want to hear live music are.  When the gig is over, I go home.

[under13]

I play in places outside of church because I love to play and I also like to be musically well rounded.  I don't really care for night clubs but that's where people who want to hear live music are.  When the gig is over, I go home.

What and where do you play (if you dont mind me asking). I would consider doing secular gigs, when I'm good enough, as I love RnB. But just because, we do the gigs, doesnt mean we have to drink, smoke and make whoopie with the groupies. When you are done with your set, you can pack up and leave.

And I'm not in this for the money. Cuz its not that great (yet). You really gotta hustle to make money as a musician.

[fmason3]

Dont you listen to classical?

Maybe I shouldnt have put it like that, But gospel music is so diverse now, that you might not have to listen to secular music, to play with an RnB or other secular style.

One of the things I like About your style is the classical influences, So you are not what I meant when I mentioned people who only listen to gospel.

btw your classical organ clips on youtube were pretty good. I got some kinda classical stuff up, so check em out http://www.youtube.com/user/beamn318
 

Hey I was just messin with you...lol...but thanks for the compliments.  I don't do too much actual listening to classical music these days.  But my father is a classical organist (he would EAT that organ in your profile picture...I'm talking serious monsterage) and he always directed/accompanied an anthem choir and I was into classical piano from ages 10-17 (I'm 24 now).  So the classical influence is there...I guess...not as much as I'd like it to be but I need to practice.  I'll check out your organ clips when I get home.  I can't get on youtube at work anymore...HATERS

Gospel music is very diverse now.  I don't feel like I need to travel outside of gospel music to be well-rounded.  My father always tells people I am one of the most well-rounded musicians he knows (and that negro is a beast). 

You have traditional gospel.  I used to love "whoever" was playing the keys on Carlton Pearson's Azusa 3 and a lot of Norman Hutchins' stuff...and I say "whoever" because I didn't know it was Jason White at the time...but it's very churchy.

Then you have contemporary...and you can listen to people like Tye, etc...

I like Kevin Bond, Jason White, and Michael Bereal because they're great at the traditional and contemporary sounds.

Then you have the contemporary/CCM sound ie: the Israel Houghton/Aaron Lindsey sound

Then you have the total CCM side of it.  Don Moen and Twila Paris and the list goes on...and I LOVE their style as well.  I'm working on my CCM feel so that it sounds like real CCM...not negro-ized CCM...

Then you have white country gospel and all that other stuff...

Then there are anthems, spirituals, and choral music....which goes along the classical lines

...and you have the Richard Smallwood/Darin Atwater/Tony Walker/Steven Ford camp that produces some of the best classical-gospel if you will....and don't forget about Dr. Henry Panion that did "Gospel Goes Classical"

It's my PERSONAL OPINION that I can be a well-rounded music by only studying music from/by artist who have exercised their gifts and written their music to the glory and honor of God.

I don't have to go to Damascus and copy something worldly (2 Kings 16:1-11)

[under13]

Hey I was just messin with you...lol...but thanks for the compliments.  I don't do too much actual listening to classical music these days.  But my father is a classical organist (he would EAT that organ in your profile picture...I'm talking serious monsterage) and he always directed/accompanied an anthem choir and I was into classical piano from ages 10-17 (I'm 24 now).  So the classical influence is there...I guess...not as much as I'd like it to be but I need to practice.  I'll check out your organ clips when I get home.  I can't get on youtube at work anymore...HATERS

I used to be kinda into classical organ. But I put it on the back burner when I discovered the Hammond B3.
But now I'm Gonna make an effort to start reading music again and I'll Probaly do a whole bunch of Classical Style hymn clips. I'm just trying to be as diverse as possible.

Sorry you cant watch youtube at work, the people on my job were pissed when we started blocking youtube and all other streaming sites (but I still get them)

All my clips are from 'memory' so hen I learn them corectly I will re-record them. You gotta get some clips of your Pops

[fmason3]

I used to be kinda into classical organ. But I put it on the back burner when I discovered the Hammond B3.
But now I'm Gonna make an effort to start reading music again and I'll Probaly do a whole bunch of Classical Style hymn clips. I'm just trying to be as diverse as possible.

Sorry you cant watch youtube at work, the people on my job were pissed when we started blocking youtube and all other streaming sites (but I still get them)

All my clips are from 'memory' so hen I learn them corectly I will re-record them. You gotta get some clips of your Pops

I have some of him but it was when he was messing around and of course the professional/perfectionist that he is, he doesn't any clips going up if they aren't flawless.  I'll have some up soon though.

[themidiroom]

What and where do you play (if you dont mind me asking). I would consider doing secular gigs, when I'm good enough, as I love RnB. But just because, we do the gigs, doesnt mean we have to drink, smoke and make whoopie with the groupies. When you are done with your set, you can pack up and leave.

I've played a little bit of everywhere.  Hotel gigs, did the casino once, private parties, bars, pubs, college student functions, banquets, etc.  I will attempt to play anything.  R&B, jazz, smooth jazz, pop, blues, reggae, rock, soul.  I do it mostly to keep my chops together and it's good side money and an opportunity for me to promote my studio.

[T-Block]

You can't tell me that some of those great composers like Beethoven, Stravinsky, Mahler, Rachmaninoff ... weren't inspired by God. They may not have acknowledged it but some of that stuff is heavenly. BTW listen to The Rite of Spring by Stravinsky. TIGHT!!!

AMEN, AMEN, and AMEN.  We heard a little of "Rite Of Spring" in class today.