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Re: How do you gel with other musicians?
« Reply #20 on: March 20, 2008, 07:26:52 PM »
Sometimes but that's just the basics of it. If you understand extended chords it will be easier to know what to play in the left and right hands.
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Re: How do you gel with other musicians?
« Reply #21 on: March 20, 2008, 07:27:58 PM »
oh ok. so your exstended chords are when you get in to the chord playing the 13 and 15th notes of that chord...
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Re: How do you gel with other musicians?
« Reply #22 on: March 20, 2008, 08:36:02 PM »
Yeah. It playing polychords. If you can keep the bass note in your head you will know what to play on which bass note.
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Re: How do you gel with other musicians?
« Reply #23 on: March 20, 2008, 09:19:43 PM »
oh ok... i am learning something new every day... Gosh i wish i would have keep up playing like 5 years ago... i would be playing like you guys by now... or enough to truly hold a service down by myself. BUT I AM COMING ALONG IN JESUS NAME
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Re: How do you gel with other musicians?
« Reply #24 on: March 20, 2008, 09:26:15 PM »
As long as Ive been playing I should be hanging with John Peters by now.  :D Playing by ear is good but if you can find a good teacher your alot better off. Someone teaching on the college level. Look what some colleges do to people in four years.
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Re: How do you gel with other musicians?
« Reply #25 on: March 21, 2008, 12:16:41 AM »
oh ok. so your exstended chords are when you get in to the chord playing the 13 and 15th notes of that chord...

Huh??  Um my scale only goes up to 12

Anyway, everyones comments are pretty helpful.  I will try to practice along with my cd's, then advance to midi's (eventually); and hope to advance some more and get the guitarist to practice w/me.

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Re: How do you gel with other musicians?
« Reply #26 on: March 21, 2008, 12:39:53 AM »
I think she was saying in general. lol I glanced over the 15th. lol But chords like 9, 11, and 13.
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Re: How do you gel with other musicians?
« Reply #27 on: March 21, 2008, 12:41:52 AM »
yea i was saying in general.. thanks mysteryman
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Re: How do you gel with other musicians?
« Reply #28 on: March 21, 2008, 01:50:37 AM »
I am new too and when I do play at church it is just me and the drmmer so I have to play bass lines however when I get ready to start fully playing (on Sunday's) there will be a very skilled bass player, an organ player and a drummer, as a beginner how do you play filler chords, or fully two hand chords. I know most worship songs (that I listen to) the keyboardist always leads..

     As a keyboardist, you can think of yourself as almost another drummer...The organist does pads (sustained chords, maybe some fills) but you can drive the rhythm. When you have a bass player, you can do the root of the chord up one octave with your left hand - that's how I started. What your RH does depends on the speed of the song - slow worship chorus arpeggios (chords one note at a time) are good, like a harp or finger-picking on the guitar. For faster songs, pounding block chords, like faster strums on the guitar.

So for example on a C (CEG) chord on a faster song...

Bass - (8th notes) C E F F#G A Bb B

Piano LH - C G C G (alternating root and 5th in quarter notes for a start. There's lots of different patterns)

Organ - depends on the player, can be a wall of sound, the real good ones attack with both hands and feet!

Piano RH - 3 or 4-note chords, in a rhythm more or less following/supporting the vocals (do NOT play the melody for them unless they absolutely NEED it). Hymns in mainline churches are a different story - but I played "Amazing Grace" tonight with a mild 9/8 feel and people knew the melody enough that I only played it for the intro. The real fun with chords come when you invert them/add color tones (those 6,7,9,11,13ths you hear about).
 
      There's lots of different styles, so this is only a starting point - eventually you'll build up enough skills to come up with ideas on your own...

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Re: How do you gel with other musicians?
« Reply #29 on: March 21, 2008, 06:25:36 AM »
What is padding?  How does one pad?

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Re: How do you gel with other musicians?
« Reply #31 on: March 21, 2008, 08:06:07 AM »
What is padding?  How does one pad?

It's when you play smooth chords as opposed to runs, riffs and choppy chords, It's good to use when you are playing with a full band like when you have a bass player, guitar and piano player. since it's thier job to play "percusive" you dont want to be on the organ playing choppy like u would on a piano because it will sound like a mess. Of course you can thow in a run and riff every now and then but  when playing with a band it's better to keep it simple. If you can do this, you will make everybody sound good

yea doc....
smooth chording no gaps between.... lush clusters all that stuff....no runs , no riffs, jus pad doc
when you have a full band you as organist dont want to be doing all this crazy stuff unless the song calls for that. padding would be playing the song very smoothly basically allowing the person on keys to open up

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Re: How do you gel with other musicians?
« Reply #32 on: March 21, 2008, 08:38:23 AM »
Huh??  Um my scale only goes up to 12

Well, u need to extend your scale a couple of numbers buddy, LOL.  Theoretically, it can go up to 14 (and beyond if u got 3 hands, LOL).

oh ok. so your exstended chords are when you get in to the chord playing the 13 and 15th notes of that chord...

LOL, at 15 you right back to where u started, LOL.  Extended chords are basically chords that require 2 hands to play them.  A general rule of thumb is anything 9 and above is usually an extended chord.  There are people with them large hands who can play a 9th chord one handed, we call them "beasts", LOL (j/k).
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Re: How do you gel with other musicians?
« Reply #33 on: March 21, 2008, 08:23:43 PM »
Well I understand padding a little better!

Well, u need to extend your scale a couple of numbers buddy, LOL.  Theoretically, it can go up to 14 (and beyond if u got 3 hands, LOL).

Actually, I remember you said that there are more scales than most people realize. But my personal (and most other ppl) only goes up to 12.  I know there is some wacky formula that i need to learn, but I am not there yet.  (e.g., 1-3-5-7-9-11 all have to be played as a part of the chord as you increase your scale degrees.  Something like that!).  I'm gonna need that third hand T!

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Re: How do you gel with other musicians?
« Reply #34 on: March 22, 2008, 09:20:33 PM »
Would you have an organ player and bass guitarist playing at the same time?  If so, do they both play bass--wouldn't that be a clash waiting to happen?

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Re: How do you gel with other musicians?
« Reply #35 on: March 22, 2008, 09:31:53 PM »
Would you have an organ player and bass guitarist playing at the same time?  If so, do they both play bass--wouldn't that be a clash waiting to happen?

No. The Organ player wuold not play bass, or pedals. I'ma try to upload a video that can explain this. give me a few minutes

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Re: How do you gel with other musicians?
« Reply #36 on: March 22, 2008, 10:01:00 PM »
here is a video on how to play w/o stepping all over the bass player. Sorry for the ghetto video quality

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Re: How do you gel with other musicians?
« Reply #37 on: March 23, 2008, 01:58:45 PM »
i play with a band that comes to my church, since my church don't really have a band. I get along with them too and i get better.
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